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tabby 12-04-2003 02:01 PM

RE: Native american hunting methods
 
philbert8

I would think they taste like a rabbit? Or maybe a deer? Maybe peanut butter...

philbert8 12-04-2003 02:14 PM

RE: Native american hunting methods
 
I'm thinkin they taste like nuts

by23856 12-04-2003 02:19 PM

RE: Native american hunting methods
 
There was an article in a hunting magazine that talked about "A man who touches deer". The man is Tom Brown Jr. and was taught by a Native American about the art of camoflauge. They must do a lot of hunting in warm weather because he talked about covering your whole body with ashes from a wood fire, then using charcoal to use blotches and then matting natural debris on you, like moss and mud and twigs in the mud, etc.

He also talked about a stalking walk, where a normal step takes 80-90 seconds. He mentioned that many of today's hunters take today's pace into the woods with them, and move entirely too fast. If you estimate a stalking step being roughly 2' in distance, one step every 85 seconds means it would take you 3 hours and 20 minutes to move 100 yards.

Another thing to keep in mind is that they had 365 days a year to hunt, the deer were not as pressured as they are today and therefore likely did not have as much of a natural fear of man as they do today. Also, the Native Americans may have been hunting something entirely different when a shot at a deer presented itself- they didn't have to worry about it being in season or not.

They really did have a lot of things in their favor, although I'm not saying it was a walk in the park for them, either. However, I think these things were more of a factor to their success than bathing in a deer's blood, which is more ritual than anything else.

WalMart 12-04-2003 02:23 PM

RE: Native american hunting methods
 
Philbert8...I hope your bum don't hurt no more. :)

Huntinggirl89, that was very interesting and infomative. Thanks. It's great that there's still people who study or live the traditional life...not just hunting....but anything...i.e. making candles, woodworking, making paper, sew their own clothes etc.

tabby 12-04-2003 04:02 PM

RE: Native american hunting methods
 
by23865

I read that article. Said the kids would pull hair from the tail as the deer walked by. wow...

huntingirl89 12-04-2003 06:15 PM

RE: Native american hunting methods
 
ditto

dathein 12-04-2003 08:43 PM

RE: Native american hunting methods
 
Thank you for sharing the ways of your ancestors. I think we could all learn a lot from the ways of the past.:)

hoyt/montec 12-04-2003 10:29 PM

RE: Native american hunting methods
 
Every deer hunter should read Tom Brown Jr's book about touching deer. He is not Indian but his friend from young childhood was. The stalking/touching deer was taught from his friends grandfather. One of their tasks was to come home with a handfull of hair that they got off a live deer. He talks about stalking deer that are looking right at you, moving so slowly that the deer does not even see you move. His friend and him would have contests who could touch a deer first. One (I forgot which) was a faster stalker (could move standing still, faster), but would sometimes get busted by the deer. He tries to explain the feeling of putting out your hand and running it down a deers back as it walks by you.

Tom aside, all of us would be much different hunters if we relied on it for our sole means of survival. Some Indians also used a lot of snares, traps, pits, etc.

AKDoug 12-05-2003 12:47 AM

RE: Native american hunting methods
 
Most Native Alaskan methods were far less spiritual...to a white guy.

One method of killing polar bears used a piece of baline (spelling?..it's the strainer from a whales mouth) rolled into a sping shape and placed inside a big chunk of fat. The bear would eat the fat balls whole and when digested the baline would tear up the bear's stomach causing an agonizing death. They would follow the bear from a safe distance until he croaked.

A tremendous amount of caribou hunting was done in lakes and rivers when the caribou swam across. Natives in boats with spears would harvest them quickly.

Ducks, geese and swans were harvested during molt when they could not fly. Herded into shallow inlets they were netted or clubbed to death.

Seals were clubbed to death and speared when they poked up out of the ice.

When you have only so few months to secure food in the arctic you did what you had to.

Rogue 12-05-2003 01:07 AM

RE: Native american hunting methods
 
All of our ancestors were substance hunters at one time or another and I think it would be a completely different story with all of us if there weren't a sandwich and a thermos of coffee waiting in the truck for lunch.

I believe that in a day when there were no record books or game laws that things were alot simpler. Notice that I didnt say easier but they were simpler, animals were food on the move.

In eastern Oregon pronghorn were routinely herded into brush enclosers. The antelope were then run to near exhaustion until they could be clubbed to death. After all even then arrows were valuable.

And dont knock the effectiveness of the stone arrow heads, recent studies have shown that the cutting width of a obsidian head is 5 microns, surgeons scalpels are 25 microns, so the stone heads were 5 times as sharp as todays scalpel blades.

As far as the ceremony goes I dont know what to think. I have witnessed on more than one occasion where a ceremony was performed for a sucessful hunt and seen animals almost willingly give themselves to a hunter. I have been told that this is not that uncommon and that the hunter must take the animal that has chosen to give them selves. I know what your thinking it sounds crazy to me too but if I hadn't seen it I wouldn't believe it either.

All in all I think that we would all be more sucessful if our next meal depended on what we killed. I dont know about you all but i'm sure that I would have been eating alot more squirrels than deer this year.

good hunting

Rogue


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