Bowtech Destroyer
01-29-2010, 06:27 AM
#31
Guest
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Well, maybe I am unlucky. Out of all the staff, you are the one I still have confidense in. I notice you generally stay out of the "spin", and usually do not belittle or demean "customers". And I thank you for that. Your integrity is safe with me.
But you are very close to these people. Seems like personally and professionally. And sometimes that makes people see things in a different light. For instance the father the sideline watching his son not getting any gametime, and he beleives his son is the next Joe Montana. Rest of us have a different take. I mean the father truely believes his son is that good.
But you are very close to these people. Seems like personally and professionally. And sometimes that makes people see things in a different light. For instance the father the sideline watching his son not getting any gametime, and he beleives his son is the next Joe Montana. Rest of us have a different take. I mean the father truely believes his son is that good.
BC,
I'm telling my personal experiences and what others say are their stories, true or not, we'll never know I guess...
So in a single word reply yes or no, are you saying I'm not telling the truth about my personal experiences?
Let me also go on to say that I have seen and repaired failures on BowTech bows. Some were the fault of the materials, some were the fault of the users...
One for instance on user error for lack of a better term...
In 2006 I had a guy with a 2005 Allegiance that had both cams bend on him while he was shooting the course at the Erie, PA IBO. He came to the booth, ticked off, swearing, threatening to get drunk and drive home and told me the bow was junk...
He asks me if the bow could be fixed under warranty and at first I wasn't sure but then I look the bow over and had to tell him no...
Why? Because the bow was not even close to being as it was when it left the factory...
Why? Because he personally stripped the finish off of the riser and cams himself then he anodized the riser and buffer polished the cams himself...
Why would this void the warranty? Because he used oven cleaner to strip the anodizing from the cams and the film dip from the riser. It was diagnosed that the cams were overheated from the over cleaner which took the temper out of them.
In the end I put brand new cams on it putting all of the cam spacers back where they "belonged" and told him it would probably be best if he not mess with it as I had it set back to factory specs. Then he was happy and went on his way...
And yes, I've also had to change some limbs over the years. I had to keep records of any and all repairs and from 2000-2009 I changed 9 sets of limbs...And as I said earlier, I attended hundreds of events in that time frame.
And no, I wouldn't want my friends to lose their jobs but you have to ask yourself... Should these people be selling or making products available to people if they don't believe in them?
As a matter of fact, I consider many of the people out there not only good friends but extended family...
So I ask, if they're his family & friends, why come on here and put their jobs in jeopardy? He could have just said he heard it from people but he insisted that it was him family and friends saying this... Had it not been for that I wouldn't have quesitoned it...
I asked him to PM the names to me so it wouldn't be public knowledge and to see who he knows that works there... Just curious is all...
I'm telling my personal experiences and what others say are their stories, true or not, we'll never know I guess...
So in a single word reply yes or no, are you saying I'm not telling the truth about my personal experiences?
Let me also go on to say that I have seen and repaired failures on BowTech bows. Some were the fault of the materials, some were the fault of the users...
One for instance on user error for lack of a better term...
In 2006 I had a guy with a 2005 Allegiance that had both cams bend on him while he was shooting the course at the Erie, PA IBO. He came to the booth, ticked off, swearing, threatening to get drunk and drive home and told me the bow was junk...
He asks me if the bow could be fixed under warranty and at first I wasn't sure but then I look the bow over and had to tell him no...
Why? Because the bow was not even close to being as it was when it left the factory...
Why? Because he personally stripped the finish off of the riser and cams himself then he anodized the riser and buffer polished the cams himself...
Why would this void the warranty? Because he used oven cleaner to strip the anodizing from the cams and the film dip from the riser. It was diagnosed that the cams were overheated from the over cleaner which took the temper out of them.
In the end I put brand new cams on it putting all of the cam spacers back where they "belonged" and told him it would probably be best if he not mess with it as I had it set back to factory specs. Then he was happy and went on his way...
And yes, I've also had to change some limbs over the years. I had to keep records of any and all repairs and from 2000-2009 I changed 9 sets of limbs...And as I said earlier, I attended hundreds of events in that time frame.
And no, I wouldn't want my friends to lose their jobs but you have to ask yourself... Should these people be selling or making products available to people if they don't believe in them?
As a matter of fact, I consider many of the people out there not only good friends but extended family...
So I ask, if they're his family & friends, why come on here and put their jobs in jeopardy? He could have just said he heard it from people but he insisted that it was him family and friends saying this... Had it not been for that I wouldn't have quesitoned it...
I asked him to PM the names to me so it wouldn't be public knowledge and to see who he knows that works there... Just curious is all...
01-29-2010, 06:54 AM
#33
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Southern MD
Posts: 2,520
Well, maybe I am unlucky. Out of all the staff, you are the one I still have confidense in. I notice you generally stay out of the "spin", and usually do not belittle or demean "customers". And I thank you for that. Your integrity is safe with me.
But you are very close to these people. Seems like personally and professionally. And sometimes that makes people see things in a different light. For instance the father the sideline watching his son not getting any gametime, and he beleives his son is the next Joe Montana. Rest of us have a different take. I mean the father truely believes his son is that good.
But you are very close to these people. Seems like personally and professionally. And sometimes that makes people see things in a different light. For instance the father the sideline watching his son not getting any gametime, and he beleives his son is the next Joe Montana. Rest of us have a different take. I mean the father truely believes his son is that good.
The fact of the matter is, if you can't man up and stand behind your claims with your real name and not some internet made up name then how credible can a person be? At least all of the proBowtech folks make claims behind their real names and you can decide what you think of their claims based on your knowledge of them. How can you decide what you think of a product based on some unamed person's claims?
Some bows have problems, no one denies that and you may very well have a lemon unfortunately but, with the huge volume out on the market you have to consider the percentage. Of course you will hear about bad experiences the most, people with bad experiences with any product tend to squeak the loudest when they do not feel they have been treated fairly. Doesn't mean they haven't been treated fairly, just means they think they haven't.
01-29-2010, 07:20 AM
#34
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dover, PA USA
Posts: 5,497
i have a big objection to buying this bow right now and this post will probly make people mad but 1 a friend of mine overlooks sales and said the first few shipments of limbs were defective and after not solving the problem they used the ones they thought were good and started putting them together and alot of them were blowing up after assembly,they sent a bunch out and when dealers were opening up the boxes the bows were blown up and they were getting tons back,2nd they were braggin about getting limbs cheaper than anyone at the trade show for $7 something a limb.my friend gets bowtechs free and won't shhot the dystroyer I would just say to wait a few years before trying this let them work out the bugs first before you spend your hard earned money.
I also live in Eugene and work for Bowtech (in the sales department) and will absolutely stake my reputation and JOB on the fact that what you are saying is 100% nonsense......every last bit of it from the limbs being bad, to bows blowing up to them being cheap. Are you kidding me?
The Hardcore limb might be the most expensive well made bow limbs on the market in both materials and cost of construction.
I will gladly sign my name to this and if you want to discuss it further take a spin on over to the factory and ask for me.....
Also do you realize that there are potentially very real legal ramifications for what you are doing?
Matt Mickey
Key Accounts Specialist
Bowtech
01-29-2010, 09:14 AM
#35
Guest
Posts: n/a
I understand where you are coming from but if there were as many bows blowing up as blacktail4ever suggests there would be a whole lot more people than just him talking about. The General actually did have a problem and, even when the proBowtech folks tried to blow it off as a non-issue it was still a problem and eventually had to be addressed. If limbs were blowing up left and right, like blacktail4ever suggests, the proBowtech folks wouldn't be able to suppress that either.
The fact of the matter is, if you can't man up and stand behind your claims with your real name and not some internet made up name then how credible can a person be? At least all of the proBowtech folks make claims behind their real names and you can decide what you think of their claims based on your knowledge of them. How can you decide what you think of a product based on some unamed person's claims?
Some bows have problems, no one denies that and you may very well have a lemon unfortunately but, with the huge volume out on the market you have to consider the percentage. Of course you will hear about bad experiences the most, people with bad experiences with any product tend to squeak the loudest when they do not feel they have been treated fairly. Doesn't mean they haven't been treated fairly, just means they think they haven't.
The fact of the matter is, if you can't man up and stand behind your claims with your real name and not some internet made up name then how credible can a person be? At least all of the proBowtech folks make claims behind their real names and you can decide what you think of their claims based on your knowledge of them. How can you decide what you think of a product based on some unamed person's claims?
Some bows have problems, no one denies that and you may very well have a lemon unfortunately but, with the huge volume out on the market you have to consider the percentage. Of course you will hear about bad experiences the most, people with bad experiences with any product tend to squeak the loudest when they do not feel they have been treated fairly. Doesn't mean they haven't been treated fairly, just means they think they haven't.
I think the whole general thing is what left a bad taste in my mouth. Anybody that knows me knows I was big bowtech fanboy until that. Then I still had much love for em. But then I was hit with a rash of problems. Still had love for em. Understand in mfg enviroment things happen. Then I sent a bow back for repair. Came back worse than it left 3 months later.
And I still haven't publically came out and explained the event. Because I still think thier designs are revolutionary. Extremely innovative.
01-29-2010, 03:57 PM
#36
Spike
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 92
ok so this may now be a bow bash going on here which was not my intention again.my personal problem is my deal with them I really don't care what other people try to say.I have had serious problems with the bows and I have been very dissapointed by that.As I said before I would love to shoot a bowtech again becouse i love thwe way they shoot.they are the smoothest bow I have shot in a long time,but I have had enuf limbs break on me to not want to shoot them.I can get a bowtech for a third of the price of my mathews but i have been paying more becouse my confidence is not there anymore.I just want this issue out there so it can be noticed by bowtech staff and something be done about it.I know there is a problem.It is no secret.you know we were all bowtech fans here when they came and opened here,but after the majority of us have had serious problems I only know a handful of bowtech shooters now.it seems every time I punch in bowtech on the search engine all it is is stories how another bowtech blew up.I am not the only one and I can't say that enuf.You can call me a lier but you cab't call the thousands of people who post daily on this problem
01-29-2010, 04:04 PM
#37
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Hughesville, PA
Posts: 2,590
I will gladly sign my name to this and if you want to discuss it further take a spin on over to the factory and ask for me.....
Also do you realize that there are potentially very real legal ramifications for what you are doing?
Also do you realize that there are potentially very real legal ramifications for what you are doing?
01-29-2010, 05:25 PM
#38
Spike
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 92
I can guarantee that what is said here is nothing more than a straight lie.
I also live in Eugene and work for Bowtech (in the sales department) and will absolutely stake my reputation and JOB on the fact that what you are saying is 100% nonsense......every last bit of it from the limbs being bad, to bows blowing up to them being cheap. Are you kidding me?
The Hardcore limb might be the most expensive well made bow limbs on the market in both materials and cost of construction.
I will gladly sign my name to this and if you want to discuss it further take a spin on over to the factory and ask for me.....
Also do you realize that there are potentially very real legal ramifications for what you are doing?
Matt Mickey
Key Accounts Specialist
Bowtech
I also live in Eugene and work for Bowtech (in the sales department) and will absolutely stake my reputation and JOB on the fact that what you are saying is 100% nonsense......every last bit of it from the limbs being bad, to bows blowing up to them being cheap. Are you kidding me?
The Hardcore limb might be the most expensive well made bow limbs on the market in both materials and cost of construction.
I will gladly sign my name to this and if you want to discuss it further take a spin on over to the factory and ask for me.....
Also do you realize that there are potentially very real legal ramifications for what you are doing?
Matt Mickey
Key Accounts Specialist
Bowtech
01-29-2010, 06:37 PM
#39
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Oh USA
Posts: 1,584
.......it seems every time I punch in bowtech on the search engine all it is is stories how another bowtech blew up.I am not the only one and I can't say that enuf.You can call me a lier but you cab't call the thousands of people who post daily on this problem.......
01-29-2010, 08:08 PM
#40
Spike
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 92
I am always comparing bows and whats new with the industries, the internet is a good way to do that.alot of times you find out alot more about manufacturer defects than you will anywhere else.Have you ever compared or looked for defects anywhere besides the manufacturer.thats kinda why people put post up here in the first place to ask questions and see what the average consumer has to say.Seems I am only being critisized by bowtech shooters and pro staff.I can understand that.Me I am pretty open to any brand as long as the quality is up to par.Yet at work there is a guy who bowtech sponsors and he is just like you guys bowtech is his god and he will not shoot nothing else,yet he has seen all my bows crack limbs right along with his crackin limbs,like I said if it were not for the limb problems I have had I would be shooting a bowtech right now.you can't say it's my fault Todd at bowtech always had my bows set up for me in the factory and I never miss handled my bow or dry fired it.