One pin for any distance?
I know there are bow sights out there that use one pin and rely on the hunter to dail in the yardage such are the precesion sight. I was wondering if any has used this or have had luck with it? Thanks!
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not me. i use multi pin sight. my first pin is good 0-30 yards though.
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are you asking if they make adjustable sights? like that such as HHA(and others) makes?
I use a single pin and love it, never plan on going back to multi pin. |
Im talking about the sights where you range the yardage then move the dail to that yardage. I know lee and Tiffany off "The Crush" use to shoot it. Basically you move the pin to the correct yardage before every shot.
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Originally Posted by Hunt or Die
(Post 3947435)
Im talking about the sights where you range the yardage then move the dail to that yardage. I know lee and Tiffany off "The Crush" use to shoot it. Basically you move the pin to the correct yardage before every shot.
Before that I shot a 5 pin sight. My top pin was set at 25 yards and I used it out to 30. Now I just set my adjustable sight to 25 yards for hunting. |
unless the deer is walking towards or away from you. then you have to keep figiting with your sight or "guess" by holding over or under. imo adjustable sights have no place in hunting...they require more movement and more moving parts that can go wrong. if you want to spend twice as much on one and chance your hunt, go right ahead, i'll stick to my dependable, tried and true fixed pins. i know once i draw, there is no need to let my string down to adjust my sight on a walking deer or "guessing" by holding over or under. good luck with your purchase.
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To say that adjustable giths have no place in the hunting field is bordering on outright arrogance or lack of personal experience. I'd have to ask if you have ever spent any real amount of time (months) using one of them or better yet hunted with one to know what they are all about.
I've bowhunted for almost 40 years and used both type of sights. Add a few of the early pendulums to that as well. They all have their place in bowhunting or so many wouldn't be using them. For most hardwoods hunting with most of today's bows there is very little need of multiple pin sights. Nationwide the average deer is shot at 18 to 22 yards, a statistic that hasn't changed much since I began bowhunting. To that end the vast majority of shots can be done with a single pin sight. Whether it be a multipin sight with all but one removed or an adjustable sight set for a specific yardage is irrelevant. I've done a lot of testing and practiced what I learned and the fact is any bow shooting about 260 fps or above can be used with a single pin set for 25 yards to cover distances almost 0 to 30 yards with little or no holdover on deer sized game. The high point of the arc will be just about 2" at 18 yards and there will be 3" of drop at 30 yards. Hold the middle of the vitals and shoot. The only thing to be determined is whether the deer is within 30 yards. It's so simple even a cave man could do it No range finder needed.. As with anything in this shooting sport if done over and over for a long period of time things become automatic, just like establishing good shooting form and/or anchor points. What about older gents like me? I used to shoot multipin sights, but with older eyes and the need of reading glasses those pins are blurry. So blurry that they look like one long multicolored line instead of individual pins. Single pin works OK, even though I have to use a smaller peep and the last few years a Specialty peep with Verifier. The moveable sight allows me to practice at whatever distances I desire and then set it for that 25 yards for hunting. You know, there are those of us who shoot at times other than hunting season. Fact is I shoot almost daily. But I guess guys like me shouldn't be allowed to hunt because our bow sight has no place in the hunting woods. |
My expereince is much like BGfisher's. I started bow hunting deer in earnest back in 1962. Due to a tough shoulder injury in 2009, I now am a "Cross-Bow" hunter. Like many old dudes like me I started with a stick and over the past 30-40-50 years transitioned to a "high tech" compound. My last bow was a Mathews SQ2 set at about 65#, 29" draw sung matched carbon shafts and a 125 gr. Thunderghead.
I never measured the actual velocity of any set-up that I had. I loved shooting and practiced an insaane amount for years and years. I shot instuictive for decades. I started with a pin sight system probably around 1980. I found that multiple pin set ups were somewhat distracting and soon worked towards a single fixed pin. I hunt white tails and feral hogs in the SE USA. I hunt in the woods most of the time and from a tree stand of some sort ...usually 15-25 feet off the forest floor. "Clear" shots I will get will seldom exceed 45 yards. I have stayed with a self imposed limit of about 40 yards max. since way back when. And frankly have taken maybe 6-10 shots past that length in nearly 50 years of bow hunting. The SQ2 was plenty fast enough for me to easily manage a one pin (not adjustable) system. Just took my normal 3-4 days each week of practice to stay good to go. I cannot imagine how I could manage an adjustable type pin .... I guess that would have taken practice too. Usually by the time I spotted the deer slipping along, waited for a good angle and released ... I would have been hard pressed to make any adjustment other than to settle the pin in for the shot. Then again I am an old dude and new fangled stuff don't come easy for me to try. Lord only knows how long it took me to switch from aluminum to carbon shafts !!! About as long as it did for me to switch from wooden to aluminum I reckon. |
Originally Posted by BGfisher
(Post 3947489)
To say that adjustable giths have no place in the hunting field is bordering on outright arrogance or lack of personal experience. I'd have to ask if you have ever spent any real amount of time (months) using one of them or better yet hunted with one to know what they are all about.
I've bowhunted for almost 40 years and used both type of sights. Add a few of the early pendulums to that as well. They all have their place in bowhunting or so many wouldn't be using them. For most hardwoods hunting with most of today's bows there is very little need of multiple pin sights. Nationwide the average deer is shot at 18 to 22 yards, a statistic that hasn't changed much since I began bowhunting. To that end the vast majority of shots can be done with a single pin sight. Whether it be a multipin sight with all but one removed or an adjustable sight set for a specific yardage is irrelevant. I've done a lot of testing and practiced what I learned and the fact is any bow shooting about 260 fps or above can be used with a single pin set for 25 yards to cover distances almost 0 to 30 yards with little or no holdover on deer sized game. The high point of the arc will be just about 2" at 18 yards and there will be 3" of drop at 30 yards. Hold the middle of the vitals and shoot. The only thing to be determined is whether the deer is within 30 yards. It's so simple even a cave man could do it No range finder needed.. As with anything in this shooting sport if done over and over for a long period of time things become automatic, just like establishing good shooting form and/or anchor points. What about older gents like me? I used to shoot multipin sights, but with older eyes and the need of reading glasses those pins are blurry. So blurry that they look like one long multicolored line instead of individual pins. Single pin works OK, even though I have to use a smaller peep and the last few years a Specialty peep with Verifier. The moveable sight allows me to practice at whatever distances I desire and then set it for that 25 yards for hunting. You know, there are those of us who shoot at times other than hunting season. Fact is I shoot almost daily. But I guess guys like me shouldn't be allowed to hunt because our bow sight has no place in the hunting woods. which is why i stated my comment was my opinion (imo). if you like single sliders and guessing shots (holding over and under) more power to you, i don't like guessing. i have used a slider many years ago and i hated it for hunting. the reason they are popular these days is because paid hunters like Lee and Tiffany use them. when celeb's get payed to push products, others will follow suit. i can't tell you how many threads i have seen on other forums where hunters/shooters are trying to find out what equipment certain celeb's use. almost as if they will instantly become a better shooter if they have the new Spott Hogg Pimp Daddy Single Slider that Lee Lakowski was using last week....rofl. WHO CARES! try out what you want and see if it works for you. the sliders didn't work for me 20 years ago when i tried them in hunting situations. i shoot with 4 pins (30, 40, 50 and 60 yard pins) and prefer this set up. like i said, In My Opinion, sliders are not good for hunting...can they be used, yes. if you like them, then shoot them. when it comes to bow hunting, simple is better because bow hunters are already behind the 8 ball with variables. good hunting and have fun! |
Wow. Good points made here. But why the name calling and the " poor me" attitude. He made the statement " my opinion ". All archery gear related reviews and comments are just opinion. NOW in my opinion i prefer fixed pin sights. Less. movement
and easy gap yardage. |
I went with a red dot scope many years ago. It obviously has one dot and doesn't adjust. If I went back to pins it would be a single non-adjustable pin.
Just like a shot gun with the one bead, you adjust where on the target you aim based on distance. To sight it in, you stand 10' away from your target at shooting level and zero your arrow in. This I have found puts you dead on at 22 yards. From there it's a minor, aim a little high for 30 to 40 yards. Much cleaner IMO. |
I use a Multi-Pin slide that is one of a kind(sort of)..A copper John Mark IV slider bracket with a Copper John Mark I housing with 3 pins in it..25,35 an 42yrds(hold over for 50yrds)..The slider is set to the bottom pin for long range shooting when not hunting..
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Originally Posted by ohio mossy oak
(Post 3947561)
I use a Multi-Pin slide that is one of a kind(sort of)..A copper John Mark IV slider bracket with a Copper John Mark I housing with 3 pins in it..25,35 an 42yrds(hold over for 50yrds)..The slider is set to the bottom pin for long range shooting when not hunting..
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Originally Posted by CamoCop
(Post 3947524)
...if you like single sliders and guessing shots (holding over and under) more power to you, i don't like guessing. i have used a slider many years ago and i hated it for hunting. the reason they are popular these days is because paid hunters like Lee and Tiffany use them. when celeb's get payed to push products, others will follow suit. i can't tell you how many threads i have seen on other forums where hunters/shooters are trying to find out what equipment certain celeb's use. almost as if they will instantly become a better shooter if they have the new Spott Hogg Pimp Daddy Single Slider that Lee Lakowski was using last week....rofl. WHO CARES! try out what you want and see if it works for you. the sliders didn't work for me 20 years ago when i tried them in hunting situations. i shoot with 4 pins (30, 40, 50 and 60 yard pins) and prefer this set up. like i said, In My Opinion, sliders are not good for hunting...can they be used, yes. if you like them, then shoot them. when it comes to bow hunting, simple is better because bow hunters are already behind the 8 ball with variables. good hunting and have fun!
If I have a deer out at 40 and he's moving quickly enough that I don't have time to make that quick adjustment then I probably shouldn't be taking that shot anyway. I don't know of a single TV personality that uses a Trijicon Accupin, so I don't believe that I jumped on any bandwagon. Bottom line is that for me (that means IMO) a single pin slider works just fine for hunting, especially one that is permanently illuminated. :D |
I have a new sight this year, the G5 with one fixed pin (once i finish sighting it in will know its best spot 25 or 30)and it has one "floating pin" which i will leave set at prob 40yrds after i finsh sighting it in(hopeing my 1st pin will be 0-30yrds. I was using trophy ridge pendulum/movable sight really liked the one pin. nice clean FOV and just more comfortable for me to use. was not crazy about pendulum so this G5 sight is best of both worlds.. well atleast i will find out in 3months!!
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I have shot one fixed pin for many years now. I went to multi pin in 2010 just to try it again. Well, I am back to one pin. I can count the number of deer I have taken outside of 25 yards on one hand. All of my deer have been around 17 yards. The deer in my avatar was at 14 yards. I am also contemplating going to one of the HHA sights. But, just have not settled on it yet. What I like does not reflect on what somebody else should like. So shoot what you like or works the best for you.
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Originally Posted by CamoCop
(Post 3947480)
unless the deer is walking towards or away from you. then you have to keep figiting with your sight or "guess" by holding over or under. imo adjustable sights have no place in hunting...they require more movement and more moving parts that can go wrong. if you want to spend twice as much on one and chance your hunt, go right ahead, i'll stick to my dependable, tried and true fixed pins. i know once i draw, there is no need to let my string down to adjust my sight on a walking deer or "guessing" by holding over or under. good luck with your purchase.
I can also tell you that if your scare a deer away while moving the pin up or down to adjust for a shot, that you need some serious practice. It takes one finger to move a pin up or down. Also, saying that the only reason they're popular is because people on TV shows use them is ludicrous. I use it, because for me, it's the most accurate, easy to use sight that i've found. also you get a better view of the target with just one pin, instead of having 3, 5 or more pins in the way of what you're shooting at. Use what you want to use, but don't say that something has no place in hunting, you can ask the two pope and youngs i got last year if single pin movable sights don't work well for hunting.... |
I have a Tru-Glo single pin Brite Sight on two different bows . Easy and quick to adjust . No problem . I have taken deer anywhere from 7 to 35 yards . I don't see a need for a bunch of pins ( my opinion ) .
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Some interesting posts here !
Used a Cobra multi pin for a long while, hunting in SA, and then I was introduced to single pins - I havent looked back since ! I use a HHA (0.010 pin ) guys, there is NO BETTER ! Generally shoot at 25 yds and less, and as such my slider stays on 20 yds - at these ranges, my trajectory is so flat, that the diff b/n a 15 yd shot and a 25 yd shot is no more than an inch or so. Once you've shot a single pin, you wont want to shoot a Multi ! Just my 2 cents worth guys |
Originally Posted by AR Bowhunter
(Post 3947718)
I have shot one fixed pin for many years now. I went to multi pin in 2010 just to try it again. Well, I am back to one pin. I can count the number of deer I have taken outside of 25 yards on one hand. All of my deer have been around 17 yards. The deer in my avatar was at 14 yards. I am also contemplating going to one of the HHA sights. But, just have not settled on it yet. What I like does not reflect on what somebody else should like. So shoot what you like or works the best for you.
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one more suggestion
Nothing against slide sites etc, just something I started doing as I have a problem telling distances. As a deers chest is close to 16" in the area I hunt, I used two pins. At 20 yards, if I put the top pin on the deers back and the bottom pin is at the bottom of his chest the deer is approximetly 20 yards out. If the chest fits well within the two pins, the deer is over 25 yards out. Of course the size of the deer changes things, but it helps me guestimate distance. As the years have gone by, I'm much better at distances, I bought a range finder. :biggrin: I've still stuck with the two pins and kept my shots within 30 yards.
My recommendation for you is to find something your comfortable with and stick with it. |
It all depends on where you hunt if you hunt woods then you rarely shoot past 25/30 yards so you can use a single fixed pin..but for me i rarely shoot past 20 yards in the woods..so it all depends.
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Just recently bought the HHA. I LOVE it. Not only is it easier for me to see the lone green vertical pin (I've always found green to be much more visible to me than red or yellow, which is standard on most multi-pin sights & the vertical pin acts almost like a crosshair as opposed to coming in horizontally), I've found that I've become much more accurate at longer yardage than I have ever been.
I will say I haven't used it hunting yet, but am getting pretty good at adjusting the dial very quickly and quietly. I also agree with several previous posters that if you just set it 25 when hunting, you should be good out to 30, and is really no different than "gapping" a multi pin sight. |
i use a multiple pin sight with 5 pins. i thought about upgrading to a one pin sight like your talking about but im shootin dip cans out to 50 yards and didnt want the hassle of sighting it in that good again. I met a guy at a local bow range couple days ago that just put one on his bow and he said he loves it. he did have a multiple pin sight before that and said he doesnt regret changing sights so i guess he like it. I guess it whatever the shooter likes.
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Bone driven, it's actually very easy to sight in. One pin, 10 feet away from your target on the same horizontal axis with the bulls eye will put you dead on at 22 to 25 yards. It's sweet.
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