bigcountry

Why is the weapon of choice arguement silly? Bow season is eitehr about tradition or its not. Its about doing things that takes a bit more effort or its not. Its that simple. If its only about getting new hunters, and deer mgmt then, sure weapon of choice.

I sure don't want weapon of choice, I want it be about tradition, doing something that takes some effort. And if its not about that, well, at least we won't be hypocritical.

I like for men to be men. I don't like wishywashy people. Bow season is either about tradition or its not.

No big hyprocrit here. I just know for a fact that crossbows are for lazy slobs who do not want to put the time in to shoot a bow. They are too sorry to pull a bow back.

I have no issues with an elderly person or disabled shooting a crossbow. They have enough going against them. But thats not what we are talking about here.

BB, your the type of guy who would hire a race car driver that claims never to have been in a wreck. Any team owner would call you a complete idiot. But you honestly couldn't see that. You want someone that has experience. I have experience with crossbows, compounds, tradbows, selfbows. You call that elitist, I call it experience.

Dealers of bows. Goodness gracious, I thought you were just being stubborn, but starting to think difference. What do you think we are talking about here??? Keep up.

Whats so hard about your ML, archery, gun seasons, is its hypocritical. A arrow gun has basically the same stock and trigger assembly of a gun. Has the same advantage as a gun as point and shoot. The only thing it (crossbow for those who have trouble keeping up) doesn't have is range.

SteveBNy

Thanks!

Tradition for you maybe - for many its about using different tools and extending their overall hunting seasons. Fred Bear marketed "be a 2 season hunter".

You mean that 35 year old compound tradition?
As compared to recurve/longbow of 1000's and crossbow of 2400?

If, as some claim, crossbows are not archery equipment, why should anyone use them in the bow seasons? Why not just allow them any weapon. They are either archery or they are not. Which is it?

Pretty sure that is a rules violation. Discussions should not sink to name calling - especially if someone feels their points are strong. Good place to go when they are weak though.

bigcountry

Your correct. I appoligize. I just can't believe that some can't see the advantages of a arrow-gun.

bigbulls

There's a difference in someone having experience that is willing to open them selves up to other peoples experience and someone having experience and thinks that their way is the only way to do it no matter what. You are the latter.

I can see the advantages of a crossbow just as I can see the advantages of a compound just as I can see the advantages of a recurve over a long bow. No one here said that they didn't have advantages. What I did say is that crossbows meet every definition of archery equipment and date back thousands of years before the compound bow. So call it a primitive weapons season or archery season they qualify as both.

bigcountry

Not in the least. Its just when someone tries out a crossbow and within litterly min, is able to hit deer vitals out to 60yards, you got ask yourself if this is really the archery tradition that was handed down to us.

Now, take the same newbie, and throw a compound in his hand and see if he can nail deer vitals 100% of the time at 60 yards. Not so easy anymore. Takes practice, muscle memory, stamina (even wit 80% letoff).

But with the new law coming in effect in MD, I am starting a new medieval crossbow build. Probably not up to your stardards with a scope or reddot with yardage comp, but am going to try to make as close as possible to 1200AD crossbow with a hophornbeam prod sinewed heavily and bone lever.

bigcountry

Ok, so now its just about defintion of archery equipment?

noidurism

ok i won't sit here and argue with you. you hunt the way you want. i'll hunt the way i want. legally of course! there's just no need to cut someone elses way of hunting down and basically call me a lazy slob. i could cut you down and burn you real quick but i'm not gonna lower myself down to your immature level. maybe you should read the forum rules again!

bigbulls

As it should pertain to the law. Absolutely.

You and your family can continue what ever hunting tradition that you wish. Just as with Christmas traditions. Some people feed the homeless, some sing carols, some sit at home and get drunk, some open up a single present on Christmas eve. What ever. Traditions, just like hunting ethics are nothing more than personal choice and not representative of the entire hunting population in the least.

Oh, and BTW. I don't own a crossbow, have never owned a crossbow, can't stand shooting a crossbow, never recommend a crossbow to anyone if they ask, personally don't want anything to do with a crossbow, and hopefully will never have to hunt with a crossbow. But I'm not so selfish to say that "Joe Hunter" down the road shouldn't.

bigcountry

But you would be too selfish to let Joe Hunter hunt with his rifle during the coveted rut???

So for Joe Hunter to participate in good rut action, he has to go to your shop, buy a 500-1000 dollar rig. That doesn't seem fair does it? Joe Orange Army Hunter pays taxes just like the rest.

Again, its either about tradition and doing something a bit harder than the rest that takes effort, or its only about deer mgmt. Its that easy. Sure you don't want that. But your willing to go as far as saying arrow gun hunters should with amplified scopes and red dot sites.

Yea, right.

bigbulls

First of all, it's not up to me, it's up to the state to decide what you can use during the rut. Just as it is up to them as to whether they allow center fire rifles at all. Just as it is theirs to decide what minimum arrow weight, minimum bullet diameter, minimum draw weight, minimum arrow length, minimum broadhead diameter, season dates, bag limits, buck or doe seasons/tags, hunting license prices, so on and so on and so on.

Second, hunt with what every your state says you can hunt with during the rut. I hunt with my rifle during the Rut every year down here in Florida because I can. I shot my largest deer to date during the rut with my .270. But if i were limited to archery equipment then I'd buy archery equipment if I wanted to hunt.

Whether he is Joe Hunter or Joe Army Hunter doesn't matter. If he wants to hunt in the rut he is going to have to go to some sporting goods store in one of the 50 states and plop down $500 - $1000 for either a gun, ML or bow set up depending on what your state allows.

Feel free to quote where I said that I am for magnified scopes on archery equipment. As far as red dots go I am pretty sure they are legal in nearly every state on the other style of bows. I know that they are here in Florida and Alabama.


Nice attempt at putting words in my mouth.
Try harder next time because this time you FAIL.