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Old 03-21-2009, 08:16 AM
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"Unless its a monster and I think its the last chance, there is NO WAY I would take a quartering to shot. To not hit the shoulder, and get a good vital shot, the margin of error is soooo small its ridiculous. I thinksome of it is over confidence in large diameter cutting broadheads\


This really gets me going !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If there is EVER a deer to let walk "it is a monster" !

Why not gut shoot him or shoot him up the butt ?

Why not sling an arrow at him from a hundred yards away.

You are sitting there and this monster is walking by and you think you HAVE to do something.

You do- YOU HAVE TO THINK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have to wait for a good shot opportunity - OR

You have to let him walk - Sorry, that is just the way it is.

The quartering to shot is and ALWAYS will be a poor shot choice.

I suggest YOU quit watching so much TV.

We hunt with a bow and accept its limitations, one of which is to pass on bad shots.

What is wrong with our sport is to many archers have never learned the basics and refuse to keep those basics as sacred.

If your MONSTER buck comes in and does not offer a high percentage shot LET HIM GO !

You now know when and where he is - Come back another day and close the deal

Thats trophy hunting - If it is to tough - sell yourbow and buy a 300 Weatherby MAG
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Old 03-21-2009, 01:48 PM
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I completely agree with this. I believe this is exactly what they are thinking. "I am using a RAGE (just an example) even if I hit back 5 inches or graze the shoulder and my arrow kicks back, I will still take out the liver and hit guts, which will ultimately kill the deer." I have also taken careful note as to how often these guys look for their deer the following morning or if they shot it that morning, they go out at 10 at night because the wanted to "let it lie." To me, and this is only my opinion, they know they are taking marginal shots, it isn't a mistake but they paint it that way as to not look unethical . It just seems to be getting out of hand on most of these shows now.

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I completely agree with this, with all the "pros" shooting large diameter cutting heads they probably think that it will do the trick and they don't care where they hit the deer.
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Old 03-23-2009, 12:55 PM
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I have to say that I have always thought that while quartering to is a very bad shout that quartering away is a very good shot. You get a lot of lung and heart and a longer wound channel. The only dis advantage I can see is that if you don't get a pass through you are going to have less blood trail. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Old 03-23-2009, 03:43 PM
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I did on a 8 pt this year, and after I let my arrow fly, I regretted. Good news is he dropped within 40 yards and could see him drop. Arrow penetrated about 10". Bad news is it could have turned out real bad. I could have been crying the blues. I didn't see one drop of blood from him. Only blood was where he dropped. I got lucky. But definatley a low percentage shot.
 
Old 03-23-2009, 06:58 PM
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If I take a shot on a deer and I lose that deer I always ask myself if I would take that shot again if it presented itself on the next hunt...

I took that shot on a deer about 22 years ago and the deer fell within 40 yards and I had a good blood trail...The arrow went behind the shoulder blade and it worked for me...

It is a shot that I have since passed on many times...I now only take quartering away or broadside...

As I get older I get more conservative in shots that I'll take...
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:03 PM
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Unless its a monster and I think its the last chance, there is NO WAY I would take a quartering to shot. To not hit the shoulder, and get a good vital shot, the margin of error is soooo small its ridiculous. I thinksome of it is over confidence in large diameter cutting broadheads.

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Although I agree with most of this I have to say it doesn't matter whether it's a monster or not. My ethics remain the same.

You guys have to consider that most of these guys are not hunting for the meat or even a trophy. They are doing so to make and sell videos and get on TV. Therefore they have to shoot something. There's big money involved.
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:09 PM
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Unless its a monster and I think its the last chance, there is NO WAY I would take a quartering to shot. To not hit the shoulder, and get a good vital shot, the margin of error is soooo small its ridiculous. I thinksome of it is over confidence in large diameter cutting broadheads.
To me this would be the exact reason not to risk the shot on a animal especially a rare trophy. Why in the heck would I want to wound it if that small margine of error becomes a reality? Just cause you see it on shows does not mean you have to be a risk taker. Wait for the shot! If you don't have it the deer lives another day. If all your worried about is a monster then wait for rifle season. This is why we bowhunt. Right? MAny times I would believe the camera angle is different from the hunters actual view.
Very well said Ron. Size will never matter to me and I love Inches!!

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They are taking the shots but they are also getting the deer. I think it's hare to argue with that.
Trust me, they don't show everything (the ones they don't get because of poor decisions).
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Old 03-23-2009, 09:00 PM
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"Unless its a monster and I think its the last chance, there is NO WAY I would take a quartering to shot. To not hit the shoulder, and get a good vital shot, the margin of error is soooo small its ridiculous. I thinksome of it is over confidence in large diameter cutting broadheads\


This really gets me going !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If there is EVER a deer to let walk "it is a monster" !

Why not gut shoot him or shoot him up the butt ?

Why not sling an arrow at him from a hundred yards away.

You are sitting there and this monster is walking by and you think you HAVE to do something.

You do- YOU HAVE TO THINK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have to wait for a good shot opportunity - OR

You have to let him walk - Sorry, that is just the way it is.

The quartering to shot is and ALWAYS will be a poor shot choice.

I suggest YOU quit watching so much TV.

We hunt with a bow and accept its limitations, one of which is to pass on bad shots.

What is wrong with our sport is to many archers have never learned the basics and refuse to keep those basics as sacred.

If your MONSTER buck comes in and does not offer a high percentage shot LET HIM GO !

You now know when and where he is - Come back another day and close the deal

Thats trophy hunting - If it is to tough - sell yourbow and buy a 300 Weatherby MAG
ALthough I believe that ethics are personal, and usually wouldnt care to argue a comment on my personal beliefs b/c you arent going to change them, I have to reply to this one b/c you OBVIOUSLY personally know me, and have spent much time with me in the woods. Almost like you are MY personal camera man, or maybe your my concious??? Something like that b/c you think you know me

08 was the first season since 04 that I have killed a buck... I didnt just not hunt 0506 and 07... trust me i was there in my tree, with my bow. I think if I really thought it was "to tough" and i just wasntseeing deer (or within the 100yd range since you know i will shoot at a deer that far)I would have already hung her up for good I bet ive let more bucks walk in the last 3 years than the average hunter sees so I dont needsome internet heroto tell me how to "LETHIM GO !" In the 05 season, I hunted oncealmost every single dayfrom septermber thru december for "my monster". I had at least 10 40yd or in chances at him but didnt take them b/c I did not want to wound the buck of a life time. i took a shot at him in mid december and hit my stand with my bottom limb. Complete miss. I was a little disappointed yes, but thankful that he ran away in perfect health. He was killed by a gun hunter the next year. When i heard about it, i was happy for the hunter who killed him. He wasnt "my monster", he was anyones.

I guess all of this was pointless to type since you knew it all already

Btw, to the rest who wouldnt take the shot... This past season I shot a doe (while tracking the buck I shot/killed) and accidentally hit her about 3" into the shoulder (good height, just to far over) and she dropped 40yds later. The other shoulder stopped the arrow from passing thru. Wouldnt have done it on purpose on a broadside doe, but it was a successful shot and she dropped quicker than the buck did. If i were to take a quartering to shot on a buck, I would put it right in the front of the shoulder (wherever was optimal depending on the angle of course), and I would only do it with a fixed blade. I think many of you are seriously full of it if you say you wouldnt shoot one... I dont think most have the patience to stare at a point blank buck and say "hes not broadside, ill let him pass". Its bow hunting. It is high risk sometimes even if you dont take extreme shots. I dont take extreme shots and i still shot one in the shoulder. It happens.that is why we do it right???
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Old 03-23-2009, 09:55 PM
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I think many of you are seriously full of it if you say you wouldn't shoot one... I don't think most have the patience to stare at a point blank buck and say "hes not broadside, ill let him pass".
Maybe some are Derek, but I'm not one of them that's full of It. Trust me, no one knows patience better then a person hunting with a traditional bow. 8 years or so ago I let a 150" to 160" 10 point walk at 25 to 30 yards broadside, to far for my recurve. Patience let that buck live another day without me possibly wounding him. I'd do the same thing again. He was just out of range barely, Iffy shot at best. If It's not a high percentage shot, I'm not taking It. I've wounded one animal In 23 years of bowhunting, high percentage shots are the reason that number Is low.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:49 PM
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I think many of you are seriously full of it if you say you wouldn't shoot one... I don't think most have the patience to stare at a point blank buck and say "hes not broadside, ill let him pass".
Maybe some are Derek, but I'm not one of them that's full of It. Trust me, no one knows patience better then a person hunting with a traditional bow. 8 years or so ago I let a 150" to 160" 10 point walk at 25 to 30 yards broadside, to far for my recurve. Patience let that buck live another day without me possibly wounding him. I'd do the same thing again. He was just out of range barely, Iffy shot at best. If It's not a high percentage shot, I'm not taking It. I've wounded one animal In 23 years of bowhunting, high percentage shots are the reason that number Is low.
Like I said, i would do the same, and have soo many times. My post may have sounded like i am one to only take a marginal shot b/c of the rack of the deer, but i didnt mean for itto sound that way. The personal attack got me a little firedup tho, b/c my goal isto be clean and precise. Iconsider myself to be above average with a compound bow, but still 33 yards is the longest shot i have ever taken on deer and that was this year on the buck i killed. Not a confidence issue at all either as ive drawn down on many at 40 and 50 yards with sure confidence that i could put the arrow in the spot w/out a doubt, but i have never taken them. I believe there is alot that can happen between the release of the arrow and the deer, and that is why i dont take these shots. I can say though, if I had a 150" deer, or even the deer i shot this year come up to me within 20yds at a slightly quartering to angle, and I thought w/out a doubt the deer would be dead, I WOULD take it. I have confidence when i let an arrow go, and won't shoot unless Im almost positive. But then again just b/c you feel like that, you never know when that twig will be in the way, or that deer will jump the string etc...

I commend you for your record shulty and its one that i would imagine 90+% of dedicated bowhunters would love to have. Its a horrible feeling losing a deer...

On another subject- Someone said something about why the tv hunters seem to always wait until night to goget their deer? I kind of feel the same wayabout that. Its like they know/dont have confidence that their deer went down quick. I feel liike alot of times by doing that they waist the meat which is horrible as well. Maybe its for another reason or whatever, but it does seemlike they are allways worried.I shot 3 arrows this year, and killed 3 deer. 2 of them dropped within sight. The other, ihit a little far back and had totrack it about 180yds. I actually thought i missed the one completely and until i got down to get my arrow, i had no clue that i hit the deer. I went on tracking him b/c i had very good blood.

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