So crossbow are legal now......
06-19-2010, 06:49 PM
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Central Pennsylvania
Posts: 2,313
This is my point of view as for my reason for being against cross bows. If you read back through some of my old old posts I've had enough encounters with total idiots, now this is how I see crossbows, It doesn't really matter about the public opinion (Imo) they'll do what they want.
Ryan.
On a side note another problem I see with them is it makes shooting out of a vehicle 10000x easier because hey lets face it how many times in the woods have you heard someones bow go off?
Ryan.
On a side note another problem I see with them is it makes shooting out of a vehicle 10000x easier because hey lets face it how many times in the woods have you heard someones bow go off?
06-19-2010, 07:03 PM
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Warsaw,MO
Posts: 2,046
In the evolution of "archery" hunting the crossbow should have been legal long before the compound bow became legal. The crossbow has been around for hundreds, if not thousands, of years before the invention of the compound bow.
If it uses a "bow" and a string to propel an arrow then it is archery equipment and should be legal during archery season.
The don't call it compound bow season or long bow season. They call it archery season and a crossbow is archery equipment.
So all the naysayers can get off their high horses and welcome the new hunters that crossbow hunting will bring to the sport and help keep the old hunters that are no longer archery hunting... God knows we need them.
If it uses a "bow" and a string to propel an arrow then it is archery equipment and should be legal during archery season.
The don't call it compound bow season or long bow season. They call it archery season and a crossbow is archery equipment.
So all the naysayers can get off their high horses and welcome the new hunters that crossbow hunting will bring to the sport and help keep the old hunters that are no longer archery hunting... God knows we need them.
06-19-2010, 08:33 PM
#14
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: MO
Posts: 319
When I was "able" to shoot a compound I always said I would NEVER go to a crossbow, NO WAY NEVER HAPPEN! If can't shoot a compound I will quit bow hunting!
Well, few surgeries later and a Dr. that told me never to shoot compound again or pull anything with weight. I thought do I want to really quit bow hunting at the age of 34 just because of my pride???
Next DR's appointment I took the form in to have him fill out so I could shoot a crossbow because here in Missouri it is not legal without a DR.'s excuse.
To me hunting with a crossbow is just as hard as a compound because there shots I can't take with crossbow that a could with a compound. I was more accurate with my compound than I am with the crossbow and that is a fact. Crossbows weigh alot more than a compound and are harder to get around with in the woods or stand. Forget about 2nd shots!
It took me needing to use one to find out that it was NO easier to hunt deer with a crossbow. JMHO
Also I would have no problem if Missouri made crossbows legal for everyone.
Well, few surgeries later and a Dr. that told me never to shoot compound again or pull anything with weight. I thought do I want to really quit bow hunting at the age of 34 just because of my pride???
Next DR's appointment I took the form in to have him fill out so I could shoot a crossbow because here in Missouri it is not legal without a DR.'s excuse.
To me hunting with a crossbow is just as hard as a compound because there shots I can't take with crossbow that a could with a compound. I was more accurate with my compound than I am with the crossbow and that is a fact. Crossbows weigh alot more than a compound and are harder to get around with in the woods or stand. Forget about 2nd shots!
It took me needing to use one to find out that it was NO easier to hunt deer with a crossbow. JMHO
Also I would have no problem if Missouri made crossbows legal for everyone.
06-21-2010, 11:56 AM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Pine Hill Alabama USA
Posts: 1,280
Okay I'll be the bad guy and confess to my reasons I still oppose their inclusion in bow season.
First ask yourself this; why do we have primitive weapons seasons? Any and all game management goals could be met just by using gun seasons. Want more animals killed? Lengthen the season, increase bag limits, or issue more gun tags. Want less killed then do the opposite. So what is the purpose of a particular season like muzzleloader or bow season? To me those seasons exist to promote the use of a particular weapon so that the skills associated with it will not fade from our collective consciousness. Want to be able to kill an extra deer or hunt a few extra weeks then the price of that option is to learn to use a bow or a muzzleloader. You get more hunting time and that weapons use is preserved in our society.
Now comes crossbows being dumped into bow season. Anytime you give people an easier option they will take it. Oh sure there won't be much of an immediate effect because all the older hands like myself who already have bows and know how to shoot them aren't likely to undergo the unnecessary added expense of buying a crossbow and decking it out with everything needed to make it woods ready when we already have a bow. But what about the young kids? All they want here in Alabama now is a crossbow. Why? Simple, it's easier. Why learn to shoot a bow with proper form; worry about learning to tuning a bow; fuss with over or under spined arrows; get busted trying to draw on a deer under your tree; be handicapped by a short draw length; etc, etc. Just get a crossbow. Minutes to master with no effort on your part and bow season is all yours.
It's the same dumbing down of America you see across the board. Don't demand that our kids study harder to get the national grade average up, just make the tests easier. That will get the scores up too. End result is the same right? LOL! God help us.
And in that same vein lets discuss what was at the root of the crossbow push in this country. MONEY!!! Ding! Ding! Ding!
There was no grass roots crossbow movement. No crowd of people clamoring for crossbows. Handicapped people could already use them. This will not get anyone into hunting that wasn't at least already gun hunting. It wasn't for the children. This was a push purely by crossbow companies and associated businesses that stand to profit from the inclusion of crossbows in bow season. Crossbow companies dream of selling one to every gun hunter in America and outfitters dream of being able to sell archery season hunts to thousands of gun hunters that heretofore could not master a bow. So they bribed state game commissions to open the door for them to make big profits. End of list.
If national crossbow advocates, and I've never met one that didn't stand to profit off them somehow, want a season then give them a separate one. But don't take the season that others have fought so hard for.
First ask yourself this; why do we have primitive weapons seasons? Any and all game management goals could be met just by using gun seasons. Want more animals killed? Lengthen the season, increase bag limits, or issue more gun tags. Want less killed then do the opposite. So what is the purpose of a particular season like muzzleloader or bow season? To me those seasons exist to promote the use of a particular weapon so that the skills associated with it will not fade from our collective consciousness. Want to be able to kill an extra deer or hunt a few extra weeks then the price of that option is to learn to use a bow or a muzzleloader. You get more hunting time and that weapons use is preserved in our society.
Now comes crossbows being dumped into bow season. Anytime you give people an easier option they will take it. Oh sure there won't be much of an immediate effect because all the older hands like myself who already have bows and know how to shoot them aren't likely to undergo the unnecessary added expense of buying a crossbow and decking it out with everything needed to make it woods ready when we already have a bow. But what about the young kids? All they want here in Alabama now is a crossbow. Why? Simple, it's easier. Why learn to shoot a bow with proper form; worry about learning to tuning a bow; fuss with over or under spined arrows; get busted trying to draw on a deer under your tree; be handicapped by a short draw length; etc, etc. Just get a crossbow. Minutes to master with no effort on your part and bow season is all yours.
It's the same dumbing down of America you see across the board. Don't demand that our kids study harder to get the national grade average up, just make the tests easier. That will get the scores up too. End result is the same right? LOL! God help us.
And in that same vein lets discuss what was at the root of the crossbow push in this country. MONEY!!! Ding! Ding! Ding!
There was no grass roots crossbow movement. No crowd of people clamoring for crossbows. Handicapped people could already use them. This will not get anyone into hunting that wasn't at least already gun hunting. It wasn't for the children. This was a push purely by crossbow companies and associated businesses that stand to profit from the inclusion of crossbows in bow season. Crossbow companies dream of selling one to every gun hunter in America and outfitters dream of being able to sell archery season hunts to thousands of gun hunters that heretofore could not master a bow. So they bribed state game commissions to open the door for them to make big profits. End of list.
If national crossbow advocates, and I've never met one that didn't stand to profit off them somehow, want a season then give them a separate one. But don't take the season that others have fought so hard for.
Last edited by Todd1700; 06-21-2010 at 12:01 PM.
06-21-2010, 02:23 PM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Moravia NY USA
Posts: 2,164
First ask yourself this; why do we have primitive weapons seasons?
But don't take the season that others have fought so hard for.
Last edited by SteveBNy; 06-21-2010 at 02:26 PM.
06-21-2010, 06:21 PM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Pine Hill Alabama USA
Posts: 1,280
So little to do to become hunting proficient with one that a good number using them practise no more then the average gun hunter.
And ask yourself this, if compounds are so easy then why would gun hunters need crossbows?
Fred Bear promoted their sale as the way for a gun hunter to easily become a 2 season hunter.
That season was fought for by those shooting recurves and longbows that required a lot of work to become and stay proficient with.
A modern compound 90% plus let off, steady rest, drop away, scpe sight, shot with a trigger at 350fps plus is hardly a primitive weapon
06-21-2010, 07:33 PM
#18
Fork Horn
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Woollum, Ky.
Posts: 269
It was made legal during archery season a couple of years ago in Ky. but I have only seen two people with a crossbow and one of them was with us in camp and could have used it anyhow because of a disability. I didn't care much for the fact that they made it legal here either but it has really been unoticed in my opinion. They are kinda cumbersome to carry through the woods.
06-21-2010, 07:38 PM
#19
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,679
First ask yourself this; why do we have primitive weapons seasons?
So what is the purpose of a particular season like muzzleloader or bow season?
To me those seasons exist to promote the use of a particular weapon so that the skills associated with it will not fade from our collective consciousness.
Now comes crossbows being dumped into bow season. Anytime you give people an easier option they will take it. Oh sure there won't be much of an immediate effect because all the older hands like myself who already have bows and know how to shoot them aren't likely to undergo the unnecessary added expense of buying a crossbow and decking it out with everything needed to make it woods ready when we already have a bow.
As I already stated Alabama does not have a bow season but even if Alabama called it bow season a crossbow is in fact a "bow". If they called it a primitive weapons season you loose this argument as well because crossbows have been around since about 600B.C. which is about 2500 years before the compound bow.
Crossbows are archery equipment no matter how you want to argue it and they are far more primitive than compound bows.
But what about the young kids? All they want here in Alabama now is a crossbow. Why? Simple, it's easier. Why learn to shoot a bow with proper form; worry about learning to tuning a bow; fuss with over or under spined arrows; get busted trying to draw on a deer under your tree; be handicapped by a short draw length; etc, etc. Just get a crossbow. Minutes to master with no effort on your part and bow season is all yours.
It's the same dumbing down of America you see across the board. Don't demand that our kids study harder to get the national grade average up, just make the tests easier. That will get the scores up too. End result is the same right? LOL! God help us.
Perhaps, because they were able to legally hunt with a crossbow at an earlier age, the kids that got out there at that younger age became that much more proficient in their hunting, tracking, shot placement, and general woodsman skills and hunting ethics than the children that were required to wait 2-4 more years. How exactly is it a bad thing to get a child hunting and learning the woods at a younger age than he or she would have been able to with out a crossbow?
And in that same vein lets discuss what was at the root of the crossbow push in this country. MONEY!!! Ding! Ding! Ding!
There was no grass roots crossbow movement. No crowd of people clamoring for crossbows. Handicapped people could already use them. This will not get anyone into hunting that wasn't at least already gun hunting. It wasn't for the children. This was a push purely by crossbow companies and associated businesses that stand to profit from the inclusion of crossbows in bow season. Crossbow companies dream of selling one to every gun hunter in America and outfitters dream of being able to sell archery season hunts to thousands of gun hunters that heretofore could not master a bow. So they bribed state game commissions to open the door for them to make big profits. End of list.
There was no grass roots crossbow movement. No crowd of people clamoring for crossbows. Handicapped people could already use them. This will not get anyone into hunting that wasn't at least already gun hunting. It wasn't for the children. This was a push purely by crossbow companies and associated businesses that stand to profit from the inclusion of crossbows in bow season. Crossbow companies dream of selling one to every gun hunter in America and outfitters dream of being able to sell archery season hunts to thousands of gun hunters that heretofore could not master a bow. So they bribed state game commissions to open the door for them to make big profits. End of list.
If national crossbow advocates, and I've never met one that didn't stand to profit off them somehow, want a season then give them a separate one. But don't take the season that others have fought so hard for.
Last edited by bigbulls; 06-21-2010 at 08:25 PM.
06-21-2010, 11:42 PM
#20
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Pine Hill Alabama USA
Posts: 1,280
In Alabama you don't have a primitive weapons season or a bow season.
If they called it a primitive weapons season you loose this argument as well because crossbows have been around since about 600B.C. which is about 2500 years before the compound bow.
Why should a kid that can't muster the strength to pull 35 pounds on a compound bow not be allowed the opportunity to deer hunt?
How exactly is it a bad thing to get a child hunting and learning the woods at a younger age than he or she would have been able to with out a crossbow?
But of course that isn't the point and it never was. This isn't about children. Anytime you hear somebody on the national level claim they are doing something because they just care so deeply about children, put one hand on your wallet and don't bend over, cause you are either about to be robbed or screwed. Maybe both.
Wow, that statement is so ridiculously absurd that there are no appropriate words.
Why should a kid that can't muster the strength to pull 35 pounds on a compound bow not be allowed the opportunity to deer hunt?
Why should a kid that isn't old enough to see over the dash board of a car be denied a drivers license?
Why shouldn't a 5 year old be allowed to go vote with their father this coming November?
Gee, I don't know. Cause maybe there should be some things in life that require you to meet a certain minimum standard of intelligence, age, strength and maturity.