Muzzy vs. Rage
 

Last season i finally harvested my first deer with a bow..bad part is i shot him in the rump.. Not to take all the bad credit from my nerves and me but i belive it was some what due to my broadhead.. I shot slick trick four blades..my arrows would whip soo bad! So i decided to make myself a more ethical hunter nd find tht broadhead that made me better.. So ive come down to muzzy 3 blade or rage 3 blade...plz help!!! I wanna hear all good nd bad statements bout both broadheads..plz help me in my pursuit to become a more ethical hunter.. Thx nd god bless america!!!

The broadhead or ethics had nothing to do with you shooting that deer in the azz...

Arrows and broadheads have to be tuned to a bow...If they are not, they don't fly properly...

That deer was hit poorly because of the shooters ignorance...

Any of the above broadheads and dozens of others do their job when the hunter
does his...

Basically a problem I see, . . .
 

is many just avoid becoming the best shot you can, with practice, using field points on a target. Of course, some hunters will put all the pressure on the hunting broadhead, with little or no practice.

A lot of broadheads don't work, effectively, because the "archer" wanted to avoid using those less expensive field points in practice.

he advised that it was his first bow buck and at least he is looking for help.

i switched to the rage broadhead and like them. they shot more like my field tips so there was less ajustment to my bow when i switched over. might try your local bow shop and see what they can do to help with your set up.

Thx bigredtl..i never said it wasnt any of my fault but i want to feel more secure about how im shooting nd im 17 workin two jobs i dnt hve all the money in the world nor all the time..but i do no my arrows whiped and i spent hours tuning my bow the problem was the whip..i hit a dot at 20 yards but it whiped all the way there... So if its whipping and spinnin in a big circle look at how big of a diff.. A yard can make!....i shot my buck at fifteen yards..AND YES NERVES HAD ALOT TO DO WITH IT! it was my FIRST buck..back to the subkect rage or muzzy?

When you hunt with your equipment that is not tuned properly, you are asking for a bad shot on that animal. In other words your an unethical hunter.

I shoot rage but I don't shoot them in the azz

Wow give the kid a break. I'm sure he will learn from his mistake, we all made them just starting out. Hey KID brunsc make sure your bow is tuned and your arrows are flying straight the next time you go hunting. If it was me I would stick to the Slick Tricks, can't go wrong with the muzzys . YOU MUST GET THAT BOW STRAIGHT , any good broadhead will kill a deer with a well tuned bow. You will also need thick skin to hang around this Bowhunting site!!!! It went to the DOG's the last few years!!!! LOL Good Luck!!

Hatchet Jack

Ok how am i an unethical hunter!! Bc i made a mistake? Ok it happens to everyone? Ya i shot my buck in the azz but it dnt make me unethical! FISHINTY one thing is ur a huge idoil of what not to be when i become a better hunter! Raggin on me for my first mistake? U no the future of hunting is made from mistakes..we all learn..ok? Hunting is about over coming all obsticules! Get over ur self im trying to learn..and thank you so much for the KIND ADVISE tht some people dnt no how to give..thx soo much hatchet jack!! :)

If you want to go mechanical and looking at rages, then go with the 2 blade. Stay away from the 3 blade, have read alot of posts and seen first hand the 3 blades failing to fully open.

I have shot the 2 blades for going on my 3rd season and am a big fan of em. For the record I've got a few arrows tipped with G5 Montec CS's in the quiver that are now reserved for critters...

On my wife's bow she has muzzy 4 blades on em, they shoot well for her and do their part.

Both BH's you'll find people either adamantly love or hate em. If you do your part by practicing, have your bow in tune, and BH Tune before hunting (just to name a few things) then the BH choice is insignificant.

While working at an archery shop we saw more customers win the lottery then have BH and field points shoot the same with no tuning needed by the customer. Mechanicals help reduce the discrepancy and are a easier to tune as a result, but BH tuning is still needed. It is very simple to do as well...

Broadhead questions
 

Brunsc, The best advice I have is to take your bow into a good shop and have it setup and properly checked out. If it was setup in a shop already then I would find another bow shop to use. A good bow tech would never allow a bow to go out the door wagging arrows around. As far as broadheads go, I would not try to make a broadhead responsible for and correct the bows inadequacies. I happen to shoot muzzy 3 blades myself but if I wanted to shoot rages it would'nt be because my bow made me do it. without beating this thing in the dirt you can see that a well tuned bow will shoot any broadhead you choose.

Re: broadhead
 

Tell us what type of arrows, is your draw length correct?

Re: broadhead
 

Like everyone's tellin ya..... it's not the broadhead. My advice would be to go with the Muzzy because it's a simple more fail safe design. But FIRST! practice, practice, practice. Sounds like you need to have someone with some experience take a look at your setup........ could be anything from improperly spined arrows, to your rest being off center, nocking point, poor form(anchor point, draw length) or maybe a little of each.

Take your bow and arrows to your local shop and ask them to check your setup and maybe watch you shoot a few arrows.

Maybe this shouldn't be on the archery page but I bought a new rifle and scope. I mounted the scope and zeroed at 25 yards. I shot a buck in the leg at 250 yards. Can someone tell me a better bullet to shoot for better accuracy?

Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm an ass sometimes.

muzzy vs. rage
 

first,I am happy to hear your a new bowhunter,the more the merrier.as for your shooting and broadheads,we owe it to the animal,and to the future of our sport,to make clean ,ethical kills.the first thing required is..practice,and more practice.you should be able to put arrows into a 4' circle consistentlyat your max range.if your arrows are fishtailing thats never going to happen.go to a reputable shop and have them tune your setup.good luck and good hunting!

I think im going to go with my rage broadheads..thx to all those people who helped and didnt cridisize me..proud to be part of the bowhunter group!!

A 4 foot circle? That's a pretty big kill zone for whitetails. The kill zone for the Moose and Caribou up here isn't even that big. Brunsc, do some research on here. Search for bow tuning on this site and others. You don't need to take your bow to any shop to get it tuned. I understand you are only 17 and working two jobs but you don't need to pay $150 per dozen for arrows or $50 for broadheads or any of these high dollar lasers and such. People have been killing deer for years without any of this stuff. There are plenty of good arrows, broadheads and other accessories that won't break the bank and do the job fine. Make sure your arrows are spined properly and take your time tuning your set up. The most expensive equipment in the world will not help you shoot any better if your setup isn't tuned. I was joking in my last post but that was in effect what you were asking. Buy the best that you can afford and tune those in and your good. Make sure your arrows are cut to the proper length and practice on your form. It's just like shooting a rifle, you want to have the same sight picture everytime you shoot.

Its a 4 in circle

I believe he's aware of that. Read the last last sentence in his previous post.:biggrin:

Brunsc - just out of curiosity, what's your draw weight and draw length on your bow?

55 pound nd 29 draw lenghth

I'm not trying to make things more complicated for you, but I wouldn't shoot Rage broadheads with that setup. Rage is a good broadhead, but it takes a lot of energy to push that steep cutting angle far enough into the deer and I really don't believe that you have it.

Also, you said that you were shooting Slick Trick 4 blades. You're already shooting one of the best broadheads out there. I shoot the same broadhead and out of a well tuned bow they fly awesome. This also pretty much applies to any broadhead these days.

As some others have eluded to - you need to make sure that your bow is tuned. If it's not tuned properly your arrow is going to come off the bow wrong and you'll never get things worked out. Secondly, make sure that your arrows are spined properly for your bow. If they're too stiff or not stiff enough you'll never get your bow to shoot broadheads well.

Another thing with broadheads. You might know this already, but don't just screw them onto your arrow, put the arrow in the quiver and think you're ready to hunt. ALL broadhead tipped arrows should be spin tested to make sure that the point is perfectly aligned with the shaft. That is critical. Think about it: Putting a broadhead on an arrow is like putting wings on the front. If your broadhead is pointing ever so slightly one way or another then that broadhead is going to steer that arrow in that direction. Just a tiny bit off and you can miss by a huge margin. It's just my opinion, but I think that everyone should invest in a decent arrow spinner. They don't cost much and they make a world of difference.

To wrap this up, I guarantee you that if you get your bow tuned, make sure you've got the right arrows and spin test your broadheads then your Slick Trick tipped arrows will hit VERY close to your field points if not right with them. If you're dead set on changing heads, however, then I'd definitely choose the Muzzy over the Rage.

I shoot Muzzy 3-blade. They do fine when placed in the boiler room. I believe they can kill a deer quicker than a slug. I have friends that use Slick Tricks. The only knowledge I have of Rage is that one of my buddies missed a shot at a huge whitetail because the Rage broadhead opened prematurely while drawing the bow.

The red squiggly line appearing under the words you type is indicating that you don't know how to spell worth a crap. Stay in school and pay attention. It appears you have a problem with that because I have yet to read any of your replies agreeing to the majority of the advice to get your bow tuned. I believe your bow/arrow setup is incorrect. You need to follow the advice of the replies and look into your setup.

hey guys ,i hope you all know that I meant 4" circle
thanks,one embarassed carpenter.ok everybody laugh now!

I shot muzzy 125 3 blade all my life bowhunting, last year I switched to Rage with all the hype, LOVE EM!! rage 3 blade, if you dont get a clean pass through with a Rage there is no worries, never had problem with the blades expanding on impact, and when they do...you got a blood trail that is easy to follow...that is if you need it!!!!

I also recommend the Muzzy 3 blade - 100 grain. Especially for the 55 lbs draw weight.

I shot the 2 blade rage last year...holy crap do they leave a hole...looks like someone hit the critter with a hatchet

I can remember in my early days of bow hunting thinings how some heads just "flew bad". What I later learned was you have to tune your bow properly. I took up bow hunting and didnt really have anyone to show me the right way but I learned as I went. My first bow shot on a doe was looking straight at me and I hit her at the base of the neck. I didnt know better.

What Im getting at is many of us went down the same road and there is much to learn. Tuning a broadhead is part of it. Using a mechanical to get better flight isn't the answer because you will still be losing a lot of energy from an out of tune arrow.

There are good tuning guides on the web here is a great one... http://www.eastonarchery.com/pdf/tuning_guide.pdf

Don't take shortcuts and find time to practice and tune your equipment. We owe it to the animals we hunt.

Trading in bow?
 

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first of all i want to say thanks to the author of this thread....this my first post on this site and now i know definately NOT to ask for advice or help on here because u will get bashed for it and called names...i thought hunters were supposed to stick together and help each other out...rage broadheads r great man...goodluck!!

Obviously the issue is NOT the b-head as the Slick Trick is known throughout the industry as one of THE best flying b-head you could find. As some have mentioned, you MUST tune your rig. If you don't know how to do this then you must seek out the help of your nearest Pro Shop.

Once you get your rig flawlessly tuned, you'll be able to shoot ANY b-head you want to the same point of impact as your fieldpoints.

Also, as some have mentioned..... I don't think a large cutting mech b-head like the Rage would be the best choice for your lower poundage equipment and your lack of experience. Shoot a fixed blade and go for maximum penetration. I think you'll be more pleased with the results.

Good luck this season

Brunsc first off S%&T happens so just learn from your mistake. after all without failure we wouldn't have success. And as for your rage or muzzy . i would say rage for field point accuracy and Muzzy for Performace. I personally use Grim Reapers and i am going to try 2 blade bloodrunners this year. Good luck with your decision!

Like some said already, proper tuning and shot placement play a large factor, more so than the broadhead you choose. Either of those broadheads can and will do the job if placed correctly.

Yeah man, practice, practice and then if the time is right when hunting watch the animal long enough to get those initial jetters calmed down before you set your mind to pull the string back.

But I haven't made the move to mechanicals, I figure worked for centuries, why change it. Do know that your arrows will fly and shoot differently with a broadhead than a field point regardless if your field point weight is the same as your broadhead.

These bashers have never made poor shots, all of their shots have have hit both lungs every time!

I have always shot muzzy 3 blades, may change this year, but have still practiced the same as always. Season gets here I haven't bought anything new, then the muzzy will make another season for me.