Pope and Young disqualification??
 

My brother in law and I have been talking lately about rules in the hunting world. We were discussing Pope and Young scoring DQ's or as they would like to refer to them as "*". Two really jumped out at me and I was some what shocked!!

1. If you shoot a compound bow the let off can not be greater than 60 percent, what gives? What is the deal with 60 percent when the majority of compound bow people have a let off of 80 percent. As it stands right now I think this is BS if it is true.
2. You can not use tracer nochs? This one I would of never thought about because I would not think of it is unethical. My brother in law was saying it "could" add in the recovery of the animal. So if the arrow does not pass threw and you watch the deer, in low light conditions, wonder off this would break the fair chase rule if found?

So are these two issues true? I think the tracer noch one is rediculous.....would you disclose the fact you used tracer nochs if you took a Pope and Young buck? Would you "stretch" the truth about your letoff?

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You are allowed up to 80% let off to qualify for P&Y entry.

You are not allowed to use any battery powered device on your bow or arrow to qualify for P&Y.

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66%-80%let-off gets the '*'.

No electronic device on the bow or arrow is allowed.

If I really wanted to put a buck in their book, I'd play by their rules.

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Thier book, thier club, thier rules.

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My record book isnt quiteas strict as P&Y's, in fact every buck I have ever taken has made my record book:D. You can join if you want.

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You have a point there......perhaps we should come up with a Huntingnet.com scoring system? I have some ideas if you would like me to share?

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thats right... u said it . every buck i kill goes in my record book.. i wanna join the club tho haha :D

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Excuse me .....hello - if i shoot a p&Y buck while it would be great to make (the cut) , if they dont like my 80% l/o and lumenok. i dont CARE - i just shot a freakin P&Y caliber deer !

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thats right.. same here. im gonna be tickled pink an i have been fortuante to take a py buck an was extremly happy.. hek im happy with my does

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I've killed a couple P&Y bucks. One of them qualified all the way around. I was useing a 50% let-off bow. I haven't entered any of them into the record books. For one You have to pay like $25 to get in there book. Which I thought was retarded. I don't need to pay noone $25 to know My buck scores over 125".

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I like the club. I have paid the fee enough times that I could have bought a few dozen new arrows and broadheads.

My bow is 65% let off and I have nothing that is electronic on the bow or my arrows. I shoot this equipment because I like the way it feels not because of the P&Y rules and requirements.

I enter the deer because I like records. I like looking through the records to see things like where the big ones are coming from or where the next hot spot is likely to be. Maybe I'll move there, buy a piece of land or possibly seek permission.

I think it's a great organization and don't mind supporting it.

The entry fee is nothing more than a weak night at the tavern. It doesn't hurt me any to miss out on one or two of those per year! [:-]

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X2.

A bowhunter should shoot what they want within the limits of the law in the state they are hunting in. But state law doesn't take precedence over P&Y club rules and getting a buck in the book. I also like the club though I have never entered a buck in the book. Think about this........almost every bowhunter recognizes a 125" buck as "the standard". Personnaly I like that as a measuring stick. That doesn't mean a buck taken below 125" is a lessor buck and that a bowhunter shouldn't be proud. Its simply a minimum to enter a buck into the book. Just think, many many years ago P&Y was sort of advocating letting the little bucks grow before anyone ever thought of that concept!

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I liked 65% letoff when I shot it;), but I much prefer 80% today. I personally would Not go back.

You wanna remember the guys that made it illegal to shoot a lighted sight pin are the same guys that can shoot a shadow instinctively in the dark[8D]

That's where the electronic * came in:D

Dan

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Donating a little $ to an organizationwhich supports your bowhunting rights is retarded huh???

The measurervolunteered their time to scoreyour buck for FREE and then gave you the option of putting it in the record book for a $25 fee.

I have entered bucks to P&Y and have never thought of the $25 being a big deal and have never understood why others make such a fuss over it.:eek:Nothing is free in this world...get over it.

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I starting to think that it's wrong to even measure antlers.;)

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Ok then. I might as well hunt all night then, nobody would know!;)

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Right on Cooter!! Well said!!

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Heck, a lot of our mature deer wont make 125. I suppose it's possible, depending on when he starts going down hill.....my 4.5y/o didnt go but 110 and some change......gross.....and thats often the case around here with 4.5y/os....Id imagine theyd put on enough to gross 125 at 5.5 and possibly 6.5, but thats a rarity around here.

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They wanted to charge Me to score the deer. I wasn't about to pay someone to score it when My Dad, or Ican do it for free. Nothing against P&Y. I think They are a good organization, but I just don't see the point. I like killing big bucks, but I'd prolly never go pay to get one scored. Thats not what I'm hunting for.

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Steve, You know exactly what I'm talking about, and you know it's true.

Fair play and ethical hunting comes from the Hunter, not from a rule that tells someone they can't have a lighted pin.;)

Dan

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An official scorer for P&Y is forbidden to accept money for their service. If someone attempted to charge you, they were not affiliated with the Pope & Young club.

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I've never paid a cent to get one scored. If someone tries to charge for scoring, they should be reported to the P&Y club.

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The only time I believe you have to pay Is If you want It entered.

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I know where your coming from Dan.

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I've never put a tape measure on a deer except for the scales. I guess I won't get one in the book will I? LOL As some have said, they all go in my book the minute I shoot them. I don't even have to wait for a drying period.[8D]

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davidmil......staying true to form and that is why I like you! You dont beat around the bush and tell it like it is. No one has asked me about what I think about getting in Pope and Young or Boone and Crocket for that matter.

Well since you have asked here goes......

I do like to know what a buck scores because any logical hunter can get an idea of what type of animal they harvested......purely for referrence. I find it odd to pay to have something in the "records" book. If my brother in law would not of taken the intiative to enter my buck, and pay for it;), I would of never entered my buck. It was his gift for me this Christmas season and I thought it was a great gift. Would I do it........with about 95 percent confirmation I dont think I would go through the hassle because I dont have the drive to jump thru hoops.

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It was my pleasure!............Just remember who you are going to bring with you as your guest, when you getyour invite to the Annual P&Y awards banquet!

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What buck. I missed the thread or pictures and all that. Post him up for me.

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Just for you......

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What did he officially come in at?

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That's a beautiful buck you killed! You should be quite proud.;)

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Maybe I misunderstood the guy. He said something about a 25$ fee. I thought He meant to score the deer. He might have meant to have it entered. So it could have been My mistake.

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You are correct here... It is a $25 recording fee if you choose to enterit.

I do a bit of hunting down in Coshocton. In the Wills Creek area.

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Actually P&Y bumped up the price this year. It's now $35.00 to have a deer entered. Also,P&Y is offering a special that will get you a 1 year associate membership for an additional $15.00.

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Enlighten me on this hassle you speak of. Never has It been a hassle for me. It's actually quite fun and Interesting to talk with an official P&Y scorer. Them folks hear more story's and see more nice bucks because there doing the measuring. Some day I'd love to be a measurer just for that reason.

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Schultzy......lets just say it includes actually picking up a pen, completing the form, chucking a stamp on the envelop, making out a check, driving the the post office, and the getting it scored stuff. I AM A REAL GO GETTER..........

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Lol!! Alrighty then!;)