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kwaldeier 03-16-2010 05:59 PM

Bucknasty strings??
 
Im hearing great reviews on them and looking to purchase. does the $60 bucks i plan to spend come with a string AND a cable?? im not sure exactly where to find him or what info to give him :( also not sure what material they need to be made out of either, any help is appreciated!!

bigcountry 03-16-2010 06:45 PM

http://www.odproshops.com/bucknasty.htm

I suggest 452X, even though I shoot 8125 with winners choice. He's a good dude to deal with. One thing about John, is you never have to worry about him coming on here and bad mouthing you after you have been a customer of his. Lots of real bad characters out there pushing strings and such. Highly recommend.

GMMAT 03-16-2010 06:51 PM

Guy's about as straight-up as you'll find in this industry. My shop sells his strings/cables as SOP.....unless someone specifically requests something different. Being from NC, they get 2 day turnaround.

Never heard a bad thing about his co....or him. Rare, these days.

MeanV2 03-16-2010 06:55 PM

John, Makes top notch strings. I have used and sold several sets. Delivery got to be a major problem and the last set I got from him took several weeks. I could not expect my customers to wait that long. Hopefully John has gotten better.

I picked up a dealership with VaporTrail and have been very pleased, both with product, delivery time (always less than a week), and customer service on the rare instances it was needed.

I sell them with the option of Halo servings which is the toughest serving out there. Also my prices are very competetive.

I am sure John is still a member here, but he never did post a lot and I'm not sure when I last saw a post from him.

Either way you'll be Happy!! :)

Dan

bigbulls 03-16-2010 06:56 PM

We use his stings quite a bit in our shop also and I have used his strings on 4 of my personal bows. Top notch strings that cost half as much as other strings in the same class. My only problem is that turn around could sometimes take a long time.

bigcountry 03-16-2010 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by MeanV2 (Post 3596339)
John, Makes top notch strings. I have used and sold several sets. Delivery got to be a major problem and the last set I got from him took several weeks. I could not expect my customers to wait that long. Hopefully John has gotten better.



Got several sets in a few days. Never heard of such a thing.

GMMAT 03-16-2010 07:12 PM

Bowtech strings must take longer to make, BC. Or....maybe they're not getting a kick-back from John to push his wares. Hard to say. I know Bowtech has preferred companies they deal with (their dealers and staffers are allowed to purchase these products at a VERY reduced price.....and push them, in return).

I'm betting I could have (in my hand) a new string/cables for my son's Guardian - by Friday.

MeanV2 03-16-2010 08:11 PM

FYI, I am a dealer. I can buy Winners choice, VaporTrails, BuckNasty, and H&M Strings all at dealer cost.

I make my decision on what I carry from the following criteria.
1. Quality product
2. Delivery time
3. Customer service
4. Cost is a lesser consideration and to be honest they are all pretty much the same as far as dealer cost is concerned.

Dan

bigbulls 03-16-2010 08:17 PM

You're right, we push Bowtech strings and nothing else. :rolleye0011: Bowtech offers a new bow with every ten strings ya know. What a reach GMMAT. Man, you sure do get bitter when someone contradicts your experiences.

His strings are awesome but when I ordered his stings almost exclusively for the 2007/2008 season I had more than just a couple of orders take over a month to come in during the busiest time of the season. People can't wait over a month to get strings. He became way too popular way too fast to keep up with orders. A classic case of growing your business way too fast.

I am sure you could have a set by Friday. I doubt he is exceptionally busy right now like he is during the peak of archery season.

To be fair I didn't order any strings from him in 2009 because we decided to use another company that guaranteed delivery. Hopefully he as stepped up the number of employees and hopefully has enough staff to complete orders in a timely manner now.

kwaldeier 03-16-2010 08:32 PM

Material choices: BCY 8125
BCY 452x
Brownell X-cel


Strings Served with BCY 3D .017
Buss Cabels Served with .014 braided halo
Center Serving

Served with BCY #62 unless otherwise requested

1 or 2 Color, any bow, any color serving, (or combination of servings): $70
3 Color, any bow, any color serving (or combination of servings): $80
4 Color, any bow, any color of serving (or combination of serving): $95
If you order more than 1 set, take $5 off of each set


Strings Served in all braided halo
Buss Cabels Served in all braided halo
Center Serving

Served with BCY #62 unless otherwise requested

1 or 2 Color, any bow, any color serving, (or combination of servings): $80
3 Color, any bow, any color serving (or combination of servings): $90
4 Color, any bow, any color of serving (or combination of serving): $105
If you order more than 1 set, take $5 off of each set


Those are his prices, i plan on getting the $70 ones. does that come with a cable?? like i said im not sure what material is best, or what the difference in the 2 things he has listed is one is just .017 and .014 braided halo??:s5::s5:!

bigbulls 03-16-2010 09:25 PM

Yes, the price is a set of string and cable.

I like 452X. Though X-cell is exactly the same material from Brownell so either one is fine. It is very stable and once settled it stays that way.

Center serving - I like Crown serving from Brownell much better than I like 62 because it is extremely slick which makes for a very clean nock release from the string and is extremely durable and wear resistant. It also lays very flat and tight. I have never worn out crown serving. I haven't used Halo for center serving but I think halo is very similar to crown.

Halo or crown serving on all other servings. Though when I make my own strings I use Brownell mini serving for end loops and cam servings because ultra thin so it lays extremely tight and will not slip.

Don't worry about what diameter to use. He knows what to put where.

Honestly, just tell him what two colors you want your string and cable to be and what bow it's for and let him do the rest. You will like what you get.

GMMAT 03-17-2010 02:18 AM


Man, you sure do get bitter when someone contradicts your experiences.
Bitter? I'm in no way "bitter". I just pointed out that there might be more to the story than meets the eye.

Like....there's "usually" a reason when a group pushes certain products. You work with a Bowtech dealer. Dan's on the staff. Does it surprise me that you guys push what you do? Of course not. Am I blind to it? Of course not.

I have no affiliation with ANY company. Not one.

SWThomas 03-17-2010 03:13 AM

Again? Knock off all the bickering back and forth and keep it civil.

MeanV2 03-17-2010 03:44 AM

Just an FYI for eveyone. I am affliated with the following companies.
1. BowTech/Diamond
2. PSE
3. Martin
4. Slick Trick
5. G5
6. VaporTrail
7. Winners Choice
8. HHA
9. Spot Hogg
10. New Archery Products
11. Easton
12. Carbon Express
13. Quality Archery Designs
14. Viper Archery
15. EP Hunting

It goes on but I'm tired of typing. I hope most understand I am affliated with, have been, or could be with most companies. It's my choice and what I decide is best for me and my customers.

Any statements made are made from 1st hand experience during my many years involved in the Archery Industry.

Dan

RLoving1 03-17-2010 03:54 AM

Back on course...I have John's info at home! maybe do a search on here and find it or I will try to post it this evening when I get home.Dan(MeanV) has good stuff and John(Bucknasty) makes great strings also,both are working men in the industry and trying to make a living so I'm neutral.

MeanV2 03-17-2010 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by RLoving1 (Post 3596463)
Back on course...I have John's info at home! maybe do a search on here and find it or I will try to post it this evening when I get home.Dan(MeanV) has good stuff and John(Bucknasty) makes great strings also,both are working men in the industry and trying to make a living so I'm neutral.

Hey! Long time No see! Where have you been hiding?

How did your season go? You still giving Ausie Guy a hard time?

Don't cut him any slack!:)

Dan

RLoving1 03-17-2010 05:49 AM

I'm still around,had good season! Haven't talked to Russ much...those trad guys are mean to me!:biggrin: Been busy,oilfield doesn't think it can do without me!:s4: Whats with HNI...running kinda slow isn't it?:bash:

bigcountry 03-17-2010 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by GMMAT (Post 3596429)

I have no affiliation with ANY company. Not one.

Thats what I used to love about forums 10-14 years ago. You got the real scoop on products. You didn't have corporations doing spin control all over the internet. I remember in 98 when Harley Davidson had twincam bearings going out left and right. Riders had forums to go to and complain. Then in 2000, HD got smart and started getting staff involved with spin control. You never got the real information.

diamondrack 03-17-2010 09:18 AM

[QUOTE=bigbulls;3596389]You're right, we push Bowtech strings and nothing else. :rolleye0011: Bowtech offers a new bow with every ten strings ya know. What a reach GMMAT. Man, you sure do get bitter when someone contradicts your experiences.

Your 100% on track with that one!!

diamondrack 03-17-2010 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by MeanV2 (Post 3596454)
Just an FYI for eveyone. I am affliated with the following companies.
1. BowTech/Diamond
2. PSE
3. Martin
4. Slick Trick
5. G5
6. VaporTrail
7. Winners Choice
8. HHA
9. Spot Hogg
10. New Archery Products
11. Easton
12. Carbon Express
13. Quality Archery Designs
14. Viper Archery
15. EP Hunting

It goes on but I'm tired of typing. I hope most understand I am affliated with, have been, or could be with most companies. It's my choice and what I decide is best for me and my customers.

Any statements made are made from 1st hand experience during my many years involved in the Archery Industry.

Dan

I completely understand your affliation to products.. My family owns a archery shop (mostly bowtech/diamond dealer) they also carries many and I mean many other affliations--depends of course on sights/rests/releases/arrows/xbows/cases/targets/ect.... The shelves are stocked full and the products are pushed because they are good quality products not in order to make a buck.. One secret to any business is to make sure your customers are satified and happy.. If you sell them junk just because of the name then it won't take long before you're out of business.. If someone has been able to stay afloat through good and rough times in the archery business then they are do something right.. My guess is they are NOT advertising junk and or selling it.. Its just common sense to me...

GMMAT 03-17-2010 09:33 AM


The shelves are stocked full and the products are pushed because they are good quality products not in order to make a buck..
How extremely noble your family is. Congratulations, sir.

MeanV2 03-17-2010 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by diamondrack (Post 3596696)
I completely understand your affliation to products.. My family owns a archery shop (mostly bowtech/diamond dealer) they also carries many and I mean many other affliations--depends of course on sights/rests/releases/arrows/xbows/cases/targets/ect.... The shelves are stocked full and the products are pushed because they are good quality products not in order to make a buck.. One secret to any business is to make sure your customers are satified and happy.. If you sell them junk just because of the name then it won't take long before you're out of business.. If someone has been able to stay afloat through good and rough times in the archery business then they are do something right.. My guess is they are NOT advertising junk and or selling it.. Its just common sense to me...

diamondrack, I had an older gentleman (he's dead now) that ran a pro shop about 30 miles from my house at the time I 1st became interested in compounds.

It is hard telling how many junk products and steered me away from and solid choices he put me on to. Doing so I know he saved me many $$$ down through the years. I really appreciated that!

I now try to do the same thing to my customers when they are unsure of what they want and are looking for advice.

Dan

bigbulls 03-17-2010 05:32 PM


Bitter? I'm in no way "bitter". I just pointed out that there might be more to the story than meets the eye.

Like....there's "usually" a reason when a group pushes certain products. You work with a Bowtech dealer. Dan's on the staff. Does it surprise me that you guys push what you do? Of course not. Am I blind to it? Of course not.

I have no affiliation with ANY company. Not one.
You do realize that YOU brought up Bowtech in this thread and not me or Dan. Not sure why you did other than you just have a problem with them and want to talk trash every chance you get. :confused0024:

I have been here since the 90's (more than twice as long as you) and can tell you that the ONLY product I have ever promoted as being the best out there is Slick Trick broadheads. Those that know me will tell you that if I "push" a product there is only one reason. It is because I have used it and tested it against the other products in its category and found, from my personal experiences, that it worked better than anything else.

Rest assured that I have absolutely no ulterior motives to promote any product. I can get free or deeply discounted products from just about any archery company I deal with. Some of which I use and some I prefer to buy from another company that can't get me free stuff because it works best for me. If I decide to offer my opinion or facts about a particular company or product it is the truth based on my personal experiences.

If I say that John was late shipping multiple orders than he was dang sure late shipping multiple orders.

MeanV2 03-17-2010 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by bigbulls (Post 3596936)
You do realize that YOU brought up Bowtech in this thread and not me or Dan. Not sure why you did other than you just have a problem with them and want to talk trash every chance you get. :confused0024:

I have been here since the 90's (more than twice as long as you) and can tell you that the ONLY product I have ever promoted as being the best out there is Slick Trick broadheads. Those that know me will tell you that if I "push" a product there is only one reason. It is because I have used it and tested it against the other products in its category and found, from my personal experiences, that it worked better than anything else.

Rest assured that I have absolutely no ulterior motives to promote any product. I can get free or deeply discounted products from just about any archery company I deal with. Some of which I use and some I prefer to buy from another company that can't get me free stuff because it works best for me. If I decide to offer my opinion or facts about a particular company or product it is the truth based on my personal experiences.

If I say that John was late shipping multiple orders than he was dang sure late shipping multiple orders.

Ditto for me bigbulls!

but believe there are a couple that can't/don't get it.

I think it has more to do about their current crusade.

As stated in my previous post BuckNasty strings are good quality, and I'm hoping he actually has speeded his shipping up, but I am way more than satisfied with my current supplier (VaporTrail)

Has nothing to do with BowTech :rolleyes:

Dan

GMMAT 03-17-2010 06:36 PM


You do realize that YOU brought up Bowtech in this thread and not me or Dan. Not sure why you did other than you just have a problem with them and want to talk trash every chance you get.
I can also assure you....that as a person who's owned 5 Bowtechs.....I have NO issues with the products they produce. I think BC put it pretty well. Objectivity in online hunting forums has gone by the wayside. Sadly, I think the current atmosphere in "most" forums is one of apathy in this arena.

It is what it is.

If anything I said in this thread is untrue, I'll apologize and recant.

MeanV2 03-17-2010 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by GMMAT (Post 3596973)
If anything I said in this thread is untrue, I'll apologize and recant.

Thanks! Apology accepted!!

If I give an opinion on a product you can bet it has to do with my personal experience/opinion on that product.

I would not say something about any company that was not true in my experience, nor promote a company that made products I did Not have confidence in.

As far as BowTech is concerned their Customer service has suffered in the past several months. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they get that part of the ship righted. They make an Awesome bow, but product is only as good as the CS that backs it. I can, will, and always have shot what I feel is quality products and best for me. Being a dealer and having many dealer friends I trade out with, cost is never an issue.

Nothing is worth being dishonest about, and if you knew me, you would know I live by that.

Dan

GMMAT 03-17-2010 07:11 PM

I offered no apology, Dan. There's no need for that. Again....my comments were 100% accurate. If you (or anyone else) will point out where I strayed from the truth.....I'm sincere that I'll recant.

The mere fact that you're upset solidifies my point(s).....and there's no reason to be upset about it. If I represented a company, I'd be forthright in disclaiming it.....and I'd expect everyone to realize my comments were biased. I expect yours to be. If they weren't, I'd feel like you weren't doing your part!

Like I said way back there. I don't begrudge you your affiliations....nor do I turn a blind eye to them. There's nothing inflammatory in saying that. Nothing.

bigbulls 03-17-2010 07:31 PM


Again....my comments were 100% accurate.
Your comments had nothing to do with anything and were not accurate in the least. For some reason us stating facts about Bucknasty strings led you to the thought process of... "they must push Bowtech strings because they said something negative about bucknasty."?

Like I said, you thought it necessary to bring Bowtech into a thread about Bucknasty strings. I still haven't figured out why??????

GMMAT 03-17-2010 07:35 PM

I didn't bring BOWTECH into this conversation. I brought up the fact that there are affiliations with the company present. I don't know why that antagonizes you guys. It's true.

Again....If you'll point out the part(s) of my comments that are not 100% accurate, I'll sincerely recant. If not, please stop insinuating that they are (inaccurate). I don't wish to engage your generalities.....and I won't. Speak in specifics, or stop addressing me.

bigbulls 03-17-2010 07:46 PM


I didn't bring BOWTECH into this conversation. I brought up the fact that there are affiliations with the company present. I don't know why that antagonizes you guys. It's true.
Really? I guess I completely misread this sarcastic comment????


Bowtech strings must take longer to make, BC. Or....maybe they're not getting a kick-back from John to push his wares. Hard to say. I know Bowtech has preferred companies they deal with (their dealers and staffers are allowed to purchase these products at a VERY reduced price.....and push them, in return).
And you would be completely wrong. We pay what every one else pays for quality strings from other manufacturers. In fact we pay more for BT stings than we do some other quality brands of stings. You know what they say about assuming.

SWThomas 03-17-2010 09:59 PM

Okay, you guys were warned. Now this thread is closed.

GMMAT & MeanV2 have been sent on a 7 day vacation to cool off.


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