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b-rice 07-06-2004 10:06 PM

Elaphant?
 
I heard of people hunting them with a bow witch is cool but what do you do after you harvest it. I mean i have never heard of elephant steak of elephant jerky.

Fieldmouse 07-06-2004 10:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: b-rice

I heard of people hunting them with a bow witch is cool but what do you do after you harvest it. I mean i have never heard of elephant steak of elephant jerky.
I still have a pair of Elephant skin boots from when you could buy them.:)

The Mouse 07-06-2004 10:15 PM

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Elephant Recipe
Ingredients:

1 elephant
7 bushel carrots, chopped
7 bushel potatoes, chopped
7 bushel onions, chopped
Salt and pepper (to taste)
Brown gravy
2 rabbits (optional)
Dice elephant into small pieces. This should take about 2 months. Add enough brown gravy to cover. Season to taste. Cook over fire for 4 weeks. This will serve 3,800 people. If more are expected, add 2 rabbits, but only if necessary. Most people do not like to find a hare in their stew.

Sorry guys. I couldn't resist this old joke.

Antler Eater 07-06-2004 10:17 PM

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I'm told that the villagers in the area gladly take care of every scrap of meat that an elephant has.

I was intrigued with Chuck Adams viewpoint on hunting elephants with bows. His recommendation to the Zimbabwe government was that it shouldn't be allowed after his bad experience. He was using a 100 pound (draw weight) bow with a 830 grain arrow.

The Mouse 07-06-2004 10:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Antler Eater

I was intrigued with Chuck Adams viewpoint on hunting elephants with bows.
Is there an article or book that I could read about his experience?

c j 07-06-2004 11:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: The Mouse


ORIGINAL: Antler Eater

I was intrigued with Chuck Adams viewpoint on hunting elephants with bows.
Is there an article or book that I could read about his experience?
Life at Full Draw, by Gregg Gutschow. link I'm about 3/4 of the way through it. Chuck doesn't feel elephant should be taken by bow because it's essentially a crapshoot. There's no real way to tell where the ribs are, so it's all up to chance whether you can shoot between them. Most likely you'll hit one, and his 100lb bow with 800+ grain arrow couldn't penetrate an elephant's ribs. Chuck did a number of tests on the one they downed.

kelincp 07-07-2004 01:38 AM

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Its kinda of ironic that The Mouse is giving a elephant recipe.
I've always heard that the big eared ones were scared to death of Mice.
Great recipe tho, I will se about running it as as a feature tomorrow at the shop. I'm just not sure what to charge?

Straightarrow 07-07-2004 06:11 AM

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Most likely you'll hit one, and his 100lb bow with 800+ grain arrow couldn't penetrate an elephant's ribs. Chuck did a number of tests on the one they downed.
I have no personal experience in this, but I've heard from other "experts", that an 800 grain arrow is way too light to be going after elephants. I believe recommended draw weight is also higher. Like most things, there's a right way and a wrong way. No need to ban those who are capable of doing it the right way.

Antler Eater 07-07-2004 06:29 AM

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C J is correct.

According to what is printed, Adams feels that at best a person would only be successful on getting by the flat two inch thick ribs one out of every three times. Plus the vitals on African game are farther forward making the target harder to get to. The shot apparently was under twenty yards. He hit right where he was aiming and still hit to far back. He says shooting an elephant with a bow is a "stunt" and shouldn't be allowed.

Here is a quote from his book 'Life At Fulldraw' page 144, "....a strong two-thirds of the chest cavity is covered by ribs so thick, you couldn't shoot any arrow through those ribs...."

"...I can tell you that no matter what you read or what you hear, most of the elephants supposedly taken with a bow are not taken cleanly... Most them are finished off with a rifle."

Sidebar

Other than the two bladed Zwicky broadhead, the bow and the gear he was shooting has been mentioned above. To show you how technology has advanced, with that hundred pound setup, although close, he didn't get 90 ft. lbs of kinetic energy. Today we are pushing that number with a much lighter drawing bow. I am also surprised at how light his arrow was.

BOWFANATIC 07-07-2004 08:42 AM

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100lb bow and 800gn arrow not enough? C'mon

I dont care if you have a 200lb bow and a 1000gn arrow , if you hit an elephant in the rib you just pi$$ed him off!
I've read stories about the same problems faced by rifle hunters who had to put numerous shots in the kill zone due to an elephants humongous bone structure.

Antler Eater 07-07-2004 10:07 AM

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I wouldn't argue with that.

A flat two inch thick rib bone has a lot of stopping power! That isn't even taking into consideration what it has to go through before hitting the rib. One would have a hard time convincing me an arrow launched from any hand drawn bow would penetrate that.

Even so if someone put a gun to my head and forced me to shoot an elephant with a bow I would use a heavier arrow than 830 grains. [&:]

RTA47 07-07-2004 10:07 AM

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LOL-Great recipe MOUSE- I heard they tast like chicken;)

Deerslayer_37 07-07-2004 04:44 PM

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I think anyone wanting to take an elephant with a bow is nuts. I've got almost all of Peter capstick's books..the way he tells it, they have a hard enough time killing them with a rifle. its easy with a 150 yard shot across open ground. stalking in thick cover though...very hard..if old peter had a bowhunting client, he'd probably look at him, call him crazy and force him to use a rifle. PH's arent dumb guys..

slayer

bowhuntt 07-08-2004 09:06 AM

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I took an elephant in botswana with a 375. rifle and after seeing him on the ground and getting a good look at him i feel that if you shoot enough weight and a heavy arrow they can be killed. I also Believe Antler Eater was correct in saying that bows have come a very long way in the last few year and that one of todays bows is much faster and better the the bows of the 90s.

Stump_MN_Hunter 07-08-2004 09:34 AM

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An answer I'd like to know is.....would you use a mechanical broadhead or fixed?? Hmmm?


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