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atlasman 11-06-2003 12:31 PM

Do " grown" bucks taint the record books???
 
It seems to me that in the years to come the record books will be full of deer that were " grown" so to speak for their racks on private land with the use of food plots.

This is a departure from how the bucks were harvested that have filled the record books to this point and I was just wondering what the reaction to this new trend might be.

What happens when the world records that have stood for so many years begin to topple every year or 2 due to better and better scientific nutritional supplements being created for antler growth??

Do the record books have restrictions for entries besides the let off in P+Y??

Can a deer killed on a ranch or gamefarm be entered??

I know as much about the record books as I do flying a space shuttle so someone that knows the books please help me out :)


How would you feel if you owned the world record buck and got him the old fashioned way through hard work, long hours and some good ol' luck all mixed in.............only to have someone bump you from the top spot by killing a home grown mega racked monster from a heated shed overlooking his food plot where he has watched this buck grow over the last 5-6 years???

Is it fair??...........and will we see bigger and bigger and bigger deer every year that passes now because of the intrusion of science and supplements into the once natural realm of deer hunting???


I know a lot of guys out there take these books pretty seriously so I will be interested to see some of the replies........since I think the fruits of home " grown" racks are going to be seen big time in the near future.

NorthernMN 11-06-2003 12:57 PM

RE: Do " grown" bucks taint the record books???
 


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Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today' s world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:

1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.

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6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter' s experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment.

* Free-ranging as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club is any native North American big game animal that is unrestricted within its biological home range, has adequate protective cover, and reasonable opportunity to elude the hunter.

I would think as long as they weren' t stuck in a pen they would be fine. Of course some of these deer farms and big ranches do have high fences. The " Book" has never really interested me. I am sure there are some trophies in the book that shouldn' t be there. People lie and that is just a fact.

mez 11-06-2003 04:19 PM

RE: Do " grown" bucks taint the record books???
 
Interesting question, I have thought about this myself. Deer are not allowed in the books that are shot behind high fences so that is a non issue. If you look at the areas where the majority of the really big deer come from: Iowa, Illinois, and Ohio, what do they have in common? Along with really good gentics they have a lot of corn and soybeans. So to want to exclude deer because someone plants a food plot on their property, in fairness you need to exclude deer taken on property that contain crops or are shot in crop fields. I understand that these foodplots are geared toward growing good racks but just look at the deer coming out of the cornbelt. I don' t see any difference in putting a stand on the edge of a cornfield and one on the edge of a foodplot. IMO they are essentially the same thing.

cardeer 11-06-2003 04:43 PM

RE: Do " grown" bucks taint the record books???
 
Don' t mean to be rude or or a idiot.But i really dont care. To much put on the antler size.I' m not talking about young deer verses mature deer now. Just like us males, size dont make you a man and having the biggest rack dont make you a hunter.

atlasman 11-06-2003 05:50 PM

RE: Do " grown" bucks taint the record books???
 
Cardeer,

That wasn' t rude and you are not an idiot.............I really couldn' t care less myself. I do know that more then a couple guys here do get into the whole record book thing pretty seriously so just thought I would ask.

I have MUCH more interest in cook books then I do record books ;)

Now if they had a record book for hot air balloon crashes and random explosions along with guys stalking decoys, and sticking bolts in trees 8 feet off the ground.............you would be the undisputed champ ;) Your stories rarely disappoint :)

orthobowhunter 11-06-2003 09:02 PM

RE: Do " grown" bucks taint the record books???
 
Sounds like cardeer still has some lead in the pencil

Tazman 11-07-2003 07:02 AM

RE: Do " grown" bucks taint the record books???
 
atlasman like you to have a buck in " The Book" is simply an ego builder, I saw the Va. state record buck a few years ago and until then I had no real idea that a buck I killed in 74 came pretty darn close to being as big as him. The only way I would ever consider having a buck scored and entered in the books would be if I was pretty sure it was a new world record and the only reason I would do it then is for the money!

I have a feeling in the coming years we will see a lot of state records falling because of food plots and suplimental feeding in addition to some places that practice intense QDM. How ever I don' t think the world records will fall that often because most of the world record deer already come from areas that do not need suplimental feeding and the like because due to farming and good genes it will have no real effect on them.


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