does your state require you to prove you can shoot
02-23-2002, 01:08 AM
#31
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Little Egg harbor NJ
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RE: does your state require you to prove you can shoot
No but sometimes I feel that they should. I was talking to this bowhunter this past year that told me that he missed 14 deer and is still waiting to connect. Maybe we should.
But not here in NJ.
brian
But not here in NJ.
brian
02-23-2002, 03:02 AM
#32
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Tornado Alley USA
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RE: does your state require you to prove you can shoot
I like the idea but I am not in favor of paying higher license fees to pay the employees that have to conduct these tests statewide for all the hunters and wannabe hunters.
02-23-2002, 08:10 AM
#33
Dominant Buck
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Location: Blossvale, New York
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RE: does your state require you to prove you can shoot
Yup, they call them "Deer Checking Stations".<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
02-23-2002, 08:51 AM
#34
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RE: does your state require you to prove you can shoot
Ok, one question. I bet nobody here supports more gun restrictions right, and with each new gun law it is said to be a small step toward taking away our guns. <font color=red>Having said that, I do not support another hunting restriction of which mandatory proficientcy testing amounts to.</font id=red>Does this sound far fetched? Down the road in a few yrs. anti-hunters or non hunters in a state legislature decide that bowhunters should be able to robin hood arrows at 20 yds. regularly!
Shooting at targets and shooting at live animals are two different things. I know a few regular 3D shooters who react differently in hunting situations. Education, guidance, and experience makes for good hunters. Not allowing more laws to dissuade those who want to hunt.
Shooting at targets and shooting at live animals are two different things. I know a few regular 3D shooters who react differently in hunting situations. Education, guidance, and experience makes for good hunters. Not allowing more laws to dissuade those who want to hunt.
02-23-2002, 09:31 AM
#35
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: does your state require you to prove you can shoot
I will not write a long response to the question, only that I feel it is totally absurd to require proficiency testing. I know of a few people who are great on a 3-d course but miss deer after deer every year. all we need is more regulations and big government. PLEASE!!<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>
02-23-2002, 11:19 AM
#36
Nontypical Buck
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RE: does your state require you to prove you can shoot
hey Nimrod. From another instructors standpoint, welcome to the Haul Road hunt and also the Fairbanks Managment area hunt. I have failed on avg 2-3 a shoot that do just that, you think people would learn! The class-shooting test isnt ment to fail, its ment to teach, if it takes more restrictions to police ourselves up, then so be it. I would rather it be hunters/outdoorsmen and women watching out for our image, then some yahoo peta fan trying to police ourselves up using ballot box initiaves....oh wait, that is about to come too.....by by black bear baits!
Jerry, WORD OF MOUTH LMAO!!!! Sorry dude we went round and round about it, thought you knew better! Oh well.....
Jerry, WORD OF MOUTH LMAO!!!! Sorry dude we went round and round about it, thought you knew better! Oh well.....
02-23-2002, 12:16 PM
#37
Dominant Buck
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RE: does your state require you to prove you can shoot
I used to teach IBEF Hunter Safety Classes. On the day of the shoot(broadheads at unknown distances..usually not beyond 28 yards) it always amazed me. We instructed and taught what we were looking for. We stressed we wanted to see your hunting rig and set up. First thing we did was inspect the bows. We had a couple we wouldn't let shoot because the equipment was unsafe (broken strands on string etc etc). Some would show up with inserts missing(not all just one or something). Then it amazed me how poorly some of the bows were tuned. You could look and see nocks 3/4 of an inch too high or low, feathers missing, rest broke ... all kinds of wierd stuff. And shooting, there was always someone how couldn't hit a deer at 10 or 15 yards because of tune, form, panic etc. We'd pull them aside, play with equipment and let the nervous jervous shoot alone when others were done. Sometimes it made all the difference. Maryland doesn't require Bowhunter Safety Courses... just the regular hunter safety to get a license. I would have no problem with it being mandatory if the keep the politicians and special interest groups out of it and let the certified instructors handle it. Our course is of course recognized world wide and we give it so people traveling to states requiring it can have it. A lot of our students came across the border from PA. We had a lot of father/son attendees.
02-23-2002, 12:45 PM
#38
Nontypical Buck
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Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
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RE: does your state require you to prove you can shoot
It is word of mouth from hunters. Some of them are so tied up in a single incident like the truck door being torn off by a trucker. I would almost bet that it WASN'T an accident from the truckers stand point! But, it is made to sound like it happens all the time. People shooting from on the road, is a proficiency exam going to help that problem? The only thing that will is enforcement. Put new laws in? The only thing that will do is create another law that the slobs will break. Who do you hurt by doing that? Hunters as a whole.
I've talked to the locals up here, I've talked to the truckers, I've talked to the interior wildlife protection officers out of Fairbanks, I've talked and polled several hunters that regularly use the Haul Road and from what I'm hearing, the incidents that are happening are few and far between, but of course you hear about them more than anything else up here. I think it isn't as massive of an issue as some people make it sound, but some folks either feel so passionate towards it, or have their own agendas, that they feel they need to give up hunting real estate, throw in new laws, make new proficiency exams, and so on, opening new doors for anti's or the government to put new restrictions on us. What's next, will we have an "authorized" IBEP instructor ****** us on hunts?
You can sit around and LYAO, think that I know what you feel I should know, but in my opinion, I think the public in the publics eye that you so mentioned before is other hunters that complain about the unethical yet legal acts of other hunters.
We have come up with alternative ideas for cleaning up slobs not only on the Haul Road, but throughout the state. Just as Wahya said,
"Should we find a way to regulate it ourselves by using bowhunters to police other bowhunters?"
I think that is a lot better step towards cleaning up our supposidly scarred image internally, rather than put new restrictions on us.
Prove to me that it isn't word of mouth. AK Nimrod has spent a good amount of time on the road and has only witnessed one or two illegal acts, I've been on the road nearly 130+ days in the last two years and have seen one illegal act, I could go on. The wardens say there were 2 or 3 violations handed out last season on the Haul Road. Where's the proof that it is not word of mouth?
I've talked to the locals up here, I've talked to the truckers, I've talked to the interior wildlife protection officers out of Fairbanks, I've talked and polled several hunters that regularly use the Haul Road and from what I'm hearing, the incidents that are happening are few and far between, but of course you hear about them more than anything else up here. I think it isn't as massive of an issue as some people make it sound, but some folks either feel so passionate towards it, or have their own agendas, that they feel they need to give up hunting real estate, throw in new laws, make new proficiency exams, and so on, opening new doors for anti's or the government to put new restrictions on us. What's next, will we have an "authorized" IBEP instructor ****** us on hunts?
You can sit around and LYAO, think that I know what you feel I should know, but in my opinion, I think the public in the publics eye that you so mentioned before is other hunters that complain about the unethical yet legal acts of other hunters.
We have come up with alternative ideas for cleaning up slobs not only on the Haul Road, but throughout the state. Just as Wahya said,
"Should we find a way to regulate it ourselves by using bowhunters to police other bowhunters?"
I think that is a lot better step towards cleaning up our supposidly scarred image internally, rather than put new restrictions on us.
Prove to me that it isn't word of mouth. AK Nimrod has spent a good amount of time on the road and has only witnessed one or two illegal acts, I've been on the road nearly 130+ days in the last two years and have seen one illegal act, I could go on. The wardens say there were 2 or 3 violations handed out last season on the Haul Road. Where's the proof that it is not word of mouth?
02-23-2002, 03:23 PM
#39
Nontypical Buck
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RE: does your state require you to prove you can shoot
hmm....2nd hand knowledge is no different then telling a trooper whats going on! If it was just one or two people, ya then I would pass it off as just someone with an agenda..but sorry, I hear it to often. The reason you dont hear about it...look at the people you are talking to!
Define how bowhunters are going to clean up bowhunters without restrictions, I would be for it in a heart beat!
Also turning in between 1-2 GROUPS of "hunters" on the avg up there PER TRIP! This last one was uneventful..granted we drove at nite so its kinda hard to catch someone doing illegal activity then! Also NOT ALL OF THEM ARE JUST BOWHUNTERS! I think that is something you fail to understand! I still dont agree with the 1/4 corridor cleaning it up but I do see the problem the fellas proposing it see's! THen again, I dont see you with a rebuttle other then on here!
I would be there is a TON more then 1-2 violations up there!!! I know of one personally so I just happen to see 50% of the violaters? Also get past pump 2 more often! We've already gone round and round about that! Get by glabreth and toolik lakes where MOST of the "hunting" occurs!
Did ya call the troopers in COldfoot or make the trip to happy valley? Also ask who is policing the road instead of flying out to check the guides and drop off hunters!!! I think Curt was doing most of the road plus the 2 or 3 troopers on wheels that I did run into!
Thats just the ILLEGAL side of the house...no look at the UNETHICAL side of the house! It all adds up....and yes I will LMAO when you cant hunt after work <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>!
Define how bowhunters are going to clean up bowhunters without restrictions, I would be for it in a heart beat!
Also turning in between 1-2 GROUPS of "hunters" on the avg up there PER TRIP! This last one was uneventful..granted we drove at nite so its kinda hard to catch someone doing illegal activity then! Also NOT ALL OF THEM ARE JUST BOWHUNTERS! I think that is something you fail to understand! I still dont agree with the 1/4 corridor cleaning it up but I do see the problem the fellas proposing it see's! THen again, I dont see you with a rebuttle other then on here!
I would be there is a TON more then 1-2 violations up there!!! I know of one personally so I just happen to see 50% of the violaters? Also get past pump 2 more often! We've already gone round and round about that! Get by glabreth and toolik lakes where MOST of the "hunting" occurs!
Did ya call the troopers in COldfoot or make the trip to happy valley? Also ask who is policing the road instead of flying out to check the guides and drop off hunters!!! I think Curt was doing most of the road plus the 2 or 3 troopers on wheels that I did run into!
Thats just the ILLEGAL side of the house...no look at the UNETHICAL side of the house! It all adds up....and yes I will LMAO when you cant hunt after work <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>!
02-23-2002, 05:01 PM
#40
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ringgold Louisiana USA
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RE: does your state require you to prove you can shoot
Here's my take on required preliminary testing...at first it sounds good,but think about it for a minute.Just imagine for a second what we are talking about here.Do you realize how expensive and mired with problems such a program would be!!Who is going to do the testing?Our wildlife and fisheries department is struggling with it's available personnel to try to enforce the laws that ALREADY exist.If not them,then who?Some other state agency?What guidelines are you to establish?When and where will the testing take place?How about out of state hunters?Which states law will take precedence?I agree with Cougar Mag on this one.You can test a bowhunter,or a gun hunter(shot-gun,rifle,bp),but this is not going to say that hunter,who may have performed flawlessly on the testing grid,is going to be able to cut it when he is under real hunting conditions,is it?Hunters,and I mean all of us have to police ourselves.You are the only one who knows your abilities and we have to be big enough to admit it when we are not up to the task at hand.Respect for the animals that you hunt is what it all boils down to.If you have it,then you will hunt ethically,with ethical hunters,and not try to do something that is above your ability.If you don't have it,then you don't belong in the woods in the first place.Don't yall agree?That's where I stand..........
Good huntin'.........whackman
Good huntin'.........whackman