The New Hoyt Carbon Element VS. The Mathews X7
 

I was looking into buying that new Hoyt Carbon Element, Was wanting to know from all the hoyt fans if it was worth the investment since it is the price of a good huntin truck. I want to know all the pro's and con's of this bow please good or bad notes would be greatly appreciated. I would also like to know what you think on the Mathews X7 if it might be in any comparrison Thank You For any comments you may have....

Best advice would be to get out to the pro shops and shoot as many bows you can and make your own judgement. It does not matter what anyone else has to say about a bow its what u like and what is best for you as far as fit,feel,shootability.....

I think last month's outdoor life had a run down and review on all the big bow makers with reviews on the element and the X7 among others. From what I recall the element was much faster than the X7. Brace height would be something I would consider in a purchase. Getting speed without going under 7" would be my goal.

Mathews man here.

X2. Same here.:guiness:

I went out and recently bought a new bow and shot all of the high end bows, this is what I thought.

Let me preface this by saying I'm not a bow expert and I may use wrong terminology, this is just how everything felt to me.


I didn't like the Extreme Z7 I thought it was just to dang short, but I did like the Z7 and although I find them very front heavy is has a great draw and it a fun bow to shoot. The Z7 just felt like the right size bow whereas the Extreme Z7 just felt too small. This bow's draw was very nice and once at full draw the front heavy feeling goes away.

The Element and the CRX were very very high on my list IF I would have had a 28" draw. Since I have a 27" draw I have to use the Hoyt #2 Cams and it completely changed how the draw cycles felt on the bows. After some love from the Dr on my shoulder I had to buy a bow that was smooth as butter. I also liked the Hoyt grip the most. I would have bought the Hoyt if I had a 28" Draw.

Bowtech Invasion, this is what I ended up purchasing. Of all the bows when I picked it up I liked how then felt and sat in my hand. The draw cycle on this bow seems to be rather linear and didn't seem to spike in the middle like the Hoyt did with the #2 Cam. This is a very balanced bow and I choose it because it was the easiest on my shoulder and it was also really fun to shoot.

Mathews
 

MATHEWS SWITCHBACK XT

I have a great amount of experience with the Mathews Z7 series and proudly shoot them.... however, they simply can NOT compare to the Hoyt Carbon Element for 2011. The Element feels simply incredible in hand, balances like a dream and is absolutely DEAD in the hand! It's smooth, fast and silent.... Hoyt has hit a homerun with it's Element this season!

In my humble opinion, my beloved Z7 has fell down the scale a long ways for 2011. My top picks this year are the Hoyt Carbon Element, BowTech Invasion and the PSE EVO.

Good luck and good shootin'

Shot em all till 2006....Been a Mathews man ever since. Z7-Xtreme IMO no comparison. Nuff Said!!!

You didn't shoot an element until 2006.

The hoyt carbon bows are the first true advancement in archery in a long time.

Manufacturers is what I was implying there Tfox.....Just take an overall look at who wins more tournaments in the sport of Archery. I say again Mathews nuff said.

You may want to do a little more research on that subject. Yes mathews owns the the 3d world, basically due to having the most shooters. Hoyt owns the target world outside of 3d, pretty much for the same reasons. They have more of the best shooters.

Don't you think people that win any of the major tournys could win with another brand of bow?

If that was directed toward me, you may want to read the part of my post that says Hoyt has the best shooters, that is why they have more wins.

However, I do feel that Hoyt has a much better target selection than any other manufacturer going right now.

I tried to like and buy the Z7 and the Hoyt Maxxis but neither worked for me. Shoot all you can and make a decision that way. Do not go by marketing hype, people are paid to advertise.

As others have said, go for what feels the best for you. If you're willing to drop 2k on a bow, and that's the one that feels best to you, more power to ya.

As far as "most tourney wins" yada yada yada, there's more to a hunting bow than accuracy. Yes, you definately need that, but speed and silence are just as important. I haven't shot either of the bows mentioned, mostly because I can't afford either right now and don't want to be yearning for a better bow than my HavocTec. That said, I'd be willing to bet that they're both comparable, but Hoyt has taken the initiative to innovate new technology, rather than just building on old technology. Most of the reviews would suggest that's the case, and to argue otherwise is just Mathews bias.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/ga...o=4#1001344415


Read the above article

Hmm, advertising at work. It does wonder on the masses. Amazes me.

Kinda reminds of the T/C Encore. They actually thru mass advertising convinced folks that a breakopen polk stalker with a much weaker system is superior to a bolt. And in the end you had a 600 dollar polk stalker.

Really,Life magazine. Nice try.:biggrin:

Typical mathews fanboy response.:happy0001:

Wow, Fanboys unite.....:s8:

:D

I've shot the Z7 and the Carbon Element, I wouldn't even look at a Z7 Extreme because it's too damn short for an adult shooter... Bowtech sells speeds, Mathews sells SHORT bows, near as I can tell the only one left of the "Big 3" sells functional bows. That may sound biased to some, but when comparing the selection available from the 3 (I left out Bear, Ross, PSE, and a few others, but they are not quite in the conversation when talking about the "Big 3"), Hoyt has the MOST to offer, especially when you start looking at LONG DRAW bows. I personally didn't like the Carbon Element that much, better than a Z7, but not as "great" as I'd expected from the hype.

Each of us must choose the "right bow" on our own based upon our personal feel. For me it's a tough sell that anything on the market is any better than the custom set-up I'm shooting right now. Maybe this fall, when the '12's come out something will impress me, but for now, I'm quite please with what I have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIONBn4Vs40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4-np...feature=fvwrel

With all due respect, the maxxis is not an element. I had a maxxis 31 and AM 35. I sold the maxxis. Imo, not one of hoyts better offerings. The element, on the other hand is the best hunting bow I have shot. And I get more impressed with it everyday.

If I had a 28" draw I would have bought the Hoyt CRX with the #3 cams, I really liked the draw cycle on it felt the best of any bow I shot. But, since my mom is a midget and I get that end of the stick I have a 27" draw and the CRX with the Hoyt #2 cams didn't feel nearly as good.

I 2nd that on the Hoyt CRX. I like the carbon Element for a few reasons. Its a great shooting bow and I do like the uniqueness. Its lighter and wont be cold to the touch in the winter. BUT, after shooting the CRX and knowing its price is considerable less, I would have to say shoot that HOYT CRX before you decide.

That CRX is a smooth shooter and a great deal in that price range.


But, on the other hand I always believe in getting what you want or you will not be happy. If you have the cash for the Element and a couple hundred to add on sights, rest, etc then I would go with that bow.

Preference
 

I own both, bought the Z7 last year when it came out after shooting the Drenalin. I took 10 deer this past season with the Z7 --- and was pretty much die-hard Mathews. The Element (and previous Matrix) got my attention (thru the massive marketing) and decided to try it at my local range and really liked it. The draw cycles are totally different. The Mathews tends to feel like a deeper and quicker valley, the Element is a bit more gradual. The big difference is the wall at full draw, the Z7 is a bit more forgiving, the Element is tight. I like both appreciate the differences. I like having the option of a shorter bow for small ground blinds (Z7) and the slightly longer (and lighter) length in the Element for still hunting and tree stands. Also, the grips are wholly unique...Z7 has a thicker wood handle, Element is rubber and narrow, which feels different when wearing heavier gloves. Both are great bows, and I agree that the power of marketing and brand loyalty can have a powerful effect on our individual psyches. Both bows chrono about the same @ 70 lbs, I shoot a heavier arrow at 440 gr, but I get great speed @ around 280-285 fps. Try both, see what suits YOU, not what others say...your downed trophy doesn't know the difference.

Shot em all till 2006....Been a Mathews man ever since. Z7-Xtreme IMO no comparison. Nuff Said!!!