blacktail slayer

Pretty good article on a few bad things that have happened in the past.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/opinio...e52356140.html

kellyguinn

The land I hunt on is if not the only then one of the few federally owned lands here in my state. That has not prevented oil and gas companies from putting wells and piplines all thru it. Just saying.. It has ruined several of my spots over the last 5 years

I'm not sure it would make a differance who owns the land if they feel that there is money to be made then they are going to try and make it. I'm not saying I agree with it as a hunter though.

blacktail slayer

We have federal public land all over here in Oregon and yes some has cattle allotments, mining or whatever on it but a majority and I mean a very large majority does not have this going on. The state has been doing such a poor job of managing the land that they are selling off a 100,000 acre patch as we speak. Yes that is a single 100,000 acre continuous patch. Who know which state owned parcel will be sold off. The states don't have the money to manage large tracts of land like the feds do. Fed land turned into state land could then be sold off to private owners just like here in Oregon. That means zero public access. I'm not a fan of this movement if you want to call it that.

blacktail slayer

Stop the Silly Talk of Selling Public Land
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/oc/...ng-public-land

Our Public Lands Not For Sale
http://backcountryhunters.org/images...nds_Report.pdf

blacktail slayer

How the Federal Government’s Role Changed From Realtor to Landlord in the West
http://www.govexec.com/management/20...d-west/124975/

blacktail slayer

The state of Nevada has sold 2.7 million acres (99.98 percent) of its state land had and now retains only a paltry 3,000 acres of its original school trust lands. So the acres they received at statehood, got auctioned, sold and divided and became the Las Vegas Strip. How many acres of that 2.7 million does the state still have? At most (no official number can be found) 35,000 acres. Out of 2.7 MILLION!

Roughly 700,000 acres of state land in Idaho are already currently closed to public access. Idaho has already sold over 1.5 million acres of the state land which it was originally granted, which amounts to over 30 percent of all state lands it has owned.

Wisconsin had 3.25 million acres of trust land. They have about 75,000 left!

I agree with this:

"I am all for private companies providing resources for profits however I am not for further subsidization of private companies by the American tax payers. Look deep and that is the obvious motivation and if it isn't then these companies are fools for spending millions lobbing for it.

First the states have a worse record of managing lands in many cases make the Feds looks adept in land Management. Further more they (states) have less money and resources then the fed and their prognoses for any better or cheaper management with similar public access and use is almost impossible.

The second reason is that Corporations understand full well they the states can not afford to manage these lands and have history huge sell offs that have taken place in the past. The amount of lobbying that is taken place is insane. The motivations are clear and again it becomes a tax pay subsidizing corporate profits."

blacktail slayer

Congressman Raúl Labrador, R-Idaho is trying to push a bill to transfer fed land to the states. "The bill complements the efforts of the Federal Land Action Group." Now follow the money behind the "Federal Land Action Group". Representatives Chris Stewart (R-Utah) and Rob Bishop (R-Utah) launched the Federal Land Action. Other members of the Group include Cynthia Lummis (R-WY).
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/

blacktail slayer

Follow the Money- "The usual suspects are backing Ivory. He sits on the federalism committee of the American Legislative Exchange Council. His nonprofit, the American Lands Council (ALC), is largely funded by local and county governments eager to gain control of land in their communities. It has also taken funding from utility companies and Americans for Prosperity, the dark-money group founded by the Koch brothers.

In 2013, more than 50 percent of the funds the ALC raised went to Ivory and his wife, who together were paid more than $100,000. The Campaign for Account*ability, a Washington, DC-based watchdog group, has asked attorneys general in Utah, Arizona, and Montana to investigate Ivory for allegedly peddling "demonstrably untrue statements" about constitutional law while soliciting checks from government officials. Anne Weismann, the group's executive director, says the ALC "just reeks of the classic snake oil salesman." (Montana's AG has declined to investigate.)"
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ral-land-bundy

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/

blacktail slayer

Some really good info if you check out the link. http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2014/...quals-freedom/

Here is just a little.

Constitutional authority

There are those who claim the federal government has no constitutional right to own lands except for a few forts and the District of Columbia as authorized in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the Constitution. If this was the sum of federal authority, it makes it hard to explain how at the beginning the federal government owned all but the 13 states. Why were not these new territories’ lands instantly given to the citizens, the states, or put up for sale to the highest bidder?

In fact, land acquisition by the United States in North America took place through treaties and purchases, beginning with the Louisiana Purchase in 1803 and ending with the purchase of Alaska in 1867. Through the years, the federal government acquired 1.8 billion acres in North America. The U.S. Constitution addresses this in what is called the Property Clause, not in Article I, section 8, clause 17. The Property Clause (Article IV, section 3, clause 2) reads, “The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.”

blacktail slayer

Because STATE public land management is not always better! Oregon public land mismanagement lawsuit.
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/i...billion_l.html