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Buying one of the two this week and want all other opinions that i can get, Which one to buy the BlackKnight or the Extreme VFT, need all advice i can get on both. TKS and much appreciated

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trophyhuntr,

Have you shot either of these two bows? If you have I would suggest picking the bow that fit you the best, not the bow that's the fastest, or the cooler looking one, just get the one that fits. Let us know how it turns out though.

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have not shot the blackknight, i quess one big question is the vft having one cam verses the blackknight having two and keeping the bow in tune

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Best advice I can give is go there and shoot as many different models as you can. My choice changed more times than I can remember until I actually got in the shop. They're all great bows and ultimately you'll just have to consider what you want most (outright speed, forgiveness, ATA size) versus how they feel to you. It's too personal a decision to say go for this or go for that. I do think you chose a good company to patronize though.

Fritz

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What weight are you shooting? Seems you just want a fast bow and not what might be best for you or your shooting style. You can get a fast bow that is a more shootable than those two. Not that the extreme is that bad but the black knight isnt going to be a walk in the park.Why dont you look into the Patroit dually or the pro 40 dually. The have near 8 inch brace heights in stead of 5 3/4 and 6 3/4 respectavlySeems you are in a bit of a hurry and need to shoot a couple more of these bows before deciding. Good luck

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bow is only for hunting, sighting it in and then to the woods, have alot of friends that shoot all the time and shoot competition, not for me, i shot the extreme vft and liked it

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The VFT is a smooth drawing bow (well, for the speed bows)! It has a short a.t.a length 34-1/8" but it feels larger than that! The bow is incredibly quiet and shock free! Quality is the same as all other BowTechs, which is top notch! My best friend shoots one and it is set at 28" draw, factory hush kit, 3 eliminator buttons, 2 brass nocks, Tru-peep, 63# draw weight, shooting a 390 grain arrow at 269 f.p.s. The bow has a small brace height at 6-5/8" but it is very manageable. With heavy clothes, it will be a good idea to wear a tight black sock with the toe end cut out over your clothes. This will save you money over any of the other arm guards out there plus it will help prevent your string from snagging onto your clothes.

I have no experience with the BKII but from what I have seen on here, some people love it while others don't. The bow is definetly a SCREAMER!!!!!! It also has a small brace height of 5-3/4", which some can shoot perfectly fine while others can't. It has a longer a.t.a. of 36-1/4" which will make it more stable.

Keeping the BKII is just about a mute point with the strings on the BowTechs. BowTech has some of, if not the best factory strings of any bow companies and that helps prevent the tuning issues that use to be a problem with dual cam bows back in the day.

Whatever you choose, it is a good choice. These are both great bows backed by a great company which is ran by great guys!!!!!

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Sounds like you would be better suited with an xbow. If you don't plan on shooting to hone you skills and equipment you need not to have a bow. JMHO!!!!!

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Buckeye i shoot 70-75 lbs on a mcphearson and used to shoot 83lbs on a PSE precision, hard to test alot of bows because i shoot LEFT handed

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If you are worried about the short brace of the Black Knight which IMO is a very nice shooting bow.
Then look at either the Patriot Dually or the Pro40 Dually.

I am waiting on my Black Knight to turn up so I have not shot the 04 yet but if by all accounts ie (new riser, pivoting limb pockets and smoother draw) it shoots better than the 03 then I have another keeper in my stable.

The 03 that I did shoot last year almost had me trading in my 3 week old Pat Dually:D

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i forgot you are fred bear and you need to hone shooting skills quite often, dont start trying to knock me and my bowhunting style, i sight it in and get it tuned and shoot one more day and then hunt with it, i have done the shooting every week and all you do is start moving sights, my style, sorry it isnt like yours

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Thanks Ausie-guy i have heard alot of people who say the blackknight is hard to keep tuned is that true

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yep different strokes for different folks[:o]

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Thats because you are not practicing enough. having to move your sights from week to week or session to session is a common sign of an un-practiced archer who has not developed a solid repeatable anchor and form.

That is why we shoot all the time - so we do not have to move sights.

If you will not practice the black night is not a bow for you - it would be a terrible choice of bows IMO for your "style".

Be an archer first........then a bowhunter - they are unseperatible IMO.

If you do not practice I can almost 100% say you are overbowed at 75 lbs.

Shoot a 60 lber.

Cross bow is not a bad suggestion for your "style" either.;)

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no crossbow for me i have a handicapped frien who has one, dont like it

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Didn't realize you were lefty trophyhuntr - that does make it hard to test them out. For what it's worth, I wanted a bow primarily for hunting that was forgiving but maintained enough speed to take the guesswork out of ranging the target. I found that in the Patriot single cam. It's got good speed, draws nicely, and allows me to still hit the target after the occasional pull or torque.

The Liberty was great, but left out some of the speed I wanted. I sacrificed some smoothness to gain this speed. The dual cam bows drew noticably harder, as one would expect, and I didn't like the idea of adding cam tuning to the equation - not to mention the low brace height on the BKII made me nervous.

You may want to check out the Pat S/C if hunting is going to be your bow's primary duty. To me, it seemed to combine many aspects of the others in the lineup.

Fritz

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thanks fritz i will, they have alot of right handed bows but no selection of left handed will talk to them about your advise and will ask about it

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If you don't have any plans on practicing then i don't think any compound bow is for you--I'm sure we won't be hearing any questions from you next year about tracking deer on a bad hit or anything like that huh?[:@][X(]

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jsasker

you wont dont worry, didn't say i didnt practice, i shoot enough to where i am comfortorable with my bow and that is it, killed plenty of deer, have lost a few absolutely, who hasnt

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I think try to find a very forgiving bow--higher brace height,longer axle to axle--that would be your best bet.jmho.

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sounds like the extreme vft is a little more forgiving, but you give up a little speed

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Keeping the BK II tuned won't be a problem with the new strings. I have had mine for about a year and a half and only retuned once. After about 200 shots my cams were slightly out of sync, one twist in the cables and haven't touched it since. I have the tall brace model and it shoots really nice. I shoot a lot though. It took some getting used to and if you don't shoot a lot the VFT would likely be a better choice IMO.

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Shot placement outweighs speed anyday!

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Mez how fast is the Blakknight II

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FYI

Patriot shoots 300fps actual with 363G arrow.

Fritz

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Isn't this a contradiction of ones self????

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Been a while since I shot it through a chrony, if I remember correctly around 285 fps with a 470gr Beman matrix. Mine is 70# at 29 inches. It is fast.

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Mez has already answered this quesyion.
My Pat has only been in the press once to be retimed a year and a bit later and about 20k shots it is dead on.

The 04's have a new string material TS1 or ST1 and is sposed to be the bee's knees of material.

I will know in a couple of weeks if it stretches any cause I just got back from picking my 04 Black Knight up :D along with 3 speeding tickets [:o][:-]

The Birth cert say 61# 28" draw 300 gr arrow 317 fps:D.

But I am sure I can tweek the timming to get a little more;):D

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Buckeyebuckwhatever

No it is not contradicting myself, i dont practice like alot of people shooting every week, i shoot it in and might shoot it only a couple more times, what i was saying is i have friends that shoot 5-6 days a week, i used to shoot like that not for me anymore, so dont sit behind your damn computer and try to find every little word where you think someone questions your opinion on bowhunting, i killed my first deer with a bow 16 years ago and average 4-7 deer a year with my bow, just because YOU think someone doesnt practice enough you question them, Get off your high horse, get back to reality and quit acting like a spoiled little teenager and quit questioning other people hunting ethics

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Trophyhntr

Seems we always end up butting heads. Go ahead and take your untuned bow and unpracticed self to you nearest canned hunting operation and take the first unethical neck shot that is presented. (all are the "styles" you advocate)


Those are words of wisdom.

As for me being on a high horse, thats just not the case. I know myself and most other bow hunters don't want an unpracticed (using this term loosley in your case archer) hunting in their woods with them.

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Yeah we do butt heads alot but let me just say this, i know alot of people who are great bowhunters on a course but you put them in a real life situation with a big buck and they freeze, you can say how good you want all you want but being a good shot with a bow and a good hunter two different tales. Like i said once again anything behind a fence is a so called canned hunt, whatever, try shooting a deer in the neck it might just impress you rear end, when you ever get to my caliber of deer hunting we will talk again, i have seen all the pictures of the dinks you shot, glad you are happy with them, so go back to your political hunting ethics and get on someone elses case because i am done dealing with VERY UNEDUCATED hunters, you are nothing but all mouth

PS Dont respond im done talking to you

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This is a good point you made. Now imagine if he shoots as often as you do.

Now as to be being on your "caliber " or level of a deer hunter I will take my home grown "dinks" over you geniticaly groomed can deer anyday.

Since when does shooting a deer in a fence, in a spot someone else scouted and hung the stand make you a better deer hunter than another??? I don't by your line of crap, save it for someone who is impressionable to your line of hunting, I mean shooting.

I'm sorry I didn't know both of these 3 1/2 year old bow kills were dinks.

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Nice deer buckeye , congrats .

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I bet mine is longer than yours[8D]

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Hey watch that kinda talk.........I almost got decapitated in here for using that shooting comparison once.

;)