Thanks sorry if i came off as a h8er of rage.:party0005:

Ill say most of your post is spot on, but I wouldn't agree that the potential for a quicker kill isn't there... 1.5" 3blade vs 1" is quite a bit more damage ya know. Like I said I agree with your post, but a bigger hole has to mean something some of the time;)

and yeah, the advertising to the inexperienced is what makes most people dislike rage. I'd agree with that.

I don't think you do or you certainly mispoke because you stated that I wouldn't call a 60 yard tracking job a perfect shot!

Have you ever used the Rage?

because I have used it the last few years and ON AVERAGE they do put down deer quicker compared to when I used a 1 1/8" fixed.

Also, my bloodtrails have been much better since I started using Rage with some of the same shot placements I had with my fixed but I do understand that EVERY shot will bring different bloodtrails even when you think you made a perfect shot.

I did shoot a yearling last year tht went a ranged 9 yd from where I hit her. Went through one shoulder double lung. It was insane. I thought I spined her bc she dropped and died so quickly.

i havent used a fixed blade in years,tried a couple different mechanicals even a cheap allen head it worked just like my vortex did. but i have the most confidence in my vortex heads even after trying a rage three blade.

blood trails are great especially if the exit wound is lower .

the only disadvantage in mechanicals i see would be if the arrow is inside the body. the fixed heads would tear up more than the mechanicals because my heads mostly need forward motion to stay open and cut because they do not lock back.

so it might not do as much damage and the arrow might come out easier because the blades do close back up, giving that never did open look or head failure as some claim.

all in all i love my mechanicals they do great and not one issue after many years and deer. hey we all like different things and have different results with the same products.

the quickest iseen a deer go down not spined either and die,i was using a cut on contact head it jumped took three or so quick steps staggered and fell and was dead.

Nice post, and I agree, being inside is a certain disadvantage, although even a mechanical is working while its inside, just not cutting as well:s4:

The one deer I didnt get a pass through on with a rage I shot in the shoulder. I was trying a light arrow setup out with the rage 3 blade... although it had ample KE, it did not have enough momentum to continue to carry itself through the otherside(it was sticking through the opposite side of the rib cage, but it did not break through the hide).

She had virtually zero blood, but went down in 40ish yards... Her vitals were destroyed obviously by the head, and no more destruction was needed:s3:

So with that one occurrence, I learned my lesson and will never use really light arrows again(they were in the low 300gr realm. apprx 325ish out of a 60# bow).

I notice the the Rage advertising always touts about great penetration, even show a penetration test where the 2 blade Rage penetrates the target more than a fixed blade, BUT then Rage turns around and blows thier horn about great big entry holes.......but what about great big exit holes.......oh yeah.. I forgot, the fact is that making a huge 2" hole there's practically no way the Rage will penetrate deeper than a 1" fixed head....just can't happen....even though they say so...

i've knocked 3 deer down with rage 2 blade with nothing but praise. I've seen a dozen others also meet there demise to the head. Ya they may come open in quiver pay attention lock the blades back down. Best head on the market. Only other mech i'd trust is a spitfire.

i'm not going to say that one brand is better than another. i'm sure some give you better odds of a kill than another especially on "bad" shots. imo they all will work if placed right. and this is my main point here-SHOT PLACEMENT!!!!! alot of people are getting caught up on how big a hole it makes/leaves. while it can help i think we need to get our focus back on shot placement. a right placed shot = a dead deer every time, even with a field point. and as for the blood trail-yes alot of blood makes it easy to find. with little blood it is harder to find, with the right shot placement, you know it's dead and out there. it will probably take longer to find but you will find it if you don't give up(whether trailing hard to see blood spots or grid searching) and it will make you become a better blood trailer.:deer:

oh and by the way if you're curious on what i use- spitfire. i have no desire to try anything else because they work for me!

How does Rage do such a great job of creating their own Marketing plan and they don't spend a penny. There are 50 great heads out there with equal or better killing power and all I read about is Rage.

Genious Marketing guys!!!!

I am not paying their prices and getting sucked in to that.

I have used these heads with good success. As people have said, it does not penetrate very good. It doesn't matter if the animal goes 40 yards at the most. When the animal starts running, every step it takes will jar the arrow and cut even more in every direction. These heads are accurate and are one of the largest cutting diameters on the market.

I have been shooting the 3 blade Rage heads 2 years now
Did they make poor shots better ....no
As I am very carefull and have only lost 1 deer , and it was recover by a road hunter before we could find it

But I can say I have never had a better blood trail

That is if I needed it
I have had 3 deer in the last 2 years go less than 20 yds , one never made it 10 yds
And yes the shots were double lung


I have only had one not be a complete pass through
And that one , I centered the off shoulder on a going away doe
From a ground blind

She fell within 40 yds the first time and only made it 60 yds total

And for the high price ...LOL
I bought another 4 packs at $20.99 each on close out the first week of Jan
The store didn't want them around all summer

John

I disagree for many reasons. When a deer takes off with an arrow in him it almost always backs out a little unless it's lodged in something solid like bone. The second an expandable tipped broadhead starts to back out even a little the blades tend to close and therefore won't cut much of anything. Second it would be miraculous if a broadhead remained in a vital spot as the deer ran. It will either be lodged in the far side past the vitals or back out to the near side short of the vitals. And finally, I don't care if a broadhead starts spinning like a blender inside a deer, you will never "consistently" get better bloodtrails without an exit hole. Especially if you hunt out of tree stands where, because of the angle of the shot, the exit hole will be substantially lower on the far side of the animal than the entrance hole. Blood filling the chest cavity will reach that lower exit hole quicker than the entry hole and start putting blood on the ground faster. Plus there's just the simple logistical fact that two holes of the same size bleed more than just one.

I agree,two holes are better than one!

I prefer a fixed head. All I had when I started and they work. That being said, I believe that Rage's will perform, if on a bow with adequate energy for the head, as they advertise. The more tissue that is cut, the more blood there will be. Of course, without an exit hole, as mentioned previously by several, it will take longer for that blood to become apparent and trailable (is that a word?). Now, I still prefer a fixed head. The ONLY thing I will ever have to worry about is putting it where I am supposed to. While they may be petty worries, I don't have to think about a mechanical not opening, or worry about one opening in my quiver. To each his own...they all do what they are supposed to, and in general but not always, you get what you pay for.

I bought a pack of the 2 blades last year just to try them out, no luck with the bow last year:( but before i was set on the muzzy 3 blade, and nothing less, first i bought the old bushmaster cheapo's at meijer, lol what a waste, after that it's been muzzy's.

you guys gotta read the articles on deerfear.com, they're sick. I'm sure you've already heard of the site, most talked about hunt fish trap site on the net

eloquently said:happy0001:

Never heard of the site . Are you pimping it for them ???

He definitely is.. He has 10 posts and every one mentions "deer fear".

There has been pages and pages of posts discussing the rages. I haven't said anything because 9 million other people have but what the heck. I'll give my 2 cents. I shoot the 3 blade 1.5 inch rages and I like them so far. Just started shooting them halfway through the year last year and only shot one deer with them, but the results were great. The shot was slightly forward and I hit the front shoulder, the broadheads busted right through the bone and tore the deer up. I plan to keep shooting them but I do think there are many great broadheads out there. Shot placement is still the number one key. You cant expect a broadhead to make up for a bad shot.

TO each his own. Good shot placement with the crappiest broadhead will kill a deer. Now it's up to you which one you wanna shoot.

I took a decent 10pointer lastfall using the Rage 2, these heads do as advertised, I never had a problem with the flight or hitting my mark. The buck ran 20 yards and dropped dead, left a blood trail literally 10-15 feet wide. Most devistating head i have ever used and will not go back to a fixed head after using the rage.