Why is acorn rage legal in my state?
 

Baiting is illegal in my state but many hunting store i go to sell acorn rage and even the liquid cmere deer atrracant spray, and told me its perfectly legal in NY because its an attracatant and made from real acorns Even gander MT sells them...
Is this true?

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That's a good question, I'd ask the DEC if I were you. Using the salesman logic corn is made out of real corn, but you can't put a pile of it up and hunt over it.

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Corn( Zea maize) is a natural food source, It is a crop that is native to United States. So i dont think that something just being natural makes is legal. But i dont know, baiting is illegal in wv but bags of deer corn and C'mere deer are sold everywhere.

RE: Why is acorn rage legal in my state?
 

Just because they sell it in your state dosent me you cant use it in other states. Buy it there transport it to other states.

Ex. Buck shot is sold in Wisconsin, but can't use it for deer.

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I don't think it is legal in NY. I know they sell Cmere Deer at Walmart, but it also is clearly marked with a sign saying it is illegal to use in NY. (Why do they sell it then? Beats me.) I haven't checked at Bass Pro to see if they mark it similarly.

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The guy at the store told me that they are legal because they are "attractants" so its no different than using deer urine or any deer scents because there all legal as well.

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I have seen stuff like that in the store by meand have looked it up. The website that i found told me that it is legal to sell it but it is illegal to use it. I thought i was miss informed about it but i then asked my professor at college that use to be a DEC offiser and he said what i read was right. Most likly the person at the store was just trying to sell you the product.Hope this helps.

RE: Why is acorn rage legal in my state?
 

Try explaining that it's "Just an attractant" to the GW while he's writing you a ticket.;)

RE: Why is acorn rage legal in my state?
 

Because people buy it! ;)

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The guy at the store is wrong. Deer EAT acorn rage. C'mon Soap, does that really make sense?

RE: Why is acorn rage legal in my state?
 

That guy, ain't the one paying your fines or serving your license suspension.

That guy, is an idiot.[8D]

Call your game commission. Get clarity on what you are asking.

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What if a deer started eating some special golden estrus on a wick hanging off a branch... i dont know i just find there reasons for banning hunting in this state very stupid.

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Acorn rage is illegal and if a deer eats some scentsoaked wick off a tree, thats good for the deer.

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it was just a joke

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Think about it...it's simple...

They sell it because they can.

They sell it because people still put it out.

They sell it because they make money off of it.

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Dude baiting is not illegal in West Virginia! You can hunt over corn, acorn rage, apples, salt licks, heck even peanut butter if you want to. How long have you hunted in WV thinking its illegal to bait?

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Since when is Baiting illegal in WV???

RE: Why is acorn rage legal in my state?
 

There is no law saying you cannot sell it.

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I'm not sure on this, but even if it is illegal to hunt over it can't you still use it and put it out to get the deer to come over to your hunting area as long as it is not there when your hunting it?Or is there a law against using them altogether?

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Hunting over bait is illegal here, in Indiana. BUT All the farm stores sell Acorn Rage, C'mere Deer, Trophy Rockand other "attractants". You can put it out, but it has to be removed 10 days before the season opens.

RE: Why is acorn rage legal in my state?
 

No - its use is illegal in NY - I think I am the 5th or 6th to point this out.

Steve

RE: Why is acorn rage legal in my state?
 

Seems like there is a logical distinctionto be drawn between an attractant and food or bait.

Cmere Deer, even though probably a waste of money, is more like an attractant or scent.
It flavors the plants or something like that, and is more like a curiosity scent. Trophy rock and minerals
are somewhat similar.They can be beneficial to the deer, but are not quite the same as "baiting." (Most established mineral licks are hit at night anyway).

Acorn Rage is actually food and to me would clearly fall under baiting. BTW, putting out one Acorn Rage ain't gonna get much done if you are trying to "bait."

You should read your regs. They are supposed to be clear enough that the "average" person can tell
what the hell is legal from illegal, sometimes they even list examples and such.

RE: Why is acorn rage legal in my state?
 

I gotta disagree Lebeau. Cmere deer, trophy rock, minerals, are all things that deer EAT.They'renot just an attractact like a scent or lure, they are baiting. Any state reg that I know of considers all of them baiting.
I know in Illinois, anyone of them can put you in a nice set of handcuffs :)

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I'm from NY, and i'm going to agree with everyone else that has said this. Acorn Rage IS illegal in new york. The explanation from the DEC website (new york game commission) is "You may use cover scents and lures, such as doe urine, for deer hunting. However, it is illegal to place a salt block or mineral lick on lands inhabited by deer at any time of year. It is also illegal to feed deer. Some attractants that are marketed for deer are liquids or dissolving powders which deer may not directly consume, but the attractants may entice deer to feed on the material which absorbed the attractant. These types of produces would not be legal."

So, the law says any sexual or scent based attractant is ok, any attractant you PLACE that is used to feed or make the deer want to feed is not. There is, however, a loop hole in the law that says there is nothing wrong with hunting over food plots. The law is that the food must be there naturally. So, planting corn, alfalfa, hunting by an acorn tree are all ok and very legal. Going into the woods with a bag of apples and laying them in front of your stand is not.

The law was actually meant to prevent the spread of CWD in NYS, so they say. Seeing as how they don't know what causes CWD to transfer from animal to animal, they want to keep the amount of animals in one spot to a minimum.

My advice is if you want to pull deer into you by means of food, plant some apple trees, get some alfalfa or food plants and plant them. Nothing wrong with that and your also helping out the animals near buy by providing some available food year round.

Hope that helps explaining things a bit.

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It's legal to possess some things, though their actual use may be illegal.
Example given:
It's legal to buy and possess seeds from the opium poppy in the US, many seed catalogs carry them, and every poppyseed roll or bagel you've ever eaten was covered with them. Food for thought if they drug test where you work. But actually planting, or even just sprouting those same seeds will get you many moons in the butt hut.

In Indiana where I live both baiting and electronic deer and turkey calls are illegal for use while hunting, but you can legally buy them.

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Each state has different rules-some you are ALLOWED to put out & hunt over, some you can put out bait but cannot hunt that area for a certain# of days AFTER REMOVAL& others your not SUPPOSED to EVER use any bait. A growing corn field, Beans,ect. &even FOOD PLOTs people put out are legal.
All theDeer Attractants-baits are sold in almost every stateI have been inBUT not always legal to use. My home states of Ill. & Iowa have tons in every Wally, sport shop there is but NOT LEGAL to hunt over.
CHECK with your DNR if you value your hunting privilages is my suggestion.