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kellyguinn 07-26-2017 05:34 AM

Broadheads
 
Its that time of year again. Anyone thinking of trying anything new?


I'm pondering going back to fixed blades but I am intrigued by the Rage Trypan and Hypodermics. I'm not shooting a extremely fast set up compared to most but I am still up there. Pulling 61lbs on an Elite E32. With GT Hunter XT arrows and 28" draw. Pretty sure with the average shot of 20 yrds I can get fixed heads to hit the mark but worried about the longer shot. I don't have the equipment needed at the house get the set up tuned perfectly for my liking with most fixed heads. Heck I really have no reason to change but seems like that itch always creeps up this time of year :party0005:

rockport 07-26-2017 07:15 AM

If you are having flight problems try an offset fixed head...Muzzy trocar, NAP thunderhead razor etc. or a compact 4 blade like Slick trick.

kellyguinn 07-27-2017 08:02 AM

I was looking at the thunderheads. Also been checking out the reviews on the Dirt nap but I am wanting to have blades that can be replaced instead of sharpening. Seems that if having to sharpen them a little weight would come off each time and make each arrow fly a bit different. I have never used them though so I can't vouch for that statement lol. I really liked the regular rages but I have yet to be able to reuse a head. The dang this is trashed after going thru a deer. The Xecutioners work great on turkeys but I haven't slung one through a deer yet and I really don't like the idea of the o-ring system. I've used the 3 blade muzzy before but the first shot I ever had at a deer was at 40 yrds and I hit the shoulder blade. The damn muzzy bounced right off and I haven't used them since. Sure it wasn't the best shot but I would have thought it should have gotten a little penetration. Ended up taking my first deer with a bow the next day with the mx3 muzzy at 20 yrds right behind the shoulder and still only got about 8" of arrow in him. Granted this was an old Reflex Highlander bow at 63 lbs.

rockport 07-27-2017 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by kellyguinn (Post 4311872)
I was looking at the thunderheads. Also been checking out the reviews on the Dirt nap but I am wanting to have blades that can be replaced instead of sharpening. Seems that if having to sharpen them a little weight would come off each time and make each arrow fly a bit different. I have never used them though so I can't vouch for that statement lol. I really liked the regular rages but I have yet to be able to reuse a head. The dang this is trashed after going thru a deer. The Xecutioners work great on turkeys but I haven't slung one through a deer yet and I really don't like the idea of the o-ring system. I've used the 3 blade muzzy before but the first shot I ever had at a deer was at 40 yrds and I hit the shoulder blade. The damn muzzy bounced right off and I haven't used them since. Sure it wasn't the best shot but I would have thought it should have gotten a little penetration. Ended up taking my first deer with a bow the next day with the mx3 muzzy at 20 yrds right behind the shoulder and still only got about 8" of arrow in him. Granted this was an old Reflex Highlander bow at 63 lbs.

The thunderhead razors are different than regular thunderheads. The blades are held on by little screws and the Muzzy trocars are also held in by screws and they are one piece solid steel rather than the (I believe) aluminum most muzzys are made of with the screw on tips. Both heads fly great, penetrate really well , and do plenty of damage.

The one downside is the offset blades destroy targets and are very hard to pull out.

Western MA Hunter 07-27-2017 11:10 AM

Sticking w/ my tried and true NAP Spitfire Maxx

hatchet jack 07-31-2017 06:50 PM

I'm checking out the Ramcats fixed and the Bloodsport Night Fury expans 125 grains

hunters_life 08-01-2017 03:29 PM

Kellyquinn, my old Hoyt Raptor is by far not the fastest bow at only right around 290fps it's kinda slow compared to todays bows. But with both the Slick Trick Standard and the G5 Montech, I have yet to fail to pass through a whitetail or elk out to 40 yards. I even passed through one buck that was quartered away a little bit and I hit it at 32 yards a good bit forward almost centering the shoulder on impact. Blew through the shoulder and down through the sternum and buried about 6 inches into the dirt. That was with a Slick Trick Standard model. And I have absolutely no issues tuning either of them for out to 50 yards. They fly right dead on with my field tips. Because of the pretty steep angle of the trick blades, they punch a nice hole on both entry and exit too. The G5's also perform very well but I have always had to hone them a bit out of the box. They were sharp but not as sharp as they could be. A few licks on the extra fine hone stone and then a little leather stropping and they will shave a frogs butt.

buckscamp 08-01-2017 07:32 PM

Magnus
 
Stingers fly like field tips and have great cutting diameter. Lots of luck with them but not much talk about them.

rockport 08-01-2017 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by hunters_life (Post 4312254)
Kellyquinn, my old Hoyt Raptor is by far not the fastest bow at only right around 290fps it's kinda slow compared to todays bows. But with both the Slick Trick Standard and the G5 Montech, I have yet to fail to pass through a whitetail or elk out to 40 yards. I even passed through one buck that was quartered away a little bit and I hit it at 32 yards a good bit forward almost centering the shoulder on impact. Blew through the shoulder and down through the sternum and buried about 6 inches into the dirt. That was with a Slick Trick Standard model. And I have absolutely no issues tuning either of them for out to 50 yards. They fly right dead on with my field tips. Because of the pretty steep angle of the trick blades, they punch a nice hole on both entry and exit too. The G5's also perform very well but I have always had to hone them a bit out of the box. They were sharp but not as sharp as they could be. A few licks on the extra fine hone stone and then a little leather stropping and they will shave a frogs butt.

The montecs are like that by design. The factory edge is steep and designed to be tough. Theoretically designed to be sharper after getting through the hide and bone and in to the goodies than they would be with a thin razor edge..I personally think they are a great broadhead but not one of the better whitetail options. A better choice for larger game IMO.

Ive shot one whitetail with a montec...zipped right through both lungs and kept right on going. Deer went 50 yards and piled up but no blood at all. Was a tough search through very thick cover with no blood. Obviously 1 deer is not a fair test but there was just no reason for me to give them a 2nd chance.

hunters_life 08-01-2017 09:26 PM

I've taken 12 whitetail and 6 elk with the G5 rockport. Never once failed to leave a good blood trail though I'll admit I've seen better on some of them and others it looked like a kill room. I don't know how many whitetail, elk, and moose the old man took with them. He started using them about a year before they were even available as a tester. Got me using them about a year later. Deb primarily uses Tricks. She's one of those archers that doesn't pick a kill zone, she picks a hair. And usually splits it. Dang girl is amazing with a bow.

rockport 08-01-2017 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by hunters_life (Post 4312271)
I've taken 12 whitetail and 6 elk with the G5 rockport. Never once failed to leave a good blood trail though I'll admit I've seen better on some of them and others it looked like a kill room. I don't know how many whitetail, elk, and moose the old man took with them. He started using them about a year before they were even available as a tester. Got me using them about a year later. Deb primarily uses Tricks. She's one of those archers that doesn't pick a kill zone, she picks a hair. And usually splits it. Dang girl is amazing with a bow.

I would say my one deer was dead/down before the cavity filled to the hole. Mine was also a factory edge which is probably not ideal for whitetail

Your dad definitely liked the montecs and slick tricks. I about had him sold on trying an offset head.

hunters_life 08-02-2017 09:29 AM

He was never afraid to try something new. He tested a lot of broadheads over the years. He even went through an expandable stage but that didn't last very long. One of his favorite sayings about a broadhead was, "pretty much any broadhead will kill a deer when it is placed perfectly through both lungs. Even a field tip will kill. The true test of a broadhead is when you make that not so perfect shot and clip the shoulder or back in the deer a little bit and still pass through and leave a good blood trail." The second part of that, most of those big expandable blade brodheads will do the job, the first part, not so much.

rockport 08-02-2017 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by hunters_life (Post 4312297)
He was never afraid to try something new. He tested a lot of broadheads over the years. He even went through an expandable stage but that didn't last very long. One of his favorite sayings about a broadhead was, "pretty much any broadhead will kill a deer when it is placed perfectly through both lungs. Even a field tip will kill. The true test of a broadhead is when you make that not so perfect shot and clip the shoulder or back in the deer a little bit and still pass through and leave a good blood trail." The second part of that, most of those big expandable blade brodheads will do the job, the first part, not so much.

Yeah I hate expandables.

I like to assume I'm going to hit the animal in the vitals and lack of penetration is the only problem I'll have if I do that. If I'm hitting deer in the guts thats my problem not the broadhead.

hatchet jack 08-02-2017 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by buckscamp (Post 4312265)
Stingers fly like field tips and have great cutting diameter. Lots of luck with them but not much talk about them.

Stingers are a great head. They are the best flying BH I ever used. they don't leave a good bloodtrail tho. I'm going to give the Ramcats a try this year. I shot a 8pt last year with a 125gr Stinger and had a hard time finding it, a liver shot. Not much blood at all.

HJ

rockport 08-03-2017 09:06 AM

man the Ramcat Diamondback sure looks a lot like the muzzy trocar.

hatchet jack 08-03-2017 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by rockport (Post 4312387)
man the Ramcat Diamondback sure looks a lot like the muzzy trocar.

yes they do. I think they are single bevel ???? I'm messing with the regular 125gr ramcats 1.5 cut. they look nasty and they fly nice. I gotta see what they do on a critter.

HJ

rockport 08-04-2017 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by hatchet jack (Post 4312462)
yes they do. I think they are single bevel ???? I'm messing with the regular 125gr ramcats 1.5 cut. they look nasty and they fly nice. I gotta see what they do on a critter.

HJ

Looks like they are single bevel. Ive never tried one but the ramcats look like a great design to me. I bet they work great.

botechboy 08-15-2017 08:59 AM

I'm one that once I find something and try it and it works I stay with it sure there is always room for improvement but it takes something more than new for me to change up

Bible_Man 08-21-2017 12:14 PM

I've been using Rage heads mostly for a few years now, and have had good results. I, too, was for years a fixed blade only kind of guy. Finally tried some rages, and was pleasantly surprised. I have also tried, and liked the Dead Ringer Trauma...a whole lot of blade, and I experienced good penetration on the two does that I killed with them. I plan to continue using Rages...they've penetrated plenty for me, produced really good blood trails, and have done nothing but impress.

I am by no means saying that I don't think fixed blades are good...they are really good heads, and they perform fantastically when tuned correctly. But, I have had no reason to go back after the experiences that I have had with the mechanical heads that I have used.

Also, after this eclipse coming through Tennessee today, I should have the odds in my favor with all of the blind deer that have been staring at the sun all afternoon...

RidgeFACTOR 09-26-2017 06:58 PM

Muzzy 3 blade (100 gr.) here, the chisel point gets it done!

Tyler Adsit 09-27-2017 10:22 AM

I know that Killzone the 2.3" expandable broadhead has some issues with penetration but they put a heck of a hole in an animal. Even with a heavy arrow and draw weight. Read some online reviews prior to buying anything.

YTCLT 09-27-2017 06:00 PM

I've killed a ton of deer over the past 15-20 years with NAP Thunderheads. Today, with small 2" fletching, I find the 100 grain heads fly beautifully. Back in the day with 5" actual feathers I used the 125gr heads. They are durable, and lethal.

Brandon_SPC 09-28-2017 01:01 PM

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Been shooting Slicktricks and QAD exodus for a few years. Never any problem with flight path as long as I paper tune my bow, walk back tune, and spin tune my arrows. Everything has flown true out to 70 yards. Coming from a 525 grain arrow all I have are pass throughs. Picture below left is a hog shot with 125 grain Exodus and right is 125gr Slicktrick magnum. If you want to know how the holes look.

redmag 10-02-2017 11:58 AM

I have benn shooting 100gr Thunderheads since way back. At that time there were no mechanicals. I shot a lot of heads before landing on the Thunderheads and for me they fly like my field points and stuff does not run far. Anyone getting rid of Thunderheads, I'll take them.


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