What to do in this situation (real, just happened)?
09-19-2009, 08:22 PM
#21
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: SE Ohio
Posts: 2,531
It's GOD's Land in my eyes, and I believe he sees it "proper" for me to put forth my BEST EFFORT to recover that animal, regardless of where someone has drawn a line on this earth.
Good luck in court....with that.
That animal that has lost it's life, deserves my best effort far more than some misundertanding, selfish, or ignorant land owner does my "respect" for their "perceived" rights.
Landowners in the US don't have "perceived" rights. They have ACTUAL rights. You have whatever the law says you do......and nothing more.
When we **** on the rights of the US landowner to protect it.....we've spit on our forefathers.
So....can you also walk through my yard....and into my home....and help yourself to my fridge....if you're hungry or thirsty (if my land is posted....or I've told you to keep out)? Tell me where that strays from what you're talking about.
Good luck in court....with that.
That animal that has lost it's life, deserves my best effort far more than some misundertanding, selfish, or ignorant land owner does my "respect" for their "perceived" rights.
Landowners in the US don't have "perceived" rights. They have ACTUAL rights. You have whatever the law says you do......and nothing more.
When we **** on the rights of the US landowner to protect it.....we've spit on our forefathers.
So....can you also walk through my yard....and into my home....and help yourself to my fridge....if you're hungry or thirsty (if my land is posted....or I've told you to keep out)? Tell me where that strays from what you're talking about.
You keep respecting people more than the animals, that's fine with me, but I believe a TRUE SPORTSMAN puts forth his BEST EFFORT to recover an animal, and if that means I "violate (I laugh as I type that because of how ridiculous it sounds)" someone's "property owner rights" by retrieving that animal, then so be it.
Make your irrational arguments all you want. There's a huge difference between me coming in your house and drinking your beer and eating your food, than me going 75yds onto your property to retrieve an animal I killed. I think our forefathers would likely agree with me more than you on this one, but you may be right, after all, they WERE politicians of that time as well.
That being said, if someone kills and animal and it runs onto my property, I'll gladly allow them to pursue that animal to recover it. I've even offered up my ATV to a couple of young kids tracked a deer on my place, so don't think it's not a 2-way road, because it is.
09-19-2009, 08:37 PM
#22
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 183
Let us know how this ends up! I know she may not like it but if she is against hunting and all about animal rights I don't see how wasting a beautiful animals meat will help anything, it's already dead at this point so either it gets eaten and appreciated, or wasted and rots. But I know some people just don't understand that.
09-19-2009, 08:40 PM
#23
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: central Illinois
Posts: 1,872
Jeff,
You keep respecting people more than the animals, that's fine with me, but I believe a TRUE SPORTSMAN puts forth his BEST EFFORT to recover an animal, and if that means I "violate (I laugh as I type that because of how ridiculous it sounds)" someone's "property owner rights" by retrieving that animal, then so be it.
Make your irrational arguments all you want. There's a huge difference between me coming in your house and drinking your beer and eating your food, than me going 75yds onto your property to retrieve an animal I killed. I think our forefathers would likely agree with me more than you on this one, but you may be right, after all, they WERE politicians of that time as well.
That being said, if someone kills and animal and it runs onto my property, I'll gladly allow them to pursue that animal to recover it. I've even offered up my ATV to a couple of young kids tracked a deer on my place, so don't think it's not a 2-way road, because it is.
You keep respecting people more than the animals, that's fine with me, but I believe a TRUE SPORTSMAN puts forth his BEST EFFORT to recover an animal, and if that means I "violate (I laugh as I type that because of how ridiculous it sounds)" someone's "property owner rights" by retrieving that animal, then so be it.
Make your irrational arguments all you want. There's a huge difference between me coming in your house and drinking your beer and eating your food, than me going 75yds onto your property to retrieve an animal I killed. I think our forefathers would likely agree with me more than you on this one, but you may be right, after all, they WERE politicians of that time as well.
That being said, if someone kills and animal and it runs onto my property, I'll gladly allow them to pursue that animal to recover it. I've even offered up my ATV to a couple of young kids tracked a deer on my place, so don't think it's not a 2-way road, because it is.
YOUR "rights" to recover a deer end at the property line you've been told NOT to cross
I think the key words Jeff said were "you've been TOLD not to cross" Once you have been told-thats it you cant do it.
Unfortunetally our forefathers are not around any more.
09-19-2009, 09:32 PM
#25
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: West Chicago,ILLinois
Posts: 757
I think you're granting someone more "respect" than I'll ever believe they deserve. It's GOD's Land in my eyes, and I believe he sees it "proper" for me to put forth my BEST EFFORT to recover that animal, regardless of where someone has drawn a line on this earth. That animal that has lost it's life, deserves my best effort far more than some misundertanding, selfish, or ignorant land owner does my "respect" for their "perceived" rights.
MAN's LAW says it's okay to MURDER a BABY in it's mother's womb for any irrational reason she may think up as an excuse as well, but I'll never agree with that one either!!!!
MAN's LAW says it's okay to MURDER a BABY in it's mother's womb for any irrational reason she may think up as an excuse as well, but I'll never agree with that one either!!!!
If you're going to bring God into this you might want to read Romans 13:1-7. In a nut shell it basically says that , "It is the duty of every Christian to obey the laws of the land as long as they do not conflict with the law of God." I don't know of any scriptures that support going after an animal just because you shot it.
Murdering a baby goes against scripture and just because the government says its OK doesn't mean I have to do it.
09-19-2009, 10:13 PM
#26
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: SE Ohio
Posts: 2,531
If you're going to bring God into this you might want to read Romans 13:1-7. In a nut shell it basically says that , "It is the duty of every Christian to obey the laws of the land as long as they do not conflict with the law of God." I don't know of any scriptures that support going after an animal just because you shot it.
Murdering a baby goes against scripture and just because the government says its OK doesn't mean I have to do it.
Murdering a baby goes against scripture and just because the government says its OK doesn't mean I have to do it.
"Arise, Kill and Eat..." I missed the part where it said don't recover your game, let it ROT, because an irrational person doesn't want you "trespassing" on their land to recover your animal. Again, I believe GOD would rather I "trespass" and recover the animal, rather than leave it to rot because of someone's "PERCEIVED RIGHT (as I believe it, because I don't believe he intended for any of us to "RULE" anything infinitely and completely here on Earth.)." And again, I'd EXPECT someone to "trespass" onto my property to retrieve their game as well, as it shows respect to that animal they've taken the life of.
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09-19-2009, 10:31 PM
#27
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 782
Can't believe i'm actually saying this, but i'm with GMATT on this one. I would not let this animal go to waste or become coyote food. I would get me a dim little light and crawl around on my hands and knees to recover that deer. I highly doubt that you would be arrested for walking across a persons property with a perfectly good explanation of why. It's def time to let your inner ninja shine.
09-19-2009, 10:32 PM
#28
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: mid south
Posts: 23
Nothing goes to waste in the woods. But just alittle time in the hunt.If she said no is it worth your values. you have some there or you would not have ask her to start with. If you **** her off now will she still have her values to call the fireDepartment when your house is burning. ( Fact: I know a mad neighbor won't call untill she afraid your propane tank might explode and damage her house)
09-20-2009, 12:24 AM
#29
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 1997
Location: Cheasapeke and Delaware Bay Region
Posts: 10,485
I think the key words Jeff said were "you've been TOLD not to cross" Once you have been told-thats it you cant do it.
Now, just how close are you to the property line? 2 deer already have fallen on the adjacent land? I might want to move a little further inland if it were me and try to prevent this happening repeatedly You might wear out the husband's welcome as well if this keeps happening.
09-20-2009, 03:02 AM
#30
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Posts: 21,043
Rick....2 different scenarios. The part you cited was in the hypothetical.
OHBow...
Jeff,
You keep respecting people more than the animals, that's fine with me, but I believe a TRUE SPORTSMAN puts forth his BEST EFFORT to recover an animal, and if that means I "violate (I laugh as I type that because of how ridiculous it sounds)" someone's "property owner rights" by retrieving that animal, then so be it.
You're laughing at something that our country was founded on. What you're saying is......as a landowner in the US...I have NO RIGHTS to keep you off my land. How much land do you own? That might make this discussion take on a more realistic tone. Let's discuss YOUR land (if you own any).
Make your irrational arguments all you want. There's a huge difference between me coming in your house and drinking your beer and eating your food, than me going 75yds onto your property to retrieve an animal I killed.
Actually.....there is NO difference. What makes this seem "irrational" (to you).....is it makes what you're advocating sound just as ludicrous.
That being said, if someone kills and animal and it runs onto my property, I'll gladly allow them to pursue that animal to recover it. I've even offered up my ATV to a couple of young kids tracked a deer on my place, so don't think it's not a 2-way road, because it is.
Can they camp there....at will? Can they walk their dogs through there....at will? Can they small game hunt? Big game hunt? Can they come over there and take a dump in your yard? Why did you buy land? Why not just live and hunt on someone else's?
OHBow...
Jeff,
You keep respecting people more than the animals, that's fine with me, but I believe a TRUE SPORTSMAN puts forth his BEST EFFORT to recover an animal, and if that means I "violate (I laugh as I type that because of how ridiculous it sounds)" someone's "property owner rights" by retrieving that animal, then so be it.
You're laughing at something that our country was founded on. What you're saying is......as a landowner in the US...I have NO RIGHTS to keep you off my land. How much land do you own? That might make this discussion take on a more realistic tone. Let's discuss YOUR land (if you own any).
Make your irrational arguments all you want. There's a huge difference between me coming in your house and drinking your beer and eating your food, than me going 75yds onto your property to retrieve an animal I killed.
Actually.....there is NO difference. What makes this seem "irrational" (to you).....is it makes what you're advocating sound just as ludicrous.
That being said, if someone kills and animal and it runs onto my property, I'll gladly allow them to pursue that animal to recover it. I've even offered up my ATV to a couple of young kids tracked a deer on my place, so don't think it's not a 2-way road, because it is.
Can they camp there....at will? Can they walk their dogs through there....at will? Can they small game hunt? Big game hunt? Can they come over there and take a dump in your yard? Why did you buy land? Why not just live and hunt on someone else's?