30+ cull bucks taken.
 

I call this BS! Picture was taken in MI. I dont know the whole story but supposidly these bucks were all labeled as "cull" bucks so they took them out of the heard. They were only fined for 10 untagged deer. But yet you
see the DNR taking a picture with the guys.


From the raid on St. Martins Island on Nov. 19, 2009.
31 bucks and 9 does on the pole. Nothing smaller than a 7 point.
Another approx. 10 deer, antlers, and heads found on the ground around
the camp. A mix of smaller bucks and does.

10 deer without tags, approx. another 10 deer with wives/girlfriends
tags. Investigation continues.

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That is rediculous to shoot that many deer that must put a monster dent in thh herd.

If those are cull bucks (whatever that term means, I know somehow inferior to the herd) then I'd love to see what they got wlaking around that they say is good.

What would be considered a cull buck. 2.5 or 3.5 year old deer with an 8pt rack at 16 inches??? When don't have crytsal balls to know how well they will grow in 2 years. Or do you need to wait until they get up to 6.5 or 7.5 years old on their way down.

Sometimes I thik QDM is getting a bit outta hand.

Sometimes! I think it is awesome if people want to make sure the herd is healthy but it seems most of it is about giant racks that bring in money.

That is a benefit of good nutrition but I doubt most of them are doing it for the right reason. It doesn't really matter though cause we all could argue until we are blue in the face about it.

Wow im shocked they shot that many bucks in Michigan. DNR are pointless they just create problems half of them don't know what their doing. Everyone is so stuck on shooting monsters and geting the buck to doe ratio right that does are being wacked left and right. None of those bucks are cull bucks, I agree with treedub they don't know what is going to happen in a few years to those bucks
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Now I haven't blown this picture up, but I don't see a drop of blood on any of the deer ???

something tells me next season some frustration is gonna set in when there not seeing as many deer of this caliber. There calling them Cull bucks thats just rediculous they shot them cause they could no management involved im sure

I got this same pic in a e-mail today but it was about a DNR investigation and raid on this group of guys for shooting those deer, not for culling bucks. Who knows what the real story is. Here is the e-mail, Terry Short is the DNR officer who lead the raid.

From our raid on St. Martins Island on Nov. 19, 2009.



31 bucks and 9 does on the pole. Nothing smaller than a 7 point.

Another approx. 10 deer, antlers, and heads found on the ground around

the camp. A mix of smaller bucks and does.



10 deer without tags, approx. another 10 deer with wives/girlfriends

tags. Investigation continues.



Terry

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Eh, doesn't say how many hunters (though I guess I could count the number of dudes in the pic) or how large an area they covered...or what the population was like before.

Still, that's pretty insane and to me....way overboard.

I'm not really into the whole scientific management stuff but....part of my family has a portion of our old ranch and has carefully managed their deer within a high fence and has ...not necassarily superior bucks but more big deer.

But...I'd hate to be all 'shoot this one, DON'T shoot that one, he's okay, I'll bend the rules for you but not you, blah, blah'. The game camera pics from my place where we practice common sense management indicate that we have some nice deer.

Well if that was a bust by the DNR... thats the happiest group of guys after being busted i've ever seen!!!! Almost everyone with out a badge on is smiling....

the investigation continues, eh? well, it looks like the three individuals to the far right in the top picture are pretty cheery and happy

If those are cull bucks why were there 30 of them, shouldent you only be a cupple a season?

Well cull, in terms of dairy cattle, means to terminate from the population. They must have a specific standard for their bucks and got rid of some.

Was their goal to reduce #s of deer? you can shoot all the bucks you want and does will still get bred, just means less bucks will be doing the majority of the breeding.

Taking 30 does would reduce overall numbers way more than taking 30 bucks IMO.

Something isnt right, why is EVERYONE smiling? Would you be smiling, next to DNR knowing that fines and possible loss of guns, ATV's, trucks, and hunting rights for a few years is highly likely?

No crap man. I was watching a QDMA show on outdoor channel. They talked about this subject. The took a few pics of deer with bad racks and asked the guys on the show is they would cull them. Most said yes. They showed the pics from the next season and 80% of them where trophy deer. They asked would you cull them in this pic. Most said no but i would shoot and stuff them. :busted:
Now i would shoot any of them. But i am just hungry.

I would say it was just a hunt and cull. The Cos and dnr guy are smiling ear to ear.

Do not get this confused with QDM. In most areas, QDMA does not promote harvesting "cull" bucks, because by maturity these bucks typically catch up.

QDM is about 2 things: harvesting an adequate number of female deer to balance the herd with the available habitat, and balancing the buck age structure so the herd contains bucks in all age classes (yearling, immature 2.5-3.5, and mature 4.5).

The benefits are immense. QDMA promotes passing of all yearing and preferably 2.5s as well. Anything above and beyond that is getting closer to trophy management by definition.

I may be going out on a limb here because I am not familair with the habitat and size of the property these bucks were taken on. However, QDMA would never support decimating the entire buck segment of the population. The social stress that would subsequently occur would result in: a longer breeding season, reduced antler growth due to breeding related stress, and late born fawns.

Settle down folks!! 10 of these bucks/deer didn't have tags on them yet but the hunters had the tags. Citation's were giving out for untagged deer, nothing more as far as I know. These same hunters have been managing this Island for a while and their doing a good job with It by the looks of It. There's other photo's too of previous harvest's from other years of some great bucks. You think the Game Wardens and the hunters would be posing together smiling If there was other stuff going on with this hunt? I think not.

That's what I call success! Cull or no Cull! If they were taken legally, great. If they weren't then it appears that the proper authorities are there to write them up. This almost has to be a product of "herd managment" to see that many mature bucks, with those body sizes... ease up guy's, especially with out the facts...Go Michigan!

there are 20 bucks and 9 hunters in the picture. in MI you can shoot 2 bucks per person. i can see the foot of at least one more person outside of frame. so just with this picture i would say nothing is wrong and i agree with schultzy that they were probably just not tagged yet.. a fine only offense.

this looks insane but looks to be within the confines of the laws of michigan.

although i know of guys that do shoot much more than there share of bucks (2) per season. it is widely rampant in Michigan

Something just looks funny about the pic. As mentioned already there is no blood and everyone is happy. I don't care if it is a fine only offense, I'd be peeved to get it.

The background of the deer on the pole kinda has an outline with the hunters. I'm not sure but it just seems fishy to me. Might be totally legit though.

Anyhow, these seems a bit excessive, for any tract of land, high fenced, island or other.

Here's the pictures and the description I got in an email...

Pictures from a DNR raid on St. Martin's Island off of the U.P. on Nov. 19th, 2009.

31 Bucks and 9 Does on the pole, nothing smaller than a 7. Approx. 10 deer, antlers, and heads found around the camp. Also, a smaller mix of bucks and does...

10 deer without tags, another 10 with wives/girlfriends tags.

Think the fines will be a little high???

Obviously not a Wisconsin deer camp!!!

all i said basically is i see 36 at least!!!nice job on fillin the freezer...the un-tagged and the ones using the gf/wifey tags i do not agree with btw, they shouldd have ta drag there azzez out there and get them their selves!!