Justifying a bad shot
 

Did anyone see this? Apparently its OK to gut shoot deer, these days. Basically, this guy made a bad shot and spent the entire duration of the show justifying it as legitimate shot placement. He's been taking some heat over it, too.

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Yup I saw it.

Yes I did and could not believe what I was seeing!!!!!!

Was that guy serious.

I am stunned and saddened by that.

Me too. I actually went so far as to send a message to his sponsors about it.

I just worry that there will be people that watch that and think he knows what hes talking about...

Some people can justify anything, for the right price.

Neither buck in the video was in the right position to shoot...

Part of bowhunting is waiting until the animal is in the right position
or angle to take out both lungs...

If you don't have the discipline to wait for the shot, don't bowhunt....

I agree that this guy is promoting that hunters take a badly positioned shot (quartering towards) in which the VITALS are shielded by muscle and bone, rather than encouraging hunters to be responsible sportsmen and WAIT FOR THE SHOT TO PRESENT ITSELF - OR PASS ON THE SHOT...

It's almost humorous, but ultimately saddening and embarrassing to hear him say that there are "vitals on either side of a center punch." I guess my experience would not support that the large intestine was a "VITAL". If a 10yr old kid that had never hunted before grabbed an anatomy book and wondered where to place a shot, sure, maybe they'd think that gut shooting would equate a "vitals hit," but for a grown man and "experienced hunter" to make that statement is just horrifying.

Proof is in the pudding, one specific example from my own recent experience - last season my wife hit EXACTLY where the video illustrated. We tracked blood for a half-mile until 2am (impact at 5pm), then started again at 8am the next morning and made it another quarter mile with our dogs before we couldn't find the next drop (about 30yrds between the last two drips, the size of fly specs). About 3mos later, we found his skeleton while running hounds for coon another half mile away from where the blood had dried up, with the arrow shaft and broadhead plugged into the inside of the last rib. So yeah, sure, it killed him, even killed him pretty fast, and sure, we recovered the rack after all of the important part had rotted away, but he ran over a mile before he dropped and we didn't find him.

It's shameful to broadcast that kind of misrepresented information.

I think he did it for attention/shock value. He outright said it would be a "controversial" look at shot placement. Honestly, I think he made a bad shot on that deer and tried to sell it as a revolutionary new idea. I understand its hard to stay relevant in the competitive TV market, but this one blew up in his face and rightfully so. Since all the backlash has hit, he's started back-peddling pretty hard and saying he never meant to advocate gut shooting deer. Unfortunately for him, everyone already saw the graphics in the show and heard what he said about hitting intestines. I think it all would have gone better for him if he had admitted upfront that he made a bad shot and used it as a teachable moment, rather than playing it off as intentional. Then again, he could just be one of those scumbags that would shoot a deer in the guts on purpose - he wouldn't be the first "professional" hunter to be caught on record talking up gut shot deer.

Haven't seen it, not sure I want to.

Me neither, but I've read a lot of posts about it on several websites and it's about 99% negative just like here. This is the whole problem now where hunting is an "industry" to seel shows and products, rather than what it was when I was growing up many decades ago and all we had was a few great writers to rely on for knowledge and entertainment. Now every Moe, Larry, and Curlly is out there making TV shows and/or youtube videos and a good share of them flat out suck! If this guy is saying to do anything other than to wait for a good shot where you can tuck the aroww in close behind the shoulder blade for a double lung lights out shot in a few seconds, then he has no business saying anything!

Me neither, but I've read a lot of posts about it on several websites and it's about 99% negative just like here. This is the whole problem now where hunting is an "industry" instead of what it was when I was growing up many decades ago and all we had was a few great writers to rely on for knowledge and entertainment. Now every Moe, Larry, and Curlly is out there making TV shows and/or youtube videos and a good share of them flat out suck! If this guy is saying to do anything other than to wait for a good shot where you can tuck the arrow in close behind the shoulder blade for a double lung lights out shot in a few seconds, then he has no business saying anything!

WOW!!!!! I really like that show, BUT?

Hatchet Jack

yup .

That guy should not have a show where he is giving hunting advise.

I wonder if he is justifying a bad shot, or if he really believes in it?

I read an article a couple years ago from an outfitter in a midwest state. They encourage their clients to take gut shot. It's the bigger target. They had a 100% recovery on the gut shot deer. They would just wait 12-24 hours before tracking.. Interesting read but I would never purposefully shoot a deer outside of the lungs/heart/kidney!

I do understand the worry of hitting shoulder though. I've lost more deer than I care to say in my first few years of bowhunting due to shoulder shots. I think the best shot placement is quartered away. If I can bust through the back side of that wall that separates the guts from vitals, Thats what I prefer. Dead animal within 30 seconds!

That's because he's back peddling now.Earlier,He did in fact say he had no problems hitting a deer through the intenstines since he's using a big mechanical.The guy is a tool that gives every ethical hunter a bad name.Did you watch the actual show?He intentionally shot the der low in the guts and tried to pass it off as a liver hit.

I found the "part 1" and I would agree that illustration is horrible advice

The actual show was just as bad,if not worse than the 1st video.

I deleted my disagreements based on finding that first video...That is just to far back. Basically aiming for the liver.

I do however agree with shooting well behind the shoulder.

To be honest I think what he is suggesting is just about equivalent to suggesting aiming right directly behind the shoulder. Aim dead in the middle of where Perez suggest and the shoulder blade and you have forgiveness both ways.

I can only hope that is what he actually meant and the illustration was a little off as the illustration in the 1st part put the x right on the liver of a quartering to deer and that is crazy.

I watched this video and the subsequent one too. He is NOT advocating a gut shot. What he is saying is to avoid the shoulder by aiming a bit farther back than what you have been taught years ago. Just a couple inches farther back. That way if you torque your bow or for some reason off a bit you will still hit left of your mark (on a left facing deer) you will still double lung it, if you hit right you will hit the liver. Both vital shots with the liver shot you will need more time for the animal to expire. With the same scenario if you aim tight behind the shoulder and hit left of your mark you could imbed your broadhead into the shouder without enough penetration to enter the vitals causing the animal undue suffering. That is all that he is saying. I would never intentionally aim to center of body but midway between center of body and leg crease.

The first video was a trailer for the show. He outright stated that he was aiming for liver and that he was not afraid to hit intestines. The graphics in the first video and the show put the green area in the intestines.

I totally agree that it's not a good idea to crowd the shoulder, but that was clearly NOT his intended message. Remember, he said he was gonna shake things up with his revolutionary new look at shot placement. The second video was him backtracking completely, because of the number of people who were calling him out on the garbage he spewed on TV.

Remember, he said he was gonna shake things up with his revolutionary new look at shot placement. The second video was him backtracking completely, because of the number of people who were calling him out on the garbage he spewed on TV.

Correct,there's nothing new and revolutionary about aiming for the middle of the lungs.He's was saying to aim for the liver and if you hit gut's that's ok if you're using a big mechanical.

He definitely wasn't waiting for the 'quartering away' angle that offers the best opportunity at the vitals. I won't condemn him for his tactics but they aren't ones that I would employ.
He does use the same mechanical broadhead that I do ... Rocket Aeroheads.
But that is where the parallel of our bowhunting ends!