Never once did I say I was an expert... I just stated its ethical and reasonable for people to take those shots.. Yes I've never shot a deer over 20 yards, am I able to yes. I don't set up for long shots but when you are hunting an ag based state where you may have only a fenceline of trees and 400 acres of wide open field sometimes you can't get them in close..

actually I don't think they practice as much as the avg bow hunter.. The pro TV hunters I know and have hunted with don't have that kind of time...

No more then 40, to many things get in the way you do'nt see.

My thinking on the matter is that if you're shooting groups of 3 or 4 inches at 60 yards on a nonliving target and your centered on the vitals and when you let the arrow fly that animal just happens to take a step, not as a reaction to anything but just because that's what animals can do, and that arrow happens to be the one in the group that you shoot back a little bit you probably won't miss the deer, but there's a very high probability that you'll gut shoot it, which I understand can happen, I've done it, but in my book that's almost worse than missing. I don't know exactly how large of a step a deer takes but I could see it really throwing a wrench into things. Also, using the argument of "I saw it on the outdoor channel," is a very bad one…

On the years I practiced out to 60 yards, I was quite accurate and confident at a completely relaxed and standing deer at 40 yards - shot one at that range and saw it fall 40 yards from the shot. My practicing doesn't always "go long" and now 40 yards is uncomfortable for me ... not because I can't make it, but I don't want it to be that "flyer" that seems to be in many groups and because deer will take a step when you think they're stopped. I've taken 5 deer this year on 5 arrows shot. All but 1 fell with-in 45 yards except the heart shot one which made 60 yards! Shots varied from 20 to 30 yards at relaxed deer standing still. Confidence in your shot is very important and I won't take a marginal shot.

I've made 40, 35, 30 yard kill shots on deerbut mostly 20 and under. Some stands are simply 35 -40 yard stands, the nearest tree to the deer trail is that far away.

As far as you feel comfortable and have shot your bow out too. My last pin on my bow is set at 50. I pratice all the way out to 50 where I feel comfortable enough taking that shot. Furthest shot to date 46 yards on a black bear using muzzy mx3 100gr. most of my deer shots were under 25 and my 1 and only elk shot was 33.

It really depends on what your comfortable with. I'm not comfortable with taking a shot over 40yds so I wont but others can and will. As long as your bow has the necessary power at that range and you can accurately shoot that distance your fine. My father shot a deer at 110 yards and has taken other animals at high distances. If a deer is watching you, don't shoot as it'll jump the string when it see's the movement but a comfortable deer generally isn't going to freak.

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Has anyone ever watched the hunting show called the Crush? On this show Lee shoots at big game out to 130 yards. On one show he killed a Sheep at 100 plus yards.im sure he's a expert long range shooter but thats pushing it a bit! I wounder how maney animals he cripples taking those typs of shots?

I've never seen him shoot at extreme distances other than on that sheep and it was stupid. Anyone that shoots long distance with a bow greatly increases the odds that something will go wrong even more so than those shooting way out with a rifle!

Most have been 20 or less. I'll go out to 35 - 40 but after that it's pushing it. Most of the time I can't get a clean shot at that range without hitting something where I hunt. Some stands I can only shoot to 25 or there is to much in the way.
At the range I can do 50 accurately but that is clear with out the adrenaline Rush

With 35 years of experience behind me I would agree with this. With a good broadhead a bow will kill cleanly about as far as the bow will shoot---probably in the 300 yard range. The limitations are essentially the shooter.

I have always gone by the notion that my maximum effective yardage is about half of the distance where I could shoot 4" groups--about half the radius of a deer's vitals. Shooting under controlled conditions on a practice range and on a good day that might be 60 yards. Therefore, considering that shooting at a deer with my knees knocking and the adrenaline flowing, and the fact that the deer could move while the arrow is in flight I have a self imposed limit of 30 yards. I'd say my average over the years has been about 20 yards, give or take a few. My longest shot ever was 37 yards.

That seems like a very sensible approach.

Thank you. I've also always kept one thing in mind. I don't HAVE to fill my tag just for bragging rights. I'm my own police officer in the woods. At home I have look in the mirror and admit whether I did right or wrong.

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Who has the eyes, without magnification, to spot the twigs that get in the way of arrows, after fifty yards.

And when 70 and more shots become common, the archery season will get shorter.

I think you will get different answers from different regions, depending on your set up for example I wouldn't trust shooting a mechanical Brodhead further then 80. It also comes down to what arrow are you shooting to if you shoot a IBO arrow and concentrate on speed your accuracy deminishes. So what it boils down to is with the correct set up you can kill out to where ever the arrow lands. But with that being said if you can't hold a group at 40 why try 70. The object is to harvest the deer ethically.

Interesting topic. I think a lot of people have a tendency to judge the abilities of others by measuring their own, OR, by reflection on their own experience. Both can provide deceiving results.

Some people have extraordinary abilities. (For the record, I am not one of them, but I have at least average ability with archery gear....and do not take shots beyond about 35 yards on whitetails. )

If you ever participate in a 3d shoot out West, it will open your eyes as to what can be done with the right sights, the right ability, and practice. The targets go from about 25 yards out to 110.

About 1/3 of all record book Muleys are taken beyond 45 yards...
http://www.bowhunter.com/huntingtips...e_on_deer0410/

I like the old adage that goes something like:

"Archery is about seeing how far you can get from the target and still hit it. Bow hunting is about getting so close you can't miss."

In my opinion (take it for what it's worth) people who don't get in close are cheating themselves out of the main thrill of bow hunting. When you can see eye lashes, when you can smell the animal...that's when the adrenaline starts to flow for me.

Regardless of how good you are, the chance of a wound or miss goes up with distance.

As for the "professionals", i.e. those who hunt for television shows...they are pressured to make a kill for the camera. If they don't, they loose viewers and sponsors. One of the main reasons I rarely watch them.

My longest kill was maybe 25 yds on a red fox several years ago. Closest was probably a whitetail at maybe 10 feet. My longest shot on a target was ranged at 165 yds...it was an elk target though, and it took me 5 arrows to hit it in the kill. That was with a longbow and wood arrows at the E.T.A.R. a few years ago, and I did have several witnesses. Not going to claim I could repeat it, but I did it once and had not practiced at anywhere near that distance.

Last year I won two novelty shoots at the same tournament...one was a deer at approximately 100 yds., the other a turkey at approximately 75 yds. More misses than hits, but I did hit both several times in a high wind. That was with a recurve bow at the Kentucky Tradfest. Won both targets. Hadn't been practicing long shots that time either.

I'm sure a skilled compound shooter with sights could out-shoot me on targets any day of the week. With a little practice, I'm sure I could shoot more accurately and further with a compound bow and sights.

I rather not go that route. Getting close...or at least trying...is a lot more fun and satisfying. Long shots are for rifles, at least for me.

I'm another one of those who feels that anytime you're shooting much beyond 40 yards, you're really hoping that the animal doesn't suddenly decide to take an unforeseen step forward just as the arrow starts on it's way. I have practiced out to 60 yards and one year when shooting extensively at that range, I didn't hesitate on a shot a deer at 40 yards that only went another 40 yards before tipping over. That same year, I felt extremely comfortable on a perfect 30 yard shot. Most of my shots fall in the 20-25 yard range. I always intend to go back to practicing long range so the 40 yard shots will at least feel like a high percentage shot - if all the other conditions are right. That hasn't happened the last few years and my longest practice shots are 45. I feel comfortable at 35 and under, but even if I could shoot 4" groups at 70 yards, I feel like it's taking a big risk for the animal to stay perfectly still while your arrow is travelling.