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hardcorehunter 12-30-2009 03:14 PM
Bowtech Destroyer/Buys Beware
 
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1095166

The cam is WAY too close to the limb for my liking. On that thread on AT, I see the original poster of that thread, whom lives in New York, has just forked out over 9 bills for a bow, and he is concerned, as there is a bow in the shop with scrapes on the limb. I see another guy, Tozer from Oregon, whom owns one, and he has scrapes on his too. Then a guy, that is a recurve shooter from North Carolina, and he simply went into shoot a Destroyer at a dealer in NC and he takes pics of the same scrape marks. Coincidence?? I haven't seen where any of these guys say that dealers put the scrape in the limb, but the Bowtech Corporate Advisors are claiming these occurred from dumb bow shop techs:s13:. Time will tell, I just wanted to give you all a heads up.:party0005:

halfbakedi420 12-30-2009 03:17 PM
if it walks like a duck!!

Ben / PA 12-30-2009 04:38 PM
It's bad enough that you brought this issue back from two other forums, but to post it twice? Come on HCH.

hardcorehunter 12-30-2009 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Ben / PA (Post 3543062)
It's bad enough that you brought this issue back from two other forums, but to post it twice? Come on HCH.
server error. ?? I only brought this off of AT. I was notified via PM that this issue was locked on that other joke of a forum, and swept under the rug.

Rob/PA Bowyer 12-30-2009 05:21 PM
First, the thread, info was already here. We (HNI) don't need a redundant thread on a NON issue.

Don, please. Did you even read the entire thread? Straight from an BowTech.




There is not a problem with cams or the limbs or a function of both and the mark you see is not caused by any defect, lean, or anything relating to the shooting or performance of the bow.

The mark in question is one that can be made when the cam is rotated during assembly or changing the draw length
The upper rounded lobe of the cam is slightly larger than the "Pointed" end that rotates through the fork and if the dealer,builder, or customer gets a touch heavy handed in either assembly or changing draw length and tries to rotate the cam too far while doing so they can cause that exact swipe mark in the In Velvet clear coat.
It can give the appearance that the cam is hitting or rubbing the fork in that area when drawing or shooting.......it is not.

If you have one in a press and remove the string and cables from their tracks and try to rotate the cam 360 degrees you will see exactly what I'm talking about.....the rounded lobe will contact in that exact spot and can leave that mark.

Even though the tolerances ARE very tight in this area, the way the cams are keyed to the axle the relationship of the cam to the limb fork cannot change and you will not see any degredation over time or any lean imparted. Basically if the cam isn't rubbing at full draw (which it is not or you would feel it immediately) it cannot "degrade" over time and somehow work its way into a position where it would/could contact the limb down the road while shooting......the way the cam and axle fit together will not allow this to happen.


Matt Mickey
Key Accounts Specialist
End of story!

Rob/PA Bowyer 12-30-2009 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by hardcorehunter (Post 3543088)
server error. ?? I only brought this off of AT. I was notified via PM that this issue was locked on that other joke of a forum, and swept under the rug.
Don't be an ass Don. The "issue" was addressed. Don't know who locked it but it was closed, both as an issue and as a thread. Apparently someone with class saw it as moot, the same as this attempt.

The only thing that needs to be brought to attention is that a little tiny mark can be there IF the cam is over rotated. Nothing more. Relax. Go back to your Strothers Fanboy site.

hardcorehunter 12-30-2009 06:43 PM
Hmm...end of story...lol. Very Childish Rob
:party0005:

hardcorehunter 12-30-2009 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by Rob/PA Bowyer (Post 3543111)
Don't be an ass Don. The "issue" was addressed. Don't know who locked it but it was closed, both as an issue and as a thread. Apparently someone with class saw it as moot, the same as this attempt.

The only thing that needs to be brought to attention is that a little tiny mark can be there IF the cam is over rotated. Nothing more. Relax. Go back to your Strothers Fanboy site.
Hmm...I don't know if we have all of the facts. No one has seen these so called,"bad pro shop workers" actually make the marks on these bows. We are only being told that this is how they happened by Bowtech and their corporate staff advisories. I, and others aren't convinced just because you and Matt say so. BTW, don't tell me where to go, you are the one out of line and acting like a little cry baby cause someone posted pics of Bowtechs all over the nation with a mark on their limbs from too tight of clearance,
Time to lock this thread and sweep it under the rug, as it might affect sells and we wouldn't want the public to be aware of any contact issues with these Bowtechs.

Rob/PA Bowyer 12-30-2009 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by hardcorehunter (Post 3543231)
Hmm...I don't know if we have all of the facts. No one has seen these so called,"bad pro shop workers" actually make the marks on these bows. We are only being told that this is how they happened by Bowtech and their corporate staff advisories. I, and others aren't convinced just because you and Matt say so. BTW, don't tell me where to go, you are the one out of line and acting like a little cry baby cause someone posted pics of Bowtechs all over the nation with a mark on their limbs from too tight of clearance
Now you name call? Classic Don. And who's this not convinced, seems everyone with the marks realize this. Most tested it and it's a fact that NONE of the cams in question touch the limbs. No one said it's strictly "bad pro shop workers" as you put. Some may have been heavy handed at the factory, some at the shops etc.. I think anyone with any intelligence can see and realize the situation. The only ones voicing true concern, A. Don't own one, B. Want to bash. Nothing more.

Too tight of clearance? It's tight tolerances for a reason, flawless performance.

hardcorehunter 12-30-2009 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Rob/PA Bowyer (Post 3543245)
Now you name call? Classic Don. And who's this not convinced, seems everyone with the marks realize this. Most tested it and it's a fact that NONE of the cams in question touch the limbs. No one said it's strictly "bad pro shop workers" as you put. Some may have been heavy handed at the factory, some at the shops etc.. I think anyone with any intelligence can see and realize the situation. The only ones voicing true concern, A. Don't own one, B. Want to bash. Nothing more.

Too tight of clearance? It's tight tolerances for a reason, flawless performance.
You call me an ass, I call you a crybaby. Yep, we both did name calling, but you started it. I don't know why all of the excitement, if they are ,"flawless performance" as you claim, then these will sell like hotcakes, and no one will care if these get limb scratches from idiot techs.

Rob/PA Bowyer 12-30-2009 07:05 PM
Originally Posted by hardcorehunter (Post 3543262)
You call me an ass, I call you a crybaby. Yep, we both did name calling, but you started it. I don't know why all of the excitement, if they are ,"flawless performance" as you claim, then these will sell like hotcakes, and no one will care if these get limb scratches from idiot techs.
Don, they are flawless and they are selling like hotcakes. The waiting list is lengthening daily and production is high. Even those with marks tested their bows and there is ZERO cam contact. Even the thread starter (atlas) has ZERO contact. Matt PA put the marks on his own bow at the factory when he changed his draw length by over rotating the cam. That's it in a simple fact, it's the end of the story, and certainly NOT childish.

You know you'll never own one so what's your agenda other than bashing? Your pretty much making false insinuations and you know it.

hardcorehunter 12-30-2009 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by Rob/PA Bowyer (Post 3543276)
Don, they are flawless and they are selling like hotcakes. The waiting list is lengthening daily and production is high. Even those with marks tested their bows and there is ZERO cam contact. Even the thread starter (atlas) has ZERO contact. Matt PA put the marks on his own bow at the factory when he changed his draw length by over rotating the cam. That's it in a simple fact, it's the end of the story, and certainly NOT childish.

You know you'll never own one so what's your agenda other than bashing? Your pretty much making false insinuations and you know it.
Maybe these marks got on these bows from what Matt is saying, or from extensive shooting. Time will tell. Until then, buyer beware. Now, I owned 3 Bowtechs this year, an 82nd Airborne, a Tribute, and a Guardian. So, how do you know what I will buy this year? I also owned 4 Elites this year, and am down to one bow right now, an elite GTO. I am waiting for a new SR-71 Strother from Crackers to arrive. I buy, shoot, sell, trade bows all of the time. I have no agenda, but Bowtech Corporate advisers do.

bigbulls 12-30-2009 08:16 PM
If it comes from AT it isn't worth repeating.

That site is full of the biggest bunch of cry baby, panty waisted, worthless, **** starters I have ever seen...... and you want to bring it here. :nonono2: :nonono2: :nonono2:

Leave the rumor trash in the dumpster we know as Archery Talk.

bcrewcaptain 12-31-2009 02:48 AM
wow....horses aren't the only animals with blinders I see..

MeanV2 12-31-2009 03:37 AM
The haters and bashers are really searching hard.

You better try harder, and keep looking!:cool:

This is a Non issue!

Dan

MeanV2 12-31-2009 03:43 AM
Originally Posted by hardcorehunter (Post 3543315)
Maybe these marks got on these bows from what Matt is saying, or from extensive shooting. Time will tell.
I know you can read Don, but obviously you can't comprehend. There has been No Cam contact with a limb while shooting. It has been explained over & over how these tiny little marks got on the inside fork of the Limb.

Seems like your hero was using a Dremel not all that long ago. Gee how time flies! You will Never see BowTech address anything in a manner such as that!;)

You are Right "Time will Tell"

You need to get your hands on the Best Bow out there right now. Go shoot a Destroyer!!:cool2:

Dan

bigcountry 12-31-2009 04:10 AM
Originally Posted by hardcorehunter (Post 3543315)
Maybe these marks got on these bows from what Matt is saying, or from extensive shooting. Time will tell. Until then, buyer beware. Now, I owned 3 Bowtechs this year, an 82nd Airborne, a Tribute, and a Guardian. So, how do you know what I will buy this year? I also owned 4 Elites this year, and am down to one bow right now, an elite GTO. I am waiting for a new SR-71 Strother from Crackers to arrive. I buy, shoot, sell, trade bows all of the time. I have no agenda, but Bowtech Corporate advisers do.
I thought you was a bowtech man. Or at least had respect for them.

I never have liked this method bowtech corporate shooters have used to keep the lid on problems. They take customers like you and I and try to make us look stupid. Especially on a supposal "unbias" forum. And they use that forum for thier own agenda. Its just freakin sad. Even have moderators on here breaking forum rules calling people names. Grown freakin men. Just to pimp a product.

hardcorehunter 12-31-2009 04:56 AM
Originally Posted by bigbulls (Post 3543325)
Archery Talk.
Best archery site on the web. It is the largest, and has a wealth of information. You will see a little squabble now and then, but with 100,000 members and a very active forum, one can expect that. It is my go to forum for knowledge on the latest gear and equipment.
I get along fine with members there, met some great guys, and have been treated with the upmost respect by others. The personal attacks and bashing I experience only comes from members or mods here, or from that other site that a few groupies ran too(and made this site much better btw).:barmy:

hardcorehunter 12-31-2009 04:57 AM
Originally Posted by bigcountry (Post 3543417)
I thought you was a bowtech man. Or at least had respect for them.

I never have liked this method bowtech corporate shooters have used to keep the lid on problems. They take customers like you and I and try to make us look stupid. Especially on a supposal "unbias" forum. And they use that forum for thier own agenda. Its just freakin sad. Even have moderators on here breaking forum rules calling people names. Grown freakin men. Just to pimp a product.
Yep, I have loved all of my Bowtechs. I couldn't have said it better BC. The reason I don't hang out here much.

hardcorehunter 12-31-2009 05:06 AM
Originally Posted by MeanV2 (Post 3543390)
I know you can read Don, but obviously you can't comprehend. There has been No Cam contact with a limb while shooting. It has been explained over & over how these tiny little marks got on the inside fork of the Limb.

Seems like your hero was using a Dremel not all that long ago. Gee how time flies! You will Never see BowTech address anything in a manner such as that!;)

You are Right "Time will Tell"

You need to get your hands on the Best Bow out there right now. Go shoot a Destroyer!!:cool2:

Dan
Explained over and over by Corporate Bowtech Advisory guys like you that either sell them or benefit from promoting Bowtech, and others that have a venue to protect Bowtech from any bad press.:s4: The guys that own the bows haven't stated that their bows were damaged by the explanation we are being force fed, and no dealer has come on and admitted he scratched the bows with his lack of skill as a tech. The pics show the cam so tight against the limb, that it is fathomable there is going to be issues. Limbs flex, twist, and cams can move.

hardcorehunter 12-31-2009 05:20 AM
Originally Posted by hardcorehunter (Post 3543315)
Maybe these marks got on these bows from what Matt is saying, or from extensive shooting. Time will tell. Until then, buyer beware. Now, I owned 3 Bowtechs this year, an 82nd Airborne, a Tribute, and a Guardian. So, how do you know what I will buy this year? I also owned 4 Elites this year, and am down to one bow right now, an elite GTO. I am waiting for a new SR-71 Strother from Crackers to arrive. I buy, shoot, sell, trade bows all of the time. I have no agenda, but Bowtech Corporate advisers do.
Excuse me; I made an error, I bought another Bowtech this year, and still have it. An Equalizer for my girlfriend. She still has it.:p

Rob/PA Bowyer 12-31-2009 05:24 AM
Originally Posted by hardcorehunter (Post 3543451)
Explained over and over by Corporate Bowtech Advisory guys like you that either sell them or benefit from promoting Bowtech, and others that have a venue to protect Bowtech from any bad press.:s4: The guys that own the bows haven't stated that their bows were damaged by the explanation we are being force fed, and no dealer has come on and admitted he scratched the bows with his lack of skill as a tech. The pics show the cam so tight against the limb, that it is fathomable there is going to be issues. Limbs flex, twist, and cams can move.
NO DON! FROM MATT! He over sees it, looked into it and resolved it.
There is NO limb contact, the tolerances are tight for a reason.

Big Country, seriously? You of all people taking that road? Please. Don is strictly being an instigator, creating false accusations, the Corp Staff are suppose to assist in issues, they have done that and yet there are people truly reaching to find an issue that doesn't exist. What are they/we to do? There is NO issue with cam/limb contact while in the act of shooting! The only time a cam can contact the limb is while the bow is in a press and the cam is rotated where the lower lobe can touch the limb creating that little tiny mark in the finish, not construction of the limb itself. There is nothing to sweep under the rug, there is nothing to keep the lid on. There is no functional, performance issue. I'll keep your reported posts in mind when I read and get reports on your posts from here on out. Thank you for the eye opener. ;)

hardcorehunter 12-31-2009 05:30 AM
Originally Posted by Rob/PA Bowyer (Post 3543475)

Don is strictly being an instigator, creating false accusations. ;)
Lol...so I Posted those pics on AT of the scraped limbs? Now I am a liar and an instigator?? Wow, what ridiculous behavior you "fanboys" will resort to.

Some of us would like to hear from "actual" owners that the Pinto is OK instead of from Ford Motor Company.

Rob/PA Bowyer 12-31-2009 05:49 AM
Originally Posted by hardcorehunter (Post 3543479)
Lol...so I Posted those pics on AT of the scraped limbs? Now I am a liar and an instigator?? Wow, what ridiculous behavior you "fanboys" will resort to.

Some of us would like to hear from "actual" owners that the Pinto is OK instead of from Ford Motor Company.
You make me laugh Don.

You posted no pictures on AT Don. I searched your posts. No pictures of scraped limbs and there is NO ONE that has said they've seen the cams scrape while in the draw or shooting process. NO one. atlasman started all the insinuations and his bow has no marks and never will if they never press it again. I'm sure he'll never have them because he'll over see that the cam doesn't get over rotated.

Love your underlying attacks Don, classic Don while back peddling. I'll tell you what, when my 340 comes in, I'll purposely show video about how it's done. That little mark on the inside of my limbs won't bother me in the list. All 6 bows hanging in my basement right now have worse marks from every day use.

Keep trying to find an issue that doesn't exist. :p

bigcountry 12-31-2009 06:18 AM
Originally Posted by Rob/PA Bowyer (Post 3543475)
NO DON! FROM MATT! He over sees it, looked into it and resolved it.
There is NO limb contact, the tolerances are tight for a reason.

Big Country, seriously? You of all people taking that road? Please. Don is strictly being an instigator, creating false accusations, the Corp Staff are suppose to assist in issues, they have done that and yet there are people truly reaching to find an issue that doesn't exist. What are they/we to do? There is NO issue with cam/limb contact while in the act of shooting! The only time a cam can contact the limb is while the bow is in a press and the cam is rotated where the lower lobe can touch the limb creating that little tiny mark in the finish, not construction of the limb itself. There is nothing to sweep under the rug, there is nothing to keep the lid on. There is no functional, performance issue. I'll keep your reported posts in mind when I read and get reports on your posts from here on out. Thank you for the eye opener. ;)
Rob, I am not sure how much more Don could be a bowtech fanboy. He's probabaly owned more than 90% of all bowtech owners, and I have too.

I went to the mat being a fanboy when the whole general thing went down. Never again will I stick my neck out like that for bowtech.

I know bowtech did not ask for me to stick my neck out, but what I am trying to explain is I will not automatically doubt problems reported on the internet until bowtech decides to do a major recall.


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