monster 7 or z7
 

I just got back into bowhunting after taking 5 years off with back trouble and was wondering which bow is better suited as a hunting bow.I booked a hunt to kansas and am planning on ordering one in the next few weeks.Any help would be a plus

I have Not shot the Monster 7 but I have shot the regular Monster and the Z7 my choice would be a hands down the Z7.

Dan

We have a Monster 7" that came in earlier this week and it is a far different bow than the previous two monsters.

The original monsters were much easier to tune than the Reezens but they were very top heavy and had a harsh draw cycle so people stayed away from them for the most part last year. The monster 7 is a totally different feeling bow. It is extremely stable in the hand with the nearly straight riser. It does not have a tendency to jump sideways at the shot like the bows with extreme reflexed risers do (Z7 and Reezens), it draws much easier than the previous monsters, and it isn't "top heavy" at all like the previous monsters, Reezens or Z7.

Having shot the reezens, all of the monsters and the Z7 I would buy the Monster 7 over any other Mathews hunting bow in the line up this year. No doubt about it.

bigbulls, do you know the overall weight of the Monster 7? Were they able to trim the weight down compared to the original Monster?

Dan

I haven't weighed the tow but I think it is just a tad lighter but probably not enough to notice.

The riser should be s bit stiffer though with the same cross structure as the Z7.

I have the monster XlR8 and just bought the z7 and have shot the other 2 monsters.the Z7 is ok but I still a more accurate with my XLR8.the only down side to the XLR8 is the wieght,But once you get use to it it is the best bow I have owned in many years.I have a 25yd pin and a 40 then 50 60 70.There is almost no differance in 10 to 40 yards my pins literally touch.what a flat shooter.excelent hunting bow lightning fast and hard hitter.it is a great bow.the 5 inch brace hieght is pretty short but if you are a experianced shooter it won't be a problem.

I have shot arrows at over 400fps and there is quite a bit of difference from 10 to 40 yards even at those speeds. Just how Fast are you shooting?

How many inches of drop do you consider almost No difference?

Dan

what bow did you shoot at over 400fps since there are only suposedly a couple out there

I shoot a mathews monster XLR8 28" at 70# with axis 400 arrows and 100gr. tips and I am at 334.the pins are set at 25 then 40 and are touching I am hitting about 1.5'' low at 40 with my 25 at 10 to 30 i am within 1/2 inch

A bow shooting 325fps sighted in at 20 yards will drop 12.82" at 40 yards

A bow shooting 350fps sighted in at 20 yards will drop 10.81" at 40 yards.

These are the Facts. You can argue with them, but it does Not matter, they are still the facts:wink:

Arrow trajectory charts are easy to find, and are always spot on. A Bow shooting 334fps sighted in at 25 yards will drop more than 1.5" at 40 yards.

Dan

these arrow charts you are talking about must be the cheapo ones. did you calculate all the variable factor here or did you just punch in some random numbers. I am not trying to insult you and sorry if it seems that way. "the archery program"is a good true one it calculates alot more than fps and and arrow grains. I have it for a chart on my target bow and it is dead on.I will run my XLR8 on it and show the results.I might be dropping more than an 1.5 inches who knows but my 2 pins are touching at 25 to 40 infact next season I am doing 25 to 45 and up by ten

i came up with -.04 at 10yds,.00 at 25yds,-4.38 at 40 so sorry if not being an inch and a half i was proly holding high I only tried it while I was sighting in at 40 still that is very flat

That's generally the case! People hold high and don't even realize it.

I'd still bet your arrow will drop more than 4.38" from 25yards to 40 yards. 4.38" is almost 3 times the drop you 1st claimed. You're getting closer.:wink:

I've shot lots of different combinations at higher speeds. Like I said even at over 400fps you can't say that it hardly drops any because even at those speeds it drops a considerable amount.:cool:

I like speed but an arrow still drops even out of a fast bow. That's the reason I use a rangefinder.:happy0001:

Dan

I took the calculations of the archery program withthe full details of my set up i don't think it gets mor accurate than that unless you are in the factory tuning it threw machines

Z7 is getting reviews that it is the best bow Mathews has ever put out, since the Switchback in 04 0r 05 when it came out.

I realize there are variables that may affect these charts but they will not vary by a very big percentage. These are pretty much inline with my hands on experience as well. These should make for interesting reading.

http://home.att.net/~sajackson/ballistics.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6360184/arrow-drop

1. Start by shooting a group with your bow at a target from 20 yards using your 20 yard pin.
2. Mark the center of your group.
3. Next, shoot from 40 yards , still using your 20 yard pin and aiming at the same point on the target as before.
4. Mark the center of this group.
5. Finally, measure the distance between the two marks.
6.Refer to the numbers below for your arrow speed.
Approximate Arrow Speed (fps) Spread between 20 & 40 yard groups (inches)


Just how fast would you have to shoot to drop just 6"?

Dan

check out "the archery program" it is abviously more in depththan the progam u use.That figure you put up is way to cheesy. Put in your figures and see for yourself

If you want more solid proof download "the archery program" put a mathews DXT signle cam then a monster XLR8 duel cam in with all the same set ups arrows shooting the same # and fps there is more than 2 inches differance drop at 20 yds 12 more ftlbs of KE, 30fps volocity.you tell me there is not a differance when using cheap charts.check this for yourself before you post against me again.

I don't need any other programs. My post was made from hands on experience the figures I posted (from 3 different sources) were for your and others benefit. If you think all those are off by 200 or 300%. Fine!

Just don't expect me to believe it. I've shot a bow or 2 in 41 years and many of those years was spent shooting a 1 pin nonadjustable sight where knowing your arrow trajectory was of the utmost importance to success.

Have a Great Day!:happy0001:

Dan

The Monster 7 is tack driver. Awesome bow!!!

i am sorry you feel that way but these programs i am reffering to are dead on. If you want a real true program you need to check these out. this is as advanced as they come. just becouse 2 bows shoot the same fps and draw wieght and arrow does not mean they will have the same drop. I am not trying to offend you it is just fact

They won't be off 200% and that's what you are saying, and it's not happening. I'll bet your Bow and arrow combo that is shooting 334fps will drop more from 25 yds to 40 yds than 4.38"

I like sure bets!:biggrin:

Dan

I appoligise for being wrong here after a bunch of research I found what I put to be wrong about two bows shooting the same fps having two different drops.the program was recalculating the fps automaticly when i put in the lbs. But they still say I drop 4.38" from 25 to 40 and I know that thats got to be on becouse I have checked over and over.at least I learned something new by fighting my post:happy0001: it is still super flat to 10 to 25

I shot both and I much preferred the Z7. The Monster had to radical of a draw cycle for me. The Z7 is the smoothest drawing and shooting bow that I have shot for a long time.

No doubt about that:wink:

25 to 40 is a different ball game:party0005:

Dan