Maximum range for deer?
11-25-2014, 10:29 AM
#12
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Central Iowa
Posts: 790
Many people think 60 yards is ridiculous because of where they hunt, thick large timber I'd have a hard time shooting over 20 yards. But in Iowa with the majority of the land being wide open ag fields 60 yards is reasonable. I don't just fling arrows. I practice beyond 60 all year so I can make the shot if needed. It rarely is but I'd rather be prepared for it than not be. All the deer I have shot have been 20 yards of less.
Another reason I practice the long shots I do; say you gut shot a deer and he hobbled out to say 55 yards. Are you going to put an ethical shot on him and put him down ethically like he deserves? Many different things come into account to determine if a shot is ethical.
Another reason I practice the long shots I do; say you gut shot a deer and he hobbled out to say 55 yards. Are you going to put an ethical shot on him and put him down ethically like he deserves? Many different things come into account to determine if a shot is ethical.
11-25-2014, 11:45 AM
#13
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,780
I will not shoot a deer that is much over 25 yards, with under 20 yards being my desired distance. Foam targets are different than living game. Shooting at dots at 40 yards is fun. I have found too many gut shot deer on my property from neighbors that think it is cool to see how far they can shoot one.
11-26-2014, 04:01 AM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Eldred, PA
Posts: 1,667
Many people think 60 yards is ridiculous because of where they hunt, thick large timber I'd have a hard time shooting over 20 yards. But in Iowa with the majority of the land being wide open ag fields 60 yards is reasonable. I don't just fling arrows. I practice beyond 60 all year so I can make the shot if needed. It rarely is but I'd rather be prepared for it than not be. All the deer I have shot have been 20 yards of less.
Another reason I practice the long shots I do; say you gut shot a deer and he hobbled out to say 55 yards. Are you going to put an ethical shot on him and put him down ethically like he deserves? Many different things come into account to determine if a shot is ethical.
Another reason I practice the long shots I do; say you gut shot a deer and he hobbled out to say 55 yards. Are you going to put an ethical shot on him and put him down ethically like he deserves? Many different things come into account to determine if a shot is ethical.
11-26-2014, 06:22 AM
#17
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Central Iowa
Posts: 790
Takes a deer .1 seconds to react better not shoot out to 30 then. In fact you have to take shots under 20 yards for you to beat the deer. It's knowing where to aim when you get past 20 yards
11-26-2014, 06:53 AM
#18
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3,903
The biggest problem with this argument is that you're using the wrong reaction time.
It's well proven that the average reaction movement time is about 0.1sec, with humans typically falling slightly above that mark, animals often slightly below. HOWEVER, this 0.1sec reaction time is only relevant for tasks requiring non-ambulatory movement. I.e. clicking a button, raising their arm, slamming on the brakes, drawing a pistol...
Bodily movement reaction time, since it requires a complex motor neuron response, is typically in the 0.7-0.9sec range for humans, with 0.4-0.5 seconds to begin moving individual limbs to initiate movement, with animals falling in the 0.4-0.5 sec ballpark for bodily reaction/movement, and 0.2-3sec for limb movement. In other words, a deer can click a button in under 0.1sec, but they can't get their whole body moving for about 0.5 seconds. In plain terms, the deer can START moving before the arrow gets there, but their vitals don't move.
So that's how so many of us are able to kill deer at 40yrds or more.
11-26-2014, 09:22 AM
#19
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Eldred, PA
Posts: 1,667
IA... How many bucks have you shot with a bow at 50 or more yards?
Last edited by fingerz42; 11-26-2014 at 09:43 AM.
11-26-2014, 09:42 AM
#20
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Eldred, PA
Posts: 1,667
Expanding - since I have the day off and I happen to LOVE that this line of reasoning always comes up in the "distance archery debate"...
The biggest problem with this argument is that you're using the wrong reaction time.
It's well proven that the average reaction movement time is about 0.1sec, with humans typically falling slightly above that mark, animals often slightly below. HOWEVER, this 0.1sec reaction time is only relevant for tasks requiring non-ambulatory movement. I.e. clicking a button, raising their arm, slamming on the brakes, drawing a pistol...
Bodily movement reaction time, since it requires a complex motor neuron response, is typically in the 0.7-0.9sec range for humans, with 0.4-0.5 seconds to begin moving individual limbs to initiate movement, with animals falling in the 0.4-0.5 sec ballpark for bodily reaction/movement, and 0.2-3sec for limb movement. In other words, a deer can click a button in under 0.1sec, but they can't get their whole body moving for about 0.5 seconds. In plain terms, the deer can START moving before the arrow gets there, but their vitals don't move.
So that's how so many of us are able to kill deer at 40yrds or more.
The biggest problem with this argument is that you're using the wrong reaction time.
It's well proven that the average reaction movement time is about 0.1sec, with humans typically falling slightly above that mark, animals often slightly below. HOWEVER, this 0.1sec reaction time is only relevant for tasks requiring non-ambulatory movement. I.e. clicking a button, raising their arm, slamming on the brakes, drawing a pistol...
Bodily movement reaction time, since it requires a complex motor neuron response, is typically in the 0.7-0.9sec range for humans, with 0.4-0.5 seconds to begin moving individual limbs to initiate movement, with animals falling in the 0.4-0.5 sec ballpark for bodily reaction/movement, and 0.2-3sec for limb movement. In other words, a deer can click a button in under 0.1sec, but they can't get their whole body moving for about 0.5 seconds. In plain terms, the deer can START moving before the arrow gets there, but their vitals don't move.
So that's how so many of us are able to kill deer at 40yrds or more.
So using the equation 1/2at^2:
at 20 yards the deer cannot react (.2 flight time, w/ .2 reaction or .3 reaction)
at 30 yards the deer cannot react (.3 flight time, and .3 reaction time) or 1.92" body drop (w/ .2 reaction time)
at 40 yards 1.92" body drop (.4 flight time, .3 reaction time) or 7.68" body drop (.4 flight, .2 reaction)
at 50 yards 7.68" drop (.5 flight time, .3 reaction) or 17.28" body drop(.5 flight, .2 reaction)
at 60 yards 17.28" body drop (.6 flight time, .3 reaction) or 30.72" body drop(.6 flight, .2 reaction)
Now obviously a deer will not drop 30", as it will just load it's weight to bound away but anything over 30 yards becomes a guessing game and is dependent on guessing our shot placement and hoping the deer moves as we anticipate.
Please tell me more about how this isn't enough time for the deer to move prior to the shot...
Last edited by fingerz42; 11-26-2014 at 09:45 AM.