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How important is made in the U.S.A. to all you hunters?
When I look at all the stuff we have as hunters to choose from Why and How IMPORTANT is it to us to buy made in the U.S.A. stuff? KEEP THE JOBS IN ARE BACK YARDS !!!!! |
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I buy the products that work the best for what I need them to do. I shoot CE arrows that are made over seas simply because they shoot well for me. I have tried Bemans and Eastons carbon arrows but they just do not shoot well out of my bow. My bow, and its accessories are made in the states though. I would like to buy everything in the USA but that's not always going to be the case. I drive a Toyota and most of my future vehicles will probably be foreign too. Not because I am anti America or anything but the Toyotas, Hondas, Mitsubishis, etc... are built better and last longer than the Chevys, Fords, and Dodges that we produce.[:o]
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Hey Big Bulls, that Toyota you drive may be made in the U.S.........lol. Always wanted a Toyota truck myself.
I try to buy everything U.S.A. made, but its getting tougher. Some of the camoflauge is made overseas....just depends what company makes it. Everything I bowhunt with is made here.:D Check out some of the hunting boots on the market. All high quality boots by the major brands are made in the U.S. and are more expensive. Some of the same bootmakers sell cheaper boots but...........the cheaper boots are also cheaper in quality overall. Its even easy to tell just by looking at them. Personally, I refuse to shoot an American deer with a Taiwanese made arrow, but thats me. |
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ORIGINAL: bigbulls I drive a Toyota and most of my future vehicles will probably be foreign too. Not because I am anti America or anything but the Toyotas, Hondas, Mitsubishis, etc... are built better and last longer than the Chevys, Fords, and Dodges that we produce.[:o] Our biggest export in this country is the U.S. buck. Buy enough foreign goods and none of us will have a job. You may live long enough to see that day too - it's not too far off, believe me. Wolf Dog, you hit the artery for me on this one. Let me put it simple - I live in this country, NOT japan, china, bangladesh, indonesia, taiwan, or vietnam. Why in the hell would I want to support another country's economy? Yes, it is very hard to buy pure USA, but for the sake of our jobs and our kid's jobs to come, buy here or move out![:@] |
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And BTW, you are an idiot if you think a blanket statement that commie cars are better. I will not dispute that they CAN be a very good product. But I can site many many examples of US cars and trucks lasting a LONG time. Let's take my American built Chevy S-10 I sold at 256,000 miles that is still on the road..
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When I can, I do. If something is an absolute better value, I'll buy foreign products. Just because its made oversees doesn't mean its not being made for an American company or final assembly in the U.S.A.
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"DUUHHHHHHHH. And did I mention that I am stupid as a rock too?" Buy enough foreign goods and none of us will have a job. You may live long enough to see that day too - it's not too far off, believe me. I guarantee you that a very large percentage of stuff that you have in your house from the materials that it was made with to the clothes that you wear and the vehicles in your garage are either foreign made or utilize foreign parts. So get off of your high horse. |
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If an American product is better then I will buy it if it's not then the americans that make it need to wake up and produce a better product that's worth buying. Build a better product and people will buy it. Plain and simple. I guarantee you that a very large percentage of stuff that you have in your house from the materials that it was made with to the clothes that you wear and the vehicles in your garage are either foreign made or utilize foreign parts. So get off of your high horse. Anyway, I'll shut up now but just wanted to let you know I was out of line with my earlier reply. Sorry man. God Bless and good hunting to you. |
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From here on out starting in 2004 I will only hunt with U.S. gear!!!
I will only by U.S. personal stuff to!! As hunters we need to support our sport with U.S. made goods!! Let the stores over seas gear sit on the pegs and see how fast they re-order!! Let the stores know up front we will not buy over seas products!! I can only do what one man can do I hope you can add to this number. |
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Oh Boy...I think this thread opened up a big can or worms!!!!
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It is extremely hard, in these times, to differentiate between foriegn and domestic products. I work for a large "American" manufacturer, and most of the components that go into the "American" product come from overseas. The American car you drive-all of them- have their drive trains made in Mexico, the electric systems in your American car come from Japan. It's hard to get away from anymore, it's so intermingled that it isn't funny.
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No hard feelings BSB. And yeah, your right it does suck that nearly everything we buy is at least partly made over seas. As Americans we need to wake up and realize that we need to get on par with China, Japan and so on. We can't expect to compete with these countries if our stuff costs more or does not have the quality that an over seas product has.
Take steel for instance. Japan for the most part produces better and less expensive steel than America does simply because we, for the most part, still use fire to control the temperature of the melted steel and Japan uses electricity to control the temperature of their steel. Their method costs less and it produces better steel because they can more precisely control the temperatures of the steel. We will sit here and grype about how Amaricans will not buy American steel then say that it costs too much to convert to electricity so we shoot ourselves in the foot. I bought some stainless steel dog bowls for my dogs and when I got home I noticed that they were made in India. Now explain to me how in the world that India can produce these dog bowls and import them into this country for less money than we can simply produce them. See above!!! We need to pick it up. As Americans, we have no one to blame but ourselves. Look at our politicians too. Read the AZ import tax bill about Easton arrows. |
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i agree 100% with bigbulls, i am going to buy the best quality that my money can get me. im not going to buy inferior products to keep an economy going . i am a bussiness man in the service sector . if i am not good at my specialty do you think i can keep my customer base by pleading ,but i have to feed my children . nooooo wayyyyyy.
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Yeah... buy a Chevy... made in Mexico...
Buy a Toyota... made in USA. |
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As far as I'm concerned I'll never buy something not made in the USA if given a choice. Problem is there often isn't a choice.
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Dog bowls made in Inda. Nice. How funny that we can't even make a simple dog bowl. Wow does that blow. I picked up a nice parka this season and was on the way to the counter when I realized it was made in Vietnam. Vietnam? What the world? No way. Not going to support Vietnam.
As for the steel, sad to say you're probably right. Not my area of expertise, but it sounds about right. This isn't cool though. I will continue to buy American steel no matter what. Thing is, I am tic'd off because of the way it's going - American products not up to par, foreign goods taking our money and contributing to the selling of America, etc.... This is all part of the end times though and leads to a one world order. No stopping it I suppose. KBacon - my GMC's drive train was made in Toledo and the truck was assembled in Flint, MI. Yes, I'm sure a portion of that truck is from foreign goods, but the majority of the money stays here, and keeps me and a lot of people collecting a pay check. No, I don't work for GM or the other big ones, but my industry is affected by foreign made goods and I like my pay check. Nuf said. |
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Please 'forgive me' for intruding as a Non-American. Most times I would pass on a post of this nature. However this time I wanted to share an experience I've had--which has nothing to do with bow hunting--and maybe should not even be mentioned here. Again, please forgive me, nevertheless this could be 'food for thought'!
I am a Canadian, ( I beg you, hold back the stones for a while)--two years ago my son fell from a trapeze and broke his hand in two places, real bad and was rushed to emergency. Took a few hours to get the x-rays, blood work, etc done. He was then booked for surgery, to be around 11 ~ 12 that night. Unfortunately at 12.30 AM the nurse came and told me they were moving my son from emerge to a room, as the surgery was cancelled until the following morning-- as the Orthopaedic & Reconstructive Surgeon had left for the night and other 'more serious' cases took precedence. I was engulf with anger, in my own country I could not get a surgeon to attend to my son in a Canadian Hospital--because of other 'more serious' cases taking precedence. That night seemed to last forever, then the following morning my son was wheeled into the OR. My wife & I was paged to sign the documents (waiver) for surgery and anaesthetic procedure and was then briefed on the surgery by the surgeon--yes, and you guessed it---he was a NON-CANADIAN--a foreign national---and he was going to be working on my son. Guys, it was a humbling experience--the man operated with perfection and today my son's hand is as good as new. I would have not dared at that time to say--I want CANADIAN!!! I wanted someone who could have helped--and that I got. I just wanted to bring this up--for all you know, the 'life saving blood' that is intravenously administered to us sometimes may not have even come from a Canadian or American for that matter---yet it may have SAVED OUR LIVES!!! Please again forgive me, if I have offended anyone by my post, as this was certainly NOT my INTENTION! I have looked at things a whole lot differently since then. |
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Have you tried to hunt in other countries? it all about the $$$$$
We have to look at the big picture 3-5-9 years from now, do you think for one second other countries give a S..T if we can hunt or have places to hunt or have game to hunt!!!! NO !!!! NO!!!NO!!!! They will go with the flow and make other stuff if the demand went down. 2004 buy U.S. only and if you think it can be better call the manufacturer and b…h. Your support will make them build better gear! |
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I agree 100%! And I'd suggest taking it a step further and boycotting any U.S. companies that move their operations to other countries for cheap labor.
The latter can be kind of tricky and takes a little investigation. Some (or most) companies will keep their corporate office in the U.S. and their operations are outside the country but they will give their U.S. address.[:o] |
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Ampahunter, you are not intruding. Canada, the last time I looked is a part of North America.
I always look to see where products are manufactured. I will pay a little more to have something made in Canada or USA. This not only applies to my hunting gear but all things. However, we all know not everything is made here. Maybe we should tax the products imported to our countries just as other countries do when we export. Look at the thread that was discussing the arrows and components that are not taxed the 12.4% when they are imported. |
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Made in the U.S.A. (shipped to China, assembled in Tailand, inspected in Brazil, stamped in Mexico.)
There are very few things that are made in the U.S.A. with every part coming from the US and put together in the US and sold in the US. It's sad really. I'm sure the same goes for Canada. |
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ampahunter - you're not intruding. Thanks for the story.
Michigan is only a stone throw away from Canada, so we have a ton of workers coming here to work from Canada. My first preference would be USA made, but I would much rather buy Canadian made than China any day. Cabelas sells a Scent Lock jump suit liner deal that's made in Canada. The rest of the stuff is made overseas. I will by the Canadian made Scent Lock in a heart beat over China. (If only we could get Canada to handle their own garbage rather than shipping it all into MI, we'd be all set, that's another story though). Here's a real good example: a guy down the road we buy hay from has been a machinist for 20 some years working in the same shop building the same main bearing fitted in jet engines. This part is machined to 1/100,000 of an inch tolerance. (To picture what this dimension means, split a piece of human hair in 4 and you have about the same dimension). The process is amazing. Guess where this guy is now? On the unemployment line looking for work. Why? Because the company was bought out by a bigger fish and the entire operation moved to Mexico. Think you didn't trust commercial air travel before? So, this guy loses his job and stops spending money localy placing strain on this guy over here that has to stop buying this product over there which makes xyz company lose business and forced out of business putting more people on the street. The suppliers that they bought from feel the burden now too and more people get laid off. Meanwhile, the Mexican's are drinking tequilla working on parts to fly us around the country, if we could afford it. Bottom line, buy American if at all possible. |
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It doesn't matter to me. What ever works.
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Amp. Nice story thanks for sharing.
My question on the Dr. is where was he educated? He may have been an Foreign born person but his hard earned dollars may be paying back student loans on our side of the Pond. I try to buy American, but like most, will buy the best bang for the buck when it comes down to it. |
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Doeculler I have read the thread on Eastern Outdoors and you guys have every reason to react to a bill that is as bias as the one the AZ Senator is attempting to block. Unfortunately, only the senator himself knows exactly what his reasons are for such an obtrusive situation.
As for import taxation, I agree with you 100%--overseas imported products should 'not be exempted' from taxes, while locally built products similar to the imports, are taxed. There 'must' be some form of home land protection for local jobs, all the while, paying attention to the supply and demand, quality and price and how this affects the consumer. I can certainly understand how advantages vs disadvantages will have an adverse affect on 'the tax payers', leveling the competition is also just as important---for if this is ignored, the unscrupulous companies will monopolize and nail the consumers to the cross. |
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Just a short response to Badshotbob, I am in total agreement with you-- the 'EMBARRASSING Garbage situation'-- is truly an insult and I am very much "ashamed" of our politicians who have negotiated this irresponsible matter. I AM ASHAMED!!
Badatta--I'm not sure where the goody Dr. was educated, his english was pretty difficult to understand--but man I am forever grateful to this man, I could have hugged him when the surgery was done. |
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My Plymouth had 'Mitsubishi' stamped on the engine. My Winchester was made in Japan. My Timex watch was made in China. My Toyota pickup? Made in L.A.!
My favorite knife was made in Norway. My next bow is being made right now, in Canada. Frankly, I got tired of buying American brand name products and finding out I'm not buying American. Welcome to the 'global economy.' |
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i look at it this way badshot you are right but so is mosteveryone else but not 1 time have everysingle one of us gotten dupped into believeing we where buying american made products, now back during WWII the same thing was always said ,buy american well the japanese got smart to this and what they did was stamp everything as made in USA hm pretty smart eah since it meant USA JAPAN and not U.S.A. nowadays all the foreign countries have a new game plan for the down fall of our economy, offer american business's cheap labor,factories and a great import market, yup good old u.s.a. and the ones we have to thank are the politicians the lobbiest's and the corporations them selves. they all have taken there slice of our AMERICAN PIE,,,, well my 2cents worth
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ORIGINAL: deadshot nowadays all the foreign countries have a new game plan for the down fall of our economy, offer american business's cheap labor,factories and a great import market, yup good old u.s.a. and the ones we have to thank are the politicians the lobbiest's and the corporations them selves. they all have taken there slice of our AMERICAN PIE,,,, well my 2cents worth deadshot, you're dead on. Most of our politicians have an agenda for all of us that wouldn't make us too happy at all. This in turn is ruled and driven by the fact that the one world order has been forming for many years. We have been spoon fed this notion that we are participating in a global economy. Well we are, but what is our biggest export? Cash. This whole economy is speeding to a deadly crash, one in which we will probably live to see. I want to do everything I can to prevent that, meaning keeping jobs here. Newaygo ha? Fished there many times, I love that part of MI. I lived in Big Rapids for years. There used to be some great hunting over there. |
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I have had 2 american cars that have reached the 200,000 mile mark so I am not buying into the forein cars are better,it just isn't true.And I had a Datsun when I was 16.
Another fact is we have a huge deficit with China,actually 12.6 billion ,not 400 billion as stated before.The reason is that we can not compete with their wages plain and simple.I am a tool maker and know for a fact that the people that are taking MY JOB in China make 40 cents an hour,THIS IS A FACT.I can,t compete with that no matter how you want to say it so that you sleep better at night. We have about a 30 million dollar deficit with Mexico and canada and this is a problem but you can see it doesn't even come close to what is going on with China right now. ANOTHER FACT,we have lost 2.5 million manufacturing jobs in the U.S. in the past few years due to this NAFTA crap.Is your job next?I would bet that it is.I have already had to sacrifice about $10,000 a year in overtime and even gone down to 32 hours a week for 3 months because of it.And no it isn't an isolated case of my shop,there have been about 3000 tool shops close in the past 2-3 years,I am one of the fortunate ones that my shop is still open,for now.This has been building for about 6 years now and is coming to a head. So I am pleading to you for my sake and your sake,buy American whenever possible.It isn't that we need to stop trade,because trade can benefit us all but IT MUST BE FARE AND EQUAL or we will all get the shaft in the long run.12.6 billion isn't equal and neither is 30 million. I will climb down off my soap box now. |
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To keep this in the bowhunting forum, there are some quality carbons made overseas(I didn't say best). I wouldn't have a problem even buying a bow from England(Merlin), because it was never made here in the first place.
Toyotas and some other foreign brands are good trucks BUT, it is widely recognized and accepted that American auto manufacturers have caught up! As far as quality, check out your foreign made boots and hunting clothes..........they suck!!! But people buy it because its cheap and some hunters can only afford cheap. Take Rocky boots for example...they make high quality boots in the U.S., but they are high in price. They also import cheaper boots to the U.S., and yes they are cheap made too! We get what we pay for is still true today. Buy cheap and 99% of the time it is cheap! |
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I have a different spin on it.....Hunter men and women don't usually seem to fall into this category, but what if "America" in other words"Bleeding Heart Liberals" or Politicians would stop throwing $$ into oversea's countries and re-invested that $$ into our own economy, everything would be much better.
Where and how did it ever start that every other countries problems, seem to be our problems???????????? If I have all of this correct, sometime in June, MN is slated to receive a very large group of (not 100% sure on the #) Cambodian's, Hmong(once again, not really sure on the country they are coming from, but it doesn't really matter) from some type of "war" camp. All because of some Bleeding Heart Liberal Lutheran group wants them here. Now I am certainly not saying that I think that the "war" camp is a good place to be, but why am I now going to be responsible to pay for them to live here???????? I have to pay for them to speak English, pay for them to live here, to go to our public schools, pay for them to get police protection, etc, etc......all off of MY HARD EARNED MONEY. Where's the sanity???? It just pisses me off to no end, that it is just assumed that I or many others want this to happen or are willing to pay for this. I and many others have no choice in the matter. Our "great" welfare system...what a joke!!! Why do you think we get stuck with all of them? Because my glorious state, has the best welfare system in the country. |
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I'll keep buying American cars and major ticket items... simply because they aren't foreign. All my American cars etc have been fine vehicles and held up well with the exception of one Buick lemon. It was a company car and spent 7 of it's first 13 months in the shop. We then got rid of it, but I'll keep buying American. As far as the rest of the "do-dads"... I'll buy what works best for me whether it be foreign or American made.... unless it's French.... then I don't buy it.
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davidmill,that is exactly the problem.Those doodads add up to about a 12.6 billion dollar deficit with china.That is a lot of people out of work.I know that those doodads are getting increasingly harder to find that are made in the U.S. and most of those doodads are American companies that have shipped there operations overseas.
We just keep coming out on the short end.If our politicians would wake up and get some legislation passed that would put some tarrifs on this stuff,then we would start to see a few more companies stay at home.Think about what that would do for the economy and the job market.We would be booming again and trade would be working for both parties instead of just one.It would keep our prices competitive and we could still earn a living.NOVEL CONCEPT ISN'T IT.This is exactly what was done with Japan and has worked out well for both.That is why they make so many Toyotas in this country now.Heck,there are 2 Toyota plants within 2 hours of my house.We trade many other items with them and they are still able to make cars there too.Keeps prices competitive and jobs in both countries.Of course for this to be possible,the dollar has to be worth close to the same,not like it is with china. |
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TFOX, I'm with you 100%
Side note, TFOX do you now where Crittenden county is. That's where I do most of my deer hunting.[:-] |
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DO I,that is the best hunting in the state.:D
I used to hunt in Mattoon in Crittenden,I actually still have a camper there that is at my friends grandparents house.His grandmother got sick and senile and I lost my hunting rights there but I hope to be back in next year.She has since past away but I am not going to ask untill some time has passed,don't want to seem like a vulture just sitting and waiting for her to pass. I hope to be back in because I had about 400 acres that I was the only one they allowed to bowhunt,now no one is allowed to bowhunt.The quality of the bucks was unbelievable too. |
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As long as it worx good ill use it:)
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We need to look at this realistically. We can boycott products, but will that affect anything? I suggest that it won't unless you can get the whole country to do it, and that is very unlikely. In fact, I doubt you could get 10% of consumers to go along. It simply won't work in virtually all situations. Companies move their operations overseas for one simple reason - to stay in business. Competition demands that they continually try to save money. Labor rates in these "third-world" countries is where the greatest savings occurs. Most of these companies would go out of business if they didn't move overseas, and I'm sure they are counting on the fact that only a small percentage will boycott their products because of this. To them, it won't matter since they won't survive here anyway.
The only true help will come from the American government. Tariffs on foreign made products would level the playing field. It would also greatly reduce competition and quality of US made products would suffer. Take your pick. Just realize that boycotting companies will not work. You need to lobby the politicians to enact legislative change. That is the only thing that will work. |
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Straightarrow,I agree with you BUT with forums like this providing a little education,we can all start to lobby.Boycotting will help if you do get 10%.Think about it,10% of 250,000,000 people is a whole bunch of people.
People like me are starting to make a difference.I have seen more on tv news programs and newspaper articles over the last year than I had in the previous 4 years.So the tide is starting to turn but we need to stay on the politicians AND the American people to make a difference.This has been a problem for the tool industry in a MAJOR way for about the last 5 years and is starting to show up in many other industries. I am not sure if I believe the stuff about the companies going out of buisness.I believe it is a matter of sheer greed and the bottom line, BUT the biggest problem with their theory is the more companies that do this the more people out of work(sure it works for a while) and the fewer people that have the money to buy THEIR products.This causes a DECREASE in sales and then they must keep the prices up to try and make up the difference.This is where we are at now.Then all those people out of work are not paying as much in taxes and neither are the companies because there products are made overseas and their sales are down. You can see the neverending spiral this causes and with a little education,maybe things will start to swing back to supporting the American work force instead of slapping it in the face. Like I have stated many times,I am not against trade and really think it can be a good deal for all involved,it just isn't fair at this point in time and really needs to be equalized. |
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My opinion is that if it CAN be made here then it SHOULD be made here. The only imported goods should be goods that we cannot produce and therefore trade for. But we know it will never be this way.
I personally will buy a product because it is made in the USA. If I cannot find an American made product then I will settle for foreign. It is getting harder to find American made products. I like quality products and will pay extra if I have to. I want it to last. I will buy that product again if it is good. Many companies now are sacrificing quality for quantity. Half of the sad truth is that the politicians don't care because they are going to do what the big moneymakers tell them. The moneymakers have lost any sense of patriotism that they may have had over the years. All that matters to them is the almighty buck. They'll move their company if they can gain a profit from it. To hell with the workers who lose their jobs and cannot find a new one. The other half of the sad truth is that the younger generation is a 'throw-away' generation. As long as they can replace their merchandise cheaply with a new one then they don't care where it comes from. Their only concern is making themselves happy. It's me, me me. Who cares about you? The bottom line is money - it IS the root of all evil. When and IF I get to purchase new hunting (archery) equipment I will definitely be looking at the label. We need to help our neighbors by educating ourselves and our friends on the importance of spending our dollars at home first. |
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