Scent Lok Lawsuit Update
 

Scent Lok Lawsuit Update
http://trmichels.com/ActivatedCarbonScience.htm

that's interesting even though i would never buy something that costs so much when i use now works just fine-mossyoak breakout,adv. realtree,scent killer, and most importantly play the wind!

I will still use it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXp3kv8fs_0


this is the evidence...lol....if you know anything about scent...you know that it is basically skin particals fallin to the ground...if you look at the dude in the tree you will see his pants are not tucked into his boots and his shirt is not tucked into his pants...his face is not covered and is not tucked into his suit...so letz do some apples to apples plz.....i can do better scent control w/o scent lok than this guy can with it...ninja plz :happy0001:

Based on my own experiences, I will still use it.

i am still going to use it, from my own personal experiences it gives me an advantage, it might just be a mental advantage, but it works for me, i had a deer directly down wind of me tonight and didnt bust me. i still hunt the wind as a number one rule but sometimes deer come from unexpected places like the deer tonight.

By: Brent(MassDriver)
“The carbon has been done working LONG before you even bought the garment.
Probably before the garment was sewn. Scent lok is INEFFECTIVE.
http://www.naturalsolutions1.com/whatcarb.htm
What is a ACTIVATED CARBON?
Before we explain Activated Carbon to you we first want you to understand how Carbon works with odors, gases and vapors. Many sellers of air cleaners with carbon in them simply DO NOT know how Carbon works and INCORRECTLY explain it. Once you understand HOW carbon works you will understand why MORE carbon is better and WHY those thin carbon pads on many cheap air cleaning units are useless.

What is Absorption and Adsorption?

Many times we see the statement: "Activated Carbon absorbs airborne odors and vapors." This is not a true statement. A true statement is: "Activated carbon adsorbs airborne odors and vapors." Do you see the difference? The word adsorb is important here. When a material adsorbs something, it means that it attaches to it by chemical attraction. The huge surface area of activated carbon gives it countless bonding sites. When odors and vapors pass next to the activated carbon surface, they attach to the surface of the carbon. They are added to the surface of the carbon, they are not absorbed by the carbon. They are adsorbed. To be absorbed by carbon the odors and vapors would have to be diffused into the carbon, not simply attached to it's surface. Carbon DOES NOT absorb, it adsorbs!

Here is a good example of the difference between the words "ABsorb" and "ADsorb":

If you have a cake and eat and swallow it, you are ABsorbing it. If someone throws a cake in your face, your face ADsorbed it!

Here is another one: If you use a sponge on your counter to clean up spilled milk and cookies, the milk is ABsorbed into the sponge. The cookie crums are ADsorbed to the outside 0of the sponge!

So, in air cleaning with carbon you NEVER ABSORB anything into the carbon. You ADSORB it onto the surface of the carbon!

History
Carbon is the most adsorbent material known to man and has been used to purify air and water for thousands of years. In fact, the use of carbon dates so far back into history that its exact origin has been impossible to document. Historians do know that as far back as 1500 BC the ancient Egyptians were using carbon to adsorb odors from festering wounds and from within the intestinal tract or to purify their water and that carbon filters were used for ventilating vapors and gases from 17th century London sewers. However it was the 20th century that saw the development of specially ‘activated’ granular carbon. With the introduction of poisonous gases during WW I, the military developed large scale production methods for adsorbent carbons suitable for use in gas-masks, which has led to a post-war expansion in commercial production and applications of this amazingly versatile substance.

What is Activated Carbon?

Many natural substances are used as the base material for producing carbon. The most common base materials used are wood, coal and coconut shell. These base materials are subjected to a process called carbonization. Carbonization is a heating process where by the base material is subjected to high temperature which drives out any volatiles. To activate the carbon it is subjected to a second heat and steam treatment. The activation of the carbon is what gives it it's unique adsorption characteristics. The activation of the carbon creates carbon which is highly porous providing a large surface area of the carbon for adsorption.

Carbon that is ‘activated’ undergoes a process which opens up millions of tiny pores and fissures to enhance the material’s adsorbent properties. The process creates a very large internal surface area, which is key to the power of activated carbon – the more surface area - the more the carbon can adsorb. Interesting to note that only 1 lb of activated carbon has typically a surface area of 125 acres or 200 linear miles of fissures. Due to the large internal surface area of activated carbons it can actually adsorb up to 60% of its weight. Good carbon filters of 10 lbs. or more, depending on the environment in which they are used, can last anywhere from 2 up to 5 years before all of the pores are full.

Are ALL Activated Carbon filters the same?

NO! Activated carbon can be enhanced and impregnated and/or custom blended to be a more specialized adsorbant. For an example: Using standard Activated Carbon (such as used for common household odors) is NOT effective in a Beauty Salon where ammonia and formaldehyde fumes are. The Activated Carbon for a Beauty Salon would be enhanced for those specific pollutants found in a Beauty Salon.

Does it matter how much activated carbon there is?

YES! Activated carbon adsorbs to it's surface. When there is no more surface left to adsorb to the carbon it is depleted of it's capability to be effective. Large amounts of carbon will last longer then small amounts because it has larger amounts of surface area for adsorption. Also, depending on amounts of pollutants being adsorbed, a small amount of carbon can be depleted within weeks making it useless.

Does it matter how thick an activated Carbon filter is?

YES! The more contact time the activated carbon has with a pollutant, the better chances of it adsorbing it. The thicker the carbon filter the better it's adsorption. If the pollutant has to go through a long maze of activated carbon it's chances are also greater of being adsorbed.

Which is more effective, a pad impregnated with carbon or granular activated carbon?

Granular Activated Carbon is more effective then a 1" or 2" thick impregnated carbon pad. Granular activated carbon will have much more surface area for adsorption than a impregnated pad. Also, an impregnated pad will have to be changed much for frequently then a canister of activated carbon. Keep in mind that the contact time the carbon has with a pollutant is less in a pad so it's adsorption rate is also less.

After the activated carbon has adsorbed all it can is there a way I can re-activate it at home?

NO! In order to re-activate activated-carbon, it must undergo a process called Pyrolysis. (The thermal decomposition of organic material through the application of heat in the absence of oxygen.). To fully re-activate saturated activated-carbon, you must heat it to approximately 1,472 °F, in a controlled atmosphere of low oxygen concentration to reduce the possibility of combustion. This fact is even stated in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers – Engineering and Design, Adsorption Design Guide, Design Guide No. DG1110-1-2.” Brent

looks like a bunch of cut and paste to me
but to each his own like i said befor

so the suit will work til the carbon is full is what i got outta it...i know ya might need a new suit every 3 months or so if you are out everyday!!!

The whole world is sue happy....If you don't believe in something then don't use it or spend your money on it. If guys want to use it let them alone.

Can anyone explain why the Military uses forms of carbon clothing?

I thought I read somwhere that a judge threw this lawsuit out in Scent loks favor.
I may be wrong.

i'll continue to use it whether it stops scent or not, simply because the clothing is always high quality.

What a friggin joke. The lawsuit AND the product. How is he going to prove that the deer winded him? A deer could smell ANYTHING. Bad breath, grease, make-up, old aftershave, hair, who knows what else.

I'm not sure who is the idiot here. The ones that believe that it works, the ones pursuing the lawsuit, or the judge that actually listens to the case.

Why not just learn how to hunt the wind??

Duh?

IMO.......it is to good to be true! I would never buy scent lok and I think there are way to many things then just your clothes that give you away. I hear guys all the time "If it gives me that little added advantage then it has accomplished what I intended it to do." IMO......that carbon stuff is a joke. There are three simple things that anyone can do to HELP them not get winded regardless of scent lok. 1. Take a freaking scent free shower before you go into the woods. 2. Wash your clothes in scent free soap after every hunt. 3. Keep your clothes as scent free as possible from the time you wash them till the time you enter the woods!

I have seen time after time guys in scent lok think they can walk through a gas spill before they hunt thinking they will go undetected.......hogwash! Save your money and take the steps mentioned above into more consideration then rushing out to buy some marketing ploy! I can see the next great invention out there to take the hunting world by storm and it isnt that stupi acorn chomper! Here it is.....a camo plastic bubble to go around your platform which has O2 tanks and filters your air before it re-enters the outside world. Its a one time thing cause you could shot through it. If I could make it practical and cheap guys would be all over it!

Here is some information that I found someone said about the case. I’m not sure if it is true or not.

Quote:
“Not to defend Scent Lok, I don't use their product, and I really don't know much about them as a company this post is the first time I ever looked at this, I thought I would point a couple things out. First the request to enjoin a class action lawsuit was denied in August. That actually helps Scent Lok in a couple ways. First, each plantiff will have to bring a seperate action with a different and unique set of case facts and request for damages. Each plantiff will seperately have to prove not only that the product was defective, was sold knowingly defective with intent to deceive, and that each plantiff had specific damages related specifically to their product.
Assuming that all these things could be proven the question becomes; what are the damages in the case. There are really two calculations, actual damages and puntative damages. Actual would be based on the cost of the Scent Lok product. Respondents counter would be that the cost of a scent lok product is relatively the same as another hunting garment and the plantiff did receive a usable hunting garmet. It would be up to a judge to decide the equity of that arguement but it ultimately will only be for a fairly small amount of money. The question becomes whether there is a substantial chance of receiving punatative damages. In that case the judge, (possibly jury) would decide if there was substantial enough evidence that the company operated in bad faith and wanted to punish them by awarding money. The risk that you have to take is whether your case, as a plaintiff, is strong enough that you will be awarded enough punative damages to cover your legal fees. Sometimes legal fees are awarded but it is never a sure bet and a plantiff is just as likely to lose and have to pay Scent Lok.
Second, on the topic of marketing claims, especially advertising slogans, it is really buyer beware.” Viator 12-2-09

"Your Honor, I'd like to bring Joe B. Buck to the stand"
"The court confirms the witness is a whitetail deer......proceed"
"Mr. Buck, can you smell the plantif"
"One grunt for yes, two grunts for no"

Chemical war.

Yep. :hit:

Never used it. Never believed it worked. And always thought that anybody that spent that kind of money for a hunting outfit was a *** wipe...

Military Chemical suits work better
 

I have used those ridicuously priced scent-lok suits for two seasons. I then bought a Military chemical suit for this years season. I have found that the military suit has more concentrated carbon than those scent-lok suits. Those scent lok and scent blocker suits are pretty much useless after 1 season due to the fact the consumer can't get the suit to a temperature to re-activate it. The Military Chemical suit should last for 2 to 3 seasons of average use for only about $50.00. I recommend only washing once when you purchase one. You then need to hang dry outside on an extra hot day in the summer.

I use a digital scent monitoring device instead of that garbage. Just put your finger in your mouth, remove, hold it out. Whichever side dries is the direction you walk. Wonder what Fred Bear would do? He had the best camo ever!! Let's see.....

Khaki pants
red/black flannel
brown hat
boots, or in the case of Africa high-top basketball shoes...black of course.

too bad he missed out on scent lok, he could have been a legend.

There are quite a few brands of hunting clothing that do not use carbon or any other type of odor reducing material in their products and they can cost the same if not more than Scent Lok. Most high quality camo is gonna cost you.

I bought the Scent Lok this year and I have not had a deer bust me yet. I have had them under the ladder of my stand sniffin right where I walked and they hung around for quite some time, and even had several bucks downwind of me that didnt bust me.

Im not saying that its ALL do to the fact of the carbon clothing, but hey I believe it helps. As stated before, If you like it buy it, if not dont worry about it. Its not your money they are spending so go on about your own business.

I like Scent lok, and I wont hesitate to purchase from the company again.