RE: mechinacials. dont think i ever use em...
 

Mechanicals heads are illegal here in Idaho, and I would'nt recommend them, as you state with out the proper poundage and set up the broadhead will have trouble getting proper penetration on big game. My choice is muzzy 3 blade, I have had good successful kills with this broad head. But every hunter has his favorites, this is one I choose!

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TFOX, I do not think you are bashing and I respect your opinions. In past years I had trouble with some fixed heads more than others. For me at least, the wider the fixed blade the harder it was to tune. What I am saying is my Muzzys will fly to the same point as my field points. But I do spend more time tuning for the broadheads, and once season nears, I don't really care where my field points hit. I also agree that wind can play more of a factor on fixed blade broadheads. All of the above plus momentum and extra penetration are the reasons I like a heavier shaft for hunting than I would shoot for serious 3D.

I would like to add that I do have imperfect form, therefore a heavier hunting shaft works better for me. But thats another story.:)

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TFOX your right when you say mechs are not for every person or every setup! KE is one of the main factor in selecting any kind head fixed or mechinacial.but if someone has done his homework and tested the head he plains to hunt with and also tuned his bow and prctices well before he hunts with it.There is no reason in my opinion that it would not work for him on midsize large game animals! Such as whitetails.But ELKCRAZY8 when you talk about elk and other large game in that size thats a whole nother story.I would definitly shoot fixed blades and pay more attention to the whole setup on what i would be using there is a big deffrence from a whitetail and an elk or moose or maby a big bear! And ARTHUR P! I don`t mean to sound like im steping on any one toe`s but the reason i sead what i did is that i don`t know any one that screws on a broadhead of any type and go`s hunting without testing or prcticing with it first and as far as that go`s any thing else that someone put on there bow that could contribute to making a bad shot.with out testing it first to make sure every thing works as it should. I think we owe that to the game we hunt and to our self as well.but if there are any one that does just screw one a head of some type and heads of into the woods i`ll agree is a foul! But don`t base your test and finding`s on just two or three heads try most of the top brands out today and i`m sure you will find some that work fairly well.But i will agree with you when you say that the rocky.mt heads did not work that well nore did they for me. I tested them when i bought them and did not like them so i never hunted with them. But sence you have talked to the manufacture.maby they can fix them so they open a little better! Way to go! I also reserve the right to be coment on fixed blades as well sence i hunt with them as well and what i have read on this subject is right on target. a good fixed blade tuned well in my opinion can`t be beat!:) just keep an open mind to mechs if you never hunted with them test other brands and types.and you will see there are some worth giving a second look!

RE: mechinacials. dont think i ever use em...
 

RTA47, put yourself in my shoes... 40 years of seeing many different attempts at mechanical heads that all turned out to be junk. Finally seeing some designs that actually looked feasable and have many successful hunting stories behind them, I break down, set aside my prejudice and skepticism, and get some to try out.

I get 4 different sets, one of which has the standing reputation of being among the best of the best. In my initial examination of the things, right out of the box, three of the four sets will not even open - including the ones that are supposed to be best of the best!

You say I shouldn't give up on just a few different batches and should keep trying. Frankly, I'm not optomistic enough - or rich enough - to keep buying bags of manure, hoping to find pearls. I have to spend what little money I've got on PROVEN equipment that I KNOW will work.

The mechanicals I tried worked fine, after I took the time to fix them. But by that time, my skepticism and prejudice had come back, full form. Especially when I found how little crud it takes to make a mechanical head non-functional. A little dirt or, maybe, ice in the wrong spot and they don't work.

Also, you say you don't know anyone that goes hunting without first testing all their equipment. Fortunately for them, I don't personally know anyone like that myself. However, the shops - and superstores - are chock full of that kind of person in the few days immediately before opening day. Here is where I fall out with the "If it's legal, then it's fine with me" crowd. It's totally LEGAL to go hunting with untuned, untested equipment. It's also totally WRONG to do so. I'm glad to see we agree on that point. I'm also pointing out that just because neither of us personally know anyone that does it, that does not mean it's way too commonly done.

RE: mechinacials. dont think i ever use em...
 

I have been using 100gr Shockwaves since they first came out this year I took 4 last year 6 the year before 5 all were with the shockwaves no losses at all most expired within 40 yards the longest run was about 150 to around 200 yds and I will show the picture where it was hit. Personally I love them I still have my muzzys and still shoot them but change no way.



May I also add all the blades opened every time each one made a hugh entrance and exit wound the one in the picture came out and hit the rear leg in the knee joint and destroyed it.

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ARTHUR P, I really think you could have saved some time and money when you bought those mech heads and preformed your test on them, becouse i really don`t think you had an open mind at all nore did you have any reason to buy them in the first place other than the fact to find any kind of reason to put them down! And you say that you are not optomistic enough or rich enough to keep buying bags of manure hoping to find pearls! well but for some other well deserved respected hunters out there did find pearls, in mecinacial heads! and in thair eye`s and got ride of there manure in fixed blades.And i am not talking about those fly bye night hunter`s that go`s the night before opening day to some department store and picks up some mechinacial OR fixed blades and heads off to the stand. I am talking about the ones that take there limit on game year after year using the same mech heads he used the year before and will agian with no problems. And arthur p, If you only base your test resultss on only 4- diffrent bands of heads, thats hardly a 75 percent rate of failure when there are more than 20-30 type of mechinacials on the market today! you have to test them all to give a true findings on percent of 'failure and success; And sence you did not give info on how you preformed you test .I can only hope you did more that just open the pack! and see if the blades just fell open or not! Buy the way! If any one does have this problem with there mechinacials not opening like they should fix them and test them to make sure they are working properly before hunting with them.And if your shooting fixed blades make sure you do the same! ARTHUR P, if the heads that you tested are the ones that were told to you to be the best on the market to day, and the name brands you talked about. do you think they would sead they were the best if in fact they all did what you sead? Im sorry you had this bad experance with them. But i am happy to say they did solve a lot problems for other hunters. Arthur p i am also happy that you have found what you say works best for you! in fixed blades ,I ALSO SHOOT FIXED HEADS AND MECH HEADS and i have had good success with both! you sound like a very good ethical hunter! and you have hunted for a long time to and earned the respect in the field of bowhunting! I have also bowhunted for many years and I try to be the best i can in the field! and give the animals in which i hunt! all my respect and into this sport of bowhunting.I have hunted weeks at a time alone in the woods and is what i prefer to do hunt alone. I have been lucky enough entered into the pope and young recards more than once and have came very close many other times as you have I`m sure. I love to bowhunt i always have and with gods blessings i always will. I`ll leave you to make the last words on this subject and will not coment more on it! maby we will agree on more in someother topic. as for me all will say is be safe and goodhunting.

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I am glad that the 2 of you haven't had those BAD and UNETHICAL types where you hang out but I have a much different experience.It seems that most of the people that I run into at work and other places are these jerks.I worked with one guy that lost 3 deer in the first couple weeks of the season a couple years back.I constantly stayed on him to either let me help him out with his equipment and or shooting.He finally went to a shop I recomended and got his equipment in check and he was succesful the very next weekend.Really not a bad person but very unethical in the hunting world.I had another one that I set up his equipment and it was shooting great.He had feathers on his arrows and for some reason he didn't like feathers but he bought what was on the shelf.After a cpouple weeks he decided that he was going to change to vanes,that is fine but the local shop,(that I don't reccomend) put 3" vanes on his arrows.Well I informed him that they were not a very good choice for Fixed heads so he would either need to get them refletched or go with a quality mechanical.He didn't want to refletch so I recommended steelheads because I knew his ke was low for most other mechanical.He was around the mid to low 50 ft/lb if memory serves.He had the poundage but a bow that just doesn't produce high amounts of energy.Well,he didn't listen and went out and bought Spitfires(not a low ke mechanical,imo)He came back to work the next monday and said he didn't get a passthru that weekend and lost a deer, I was confused because he shouldn't have a problem if he would have listened.Well I found out what he did and told him that was the problem and his comment was,Do you think there is a difference.Of course It pissed me off because you are asked advice and give it,then it is totally disregarded by someone that has NO CLUE.



These are the reasons that I get so passionate about this stuff.There are too many out there that need guidance and too many other hunters that don't give a rats ass.These stories are all too common and it is up to all of us to try and get people educated.

RE: mechinacials. dont think i ever use em...
 

RTA47... I really think you owe me an apology for that remark.[:@]

RE: mechinacials. dont think i ever use em...
 

Switched to mechanicals (spitfire 100s) last year. Two of my buddies started shooting the same heads this year after my sucess last year. Between the three of us, we shot 13 deer this year, at different angles from 6 to 28 yds. All deer dropped in sight, except for one which was a bad shot, hit in the neck and missed the artery, but still dropped after 60 yds. Several of the deer were not hit "perfact", but from the size of the hole and amount of blood loss, luckily not a problem. The guy at my local archery shop suggests these heads to customers, and I've never heard anyone complain of their performance on deer. Just know your effective range and don't take low percentage shots.

RE: mechinacials. dont think i ever use em...
 

The old mechanical head - fixed head thing again???

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