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Old 10-20-2003 | 08:49 PM
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Would some of you who are into competitive archery with your compound bow want to compete against an individual with a scoped crossbow with a 150-200 lb draw?
Bring em on. littleal and myself take on the xbows every year in our Loonie shoot. They haven' t beat us yet. I have a couple good friends who shoot them, and another who needs to. They are welcome to sit at my fire any time.

Some of you who bash them, should try one. Or shoot against them.
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Old 10-24-2003 | 07:01 AM
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Why is there such animosity towards crossbow hunters/shooters? Unless one is physically disabled there isn' t a need? They shouldn' t be used? That they shouldn' t be allowed during archery season?

Some of the reasons that were given include: crossbow are not archery equipment, more like a rifle, learning curve is too quick.

So for these reasons crossbows should not be allowed to hunt the extended archery season? Hmmm. Let' s see. If you are hunting your own property, you are unlikely to have anyone hunting on your land who shouldn' t be, with or with out crossbow, so competetion from crossbow users will not effect the way you hunt. If you are hunting on public land, you must remember it is shared land. It is not yours it is not mine. The deer are not for your sole enjoyment and pursuit. If some one were to walk through small game hunting with a shotgun, while I was in a blind that is his/her right to do so.

Just because a crossbow is shouldered and has a trigger does not make it a rifle. No where near! There is no gun powder, no explosives, no supersonic projectile capable of harvesting beasts out to 300 yards. As with a vert you must get CLOSE to the intended prey. 25 yards or under for me. You must understand what makes the animals tick, know their habits, scout, cut shooting lanes, learn the trajectory of your arrow/bolt.

ANother reason was because crossbows have a short learning curve. So because someone takes less time to become familiar with their equipment, that is unfair? What would you rather have, someone who is iffy with a vert or someone who is competant with a crossbow shooting at game animals. If it means a clean kill, and enjoyment in the field should we not embrace it?

Crossbows are not archery equipment? Says who? String, limbs with or without wheels, bolt(short arrow), broadhead, rainbow trajectory. Sounds like archery to me. Sure one doesn' t have to draw and hold all that weight, then again someone with a compound doesn' t have to hold the entire draw weight as a recurve shooter would. But that doesn' t mean hunting can' t be enjoyed by both. The modern bow is a far cry from the original " traditional archery equipment" . Wheels, cams, stabilizers, red dot sights, fiber glass, magnesium, aluminum, carbon arrows, mechanical releases(very similar to a trigger). Modern bows are just as different from their predacessors as in-line muzzleloaders are to theirs.

If one really wanted to we could subcatagorize all the different forms and give each one a season. Long bow with out sights-2 weeks, recurve without sights-2 weeks, compound with sights-1 week, crossbows-1 week, sidelocks-1 week, flintlocks-1 week, in-lines 3 days, iron sighted lever actions- 4 days, scoped bolt-action rifles-3days. Sound ridiculous?
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Old 10-24-2003 | 07:36 AM
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wow, great post. well said!
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Old 10-24-2003 | 07:49 AM
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ORIGINAL: cardeer

OK ,I will tell the story again. First the x-bow issue in Pa. gets real heated. Nice people can loose there temper about this issue. I am disabled.Need canes to get around especially terrain off the road. I arrived real early went along a well maintained trail and set my chair down next to a briar patch.Hoping that when the crowd of hunters go in and out they will chase a deer to me. I was just sitting in the chair when hours after light 2 hunters walk up tp me.They seemed friendly were smiling. I thought they just wanted to talk and be nice. I totally did not expect what happened next.They caught me off guard and sucker punched me ,knocked me off my chair. Kicked me when I was down.They smashed my x-bow and threw it and my canes in the briars.They said there you lazy x-bow hunter ,from all true bow hunters,or something like that. By the time I got up and retrieved my canes they were out and in the parking lot and left. On there way out they cut my tires on my truck. This was public land. I will never hunt on public again.
Reading that got my blood boiling ! I can' t believe people could be that ignorant. I only hope you were able to get a backtag number or some other info to hopefully hold them accountable for their actions. [:@]

As far as crossbows are concerned I fully support them. Here in PA they are only legal during bow season if the user has a disability. Other than that the only other time they are allowed is during gun season. I really like this law. I think it' s fair and honest.

The day I am no longer able to shoot a compound bow will be the day I switch to a crossbow.
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Old 10-24-2003 | 08:01 AM
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Fact is many of the arguments made against crossbows today were used against compounds not long ago. Mnay still are used, check out a few of the traditional sites and see what they have to say about compounds.

Here I' ll make it easy for you this is from the Compton site. See if it rings a bell?
" Why another bowhunting organization, it will just split our ranks?" . The ‘splitting of the ranks came in 1968 with the invention of machinery to replace the age-old longbow and recurve bow. Those of us who had been in bowshooting and bowhunting before the advent of these machines had to use our prowess and knowledge of animals and their habitat, and the understanding of our beautiful primitive equipment to be successful in the hunting field whether we killed game or just enjoyed the hunt. We made a lot of our equipment- arrows, quivers, armguards and bows. We sharpened our broadheads and learned to track animals, follow bloodtrails and understand the value of our predator/prey relationship in the woods. Many of the hunters who switched to the machines were members this group of ‘the old-days’ philosophy, and continue to be fine hunters. But the machinery ushered in the ‘high-tech’ equipment into our bow seasons. Many hunters came into the archery fields with the thinking that each new added piece of equipment would make it easier for them to be successful, and that is precisely what has happened. We have a new-breed, high-tech bowhunter who doesn’t have to learn how to stalk because he can take shots up to 100 yards. He does not have to learn how to sharpen his own broadheads as they come pre-sharpened. He does not have to learn how to follow a blood trail because he can use a string-tracker and sprays to make the blood show up better. He does not make any equipment because of the proliferation of high-tech gear. He does not learn anything about nature, the woods and the predator/prey relationship because he does not take time from his high-speed lifestyle to learn. We have bred the non-hunter participant in our seasons.

When we started to obtain bowhunting only seasons in the 1940’s, 50’s, and 60’s, we used the philosophy that we were a very low success (5 to 10% take), high recreation/hours in the field per animal taken hunting group. The machinery has now put our overall archery kill figures at 20% and higher, and that now factors us into the game management equation. We no longer figure in the high recreation/hours per/animal taken class. Because we now figure in on game take numbers, we figure into the State management plans which also puts us in the category where season time and hunter numbers is regulated to control the number of animals taken. As the number of people in North America continues to grow and habitat continues to be ate up by development, the available hunting area shrinks. We can already see, and will continue to see, fewer animals- especially in the West-and more competition for those animals from hunters of all types. With to many animals being taken in the archery seasons, we will see (as has already started) steps to cut back the length of our seasons and all bowhunters suffer because of one type of equipment- the high-tech gear.

We must ask ourselves if it is fair to bowhunting that we suffer much less time in the woods pursuing game because of this high-tech equipment. We must also ask the users of high-tech equipment if they are willing to see seasons drastically cut (as was proposed in Colorado and Montana) so they can use these high-tech machines. Is it fair to the folks using traditional equipment to suffer shorter seasons and more restrictions because of high-tech equipment? I have been asked if we will try to get the high-tech equipment out of the bow seasons. I have stated that we will not pursue this agenda, but we do need to draw the line somewhere. We have seen a proliferation of new equipment come on the scene recently including an air pressurized arrow that releases the air into the body cavity upon the arrow striking the animal, a bow that will shoot a small dart and a hydraulic machine that shoots an arrow with no moving limbs, a rifle that shoots an arrow, and a greater push to legalize crossbows in archery seasons. We are reinventing the rifle, and with each piece of this type of equipment, Game departments and the public are casting more dim views of the ‘primitive’ sport of bowhunting.
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Old 10-24-2003 | 08:38 AM
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I like the way Texas has it' s hunting regulations set up.

Recurve and compound Sept 27 - Oct 26. Crossbow for diabled persons(must have medical disability that is verified by a doctor).

Nov 1 - open season , " anyone" (with a license) may use a centerfire rifle/pistol, muzzle loading rifle/pitol, recurve/longbow, compound bow, or crossbow to harvest deer.
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Old 10-24-2003 | 11:29 AM
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But prof, that' s not good enough for the crossbowmen. They want into October as well. I used to oppose them. Now though, I don' t see enough difference between a crossbow and compound to make any difference, whatsoever. LSBA has fought agains crossbows in bow season here for years. But, now that they' ve dumped the 65% letoff rule for their big game awards, they have no credibility left on the issue.

There used to be a good reason to exclude them, back when everyone shot recurves. Even 10 years ago there was still enough difference between compounds and crossbows to say crossbows didn' t belong in archery season. Now, those differences are practically nil.

One comment I saw back up there a ways really ticks me off. And it ticks me off every time I hear it. People say that the crossbow lets people hunt who " don' t have time to practice." That' s a crappy darn attitude to have with ANY weapon! I don' t give a flip what you intend to hunt with, from a selfbow to a rifle, if you don' t have time to practice, then you darn well better not tell me you' ve got time to go hunting. That is total BS and the people that think that way are ones I categorize right in there with slob hunters! [:@]

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Old 10-24-2003 | 11:42 AM
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According to www.dictionary.com

Archery--\Arch" er*y\, n. [OE. archerie.] 1. The use of the bow and arrows in battle, hunting, etc.; the art, practice, or skill of shooting with a bow and arrows.

2. Archers, or bowmen, collectively.

It takes some skill to use a crossbow, as a compound, recurve, longbow.

They also all use arrows, so in a true sense, crossbows are in fact archery. They are more similar to guns than compounds, but they still require you to get much closer to game, practice, shoot arrows, and use kinetic energy to take down game.

We' re all bowhunters whether crossbow or compound, and I wish that hunters wouldn' t bash each other over differing methods, when there' s people out there willing to get rid of hunting all together.

I shouldn' t bash someone for using a crossbow, just like someone who shoots recurve shouldn' t bash me for using a compound. I say to each his own, if someone wants to shoot a crossbow and it' s legal, more power to em. Many hunters get into archery because of the easier use of crossbows.

I myself got an old PSE Foxfire crossbow from my grandpa, and that in turn...got me into archery and I decided to buy a compound.


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Old 10-24-2003 | 12:42 PM
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I agree with Aussie on this.I shoot and hunt strictly with traditional bows,and I' m going to go against the grain here,but I really don' t see how hunting with a crossbow by anyone,disabled or not,personally affects me or anyone else for that matter.It has absolutely no impact on my hunting,where I hunt or how I hunt.You hear the arguments that it' s cocked-and-locked,ready to shoot.Who cares and HOW does it affect anybody else' s hunting?!
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Old 10-24-2003 | 12:58 PM
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Crossguns should be reserved for the disabled ONLY!
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