baiting
12-08-2008, 04:32 PM
#141
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Minnesota
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RE: baiting
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
I'm living proof that baiting isn't the easiest way to kill deer. I tried it....and the true confessionis.....if I thought I could be more successful baiting....I'd bait.
I'm living proof that baiting isn't the easiest way to kill deer. I tried it....and the true confessionis.....if I thought I could be more successful baiting....I'd bait.
I have said many times, if I didn't have to bait bear I wouldn't. I feel that it would be easier to spot and stalk a bear rather than bait him, and everything that goes with it.
12-08-2008, 05:09 PM
#142
Site Bouncer
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Location: Illinois
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RE: baiting
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
No distinguishing between deer. This encompassed ALL deer.
Like I said.....you can believe anything you want.....and people are gonna believe what they wanna believe. I'm just giving you the facts. Do with them what you will.
I'm living proof that baiting isn't the easiest way to kill deer. I tried it....and the true confessionis.....if I thought I could be more successful baiting....I'd bait.
I know better.
Jeff,
Was this for killing mature bucks or any deer at all?
Was this for killing mature bucks or any deer at all?
Like I said.....you can believe anything you want.....and people are gonna believe what they wanna believe. I'm just giving you the facts. Do with them what you will.
I'm living proof that baiting isn't the easiest way to kill deer. I tried it....and the true confessionis.....if I thought I could be more successful baiting....I'd bait.
I know better.
Why the hell do people bait deer if it lessens their chance of killing one? I'm stumped....
12-08-2008, 05:17 PM
#143
Dominant Buck
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RE: baiting
I'll try to find the thread where I cited the study. I posted on it a few months ago.
Study was conducted in SC.....and the criteria (I believe) was hunter success on baited tracts v. non-baited tracts.
Study showed a hunter was more likely to be successful (harvesting deer) when they did NOT employ baiting.
Around here, John.....you have people worried about the guy next door and what he's doing. They feel like he's baiting....so they have to "out-bait" him. Then his neighbor has to out-bait HIM.
Just think about it....With the exception Brknarrow (Frank).....I'm the ONLY.....SINGULAR.....UNO.....other person I know in this STATE who doesn't bait deer. I'm not that good......but wouldn't my results lend you to think maybe baiting ISN'T the way to go????
Confession:
I've baited areas before. I did it this year. I've baited areas for my son to hunt....and for friends to hunt.....but the truth of the matter is......NONE of them have ever killed a deer over bait, either! I bought into the hype, too, it seems.....because it's never worked out in a positive manner for me, here.
Study was conducted in SC.....and the criteria (I believe) was hunter success on baited tracts v. non-baited tracts.
Study showed a hunter was more likely to be successful (harvesting deer) when they did NOT employ baiting.
Around here, John.....you have people worried about the guy next door and what he's doing. They feel like he's baiting....so they have to "out-bait" him. Then his neighbor has to out-bait HIM.
Just think about it....With the exception Brknarrow (Frank).....I'm the ONLY.....SINGULAR.....UNO.....other person I know in this STATE who doesn't bait deer. I'm not that good......but wouldn't my results lend you to think maybe baiting ISN'T the way to go????
Confession:
I've baited areas before. I did it this year. I've baited areas for my son to hunt....and for friends to hunt.....but the truth of the matter is......NONE of them have ever killed a deer over bait, either! I bought into the hype, too, it seems.....because it's never worked out in a positive manner for me, here.
12-08-2008, 05:30 PM
#144
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RE: baiting
If I was trying to go out and kill any oledeer, I believe 100% a cornpile 20 yards from my stand increases my odds, regardless of any study by any scientists. I used to do it, and umm...well, it works. It brings in deer. I haven't baited for 3-4 years now, and have success without it. But that's not to say a cornpile doesn't help. I can't believe people actually believe it actually hurts your chances?
Jeff, you target more specific deer, and older ones at that. I wouldn't consider you as someone who would benefit from baiting. But do you honestly feel if you were going to shoot the first deer, doe spike 14 pt doesnt matter, that came in...that it would be easier without a cornpile than with one?
New hunter first week in the woods. Does he benefit more by throwing out 50 lbs of corn in front of a stand, coming back that weekend and hunting, or setting up somewhere he feels deer will be moving through?
Just a difference of opinion I guess.
Jeff, you target more specific deer, and older ones at that. I wouldn't consider you as someone who would benefit from baiting. But do you honestly feel if you were going to shoot the first deer, doe spike 14 pt doesnt matter, that came in...that it would be easier without a cornpile than with one?
New hunter first week in the woods. Does he benefit more by throwing out 50 lbs of corn in front of a stand, coming back that weekend and hunting, or setting up somewhere he feels deer will be moving through?
Just a difference of opinion I guess.
12-08-2008, 05:35 PM
#145
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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RE: baiting
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
If I was trying to go out and kill any oledeer, I believe 100% a cornpile 20 yards from my stand increases my odds, regardless of any study by any scientists. I used to do it, and umm...well, it works. It brings in deer. I haven't baited for 3-4 years now, and have success without it. But that's not to say a cornpile doesn't help. I can't believe people actually believe it actually hurts your chances?
Jeff, you target more specific deer, and older ones at that. I wouldn't consider you as someone who would benefit from baiting. But do you honestly feel if you were going to shoot the first deer, doe spike 14 pt doesnt matter, that came in...that it would be easier without a cornpile than with one?
If I was trying to go out and kill any oledeer, I believe 100% a cornpile 20 yards from my stand increases my odds, regardless of any study by any scientists. I used to do it, and umm...well, it works. It brings in deer. I haven't baited for 3-4 years now, and have success without it. But that's not to say a cornpile doesn't help. I can't believe people actually believe it actually hurts your chances?
Jeff, you target more specific deer, and older ones at that. I wouldn't consider you as someone who would benefit from baiting. But do you honestly feel if you were going to shoot the first deer, doe spike 14 pt doesnt matter, that came in...that it would be easier without a cornpile than with one?
12-08-2008, 05:38 PM
#146
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RE: baiting
ORIGINAL: wahoohunter
it absolutely hurts your chances
it absolutely hurts your chances
12-08-2008, 05:41 PM
#147
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Minnesota
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RE: baiting
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
If I was trying to go out and kill any oledeer, I believe 100% a cornpile 20 yards from my stand increases my odds, regardless of any study by any scientists. I used to do it, and umm...well, it works. It brings in deer. I haven't baited for 3-4 years now, and have success without it. But that's not to say a cornpile doesn't help. I can't believe people actually believe it actually hurts your chances?
If I was trying to go out and kill any oledeer, I believe 100% a cornpile 20 yards from my stand increases my odds, regardless of any study by any scientists. I used to do it, and umm...well, it works. It brings in deer. I haven't baited for 3-4 years now, and have success without it. But that's not to say a cornpile doesn't help. I can't believe people actually believe it actually hurts your chances?
But I can tell you that once they catch on, "any old bear" will likely become nocturnal. There are tricks to baiting the right way...if you do it the right way, it will increase your chance...just not as much as not baiting period, in my opinion.
12-08-2008, 05:41 PM
#148
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RE: baiting
Let's put it this way.....
I think baiting is an art from.....if you're going to get solid results.
Let's think about your average "baiter". I know even my shop owner does it this way.....
1. He has a stand behind his house with a gravity feeder, there. He walks the same path to the fixed stand, there.....and the same path out. Now who's patterned who?
2. Property #2......2 baited sites.....same deal. Same entry/exit paths.
3. Property #3 - one baited site. They ride the ATV to the same spot....and walk in from there.....same path.
Now I'm betting I just described over 90% of how "baiters" operate. If I'm wrong I'd be surprised. Do some people do it differently? Sure. Are they likely MORE successful? Sure. Do I think I could bait in a mature buck? Damn right I do.....especially right now. But it wouldn't be on a site I'd been baiting all season....and I wouldn't use much bait.
I've just realized I don't want to mess with it (for several reasons). I like hunting without it.....and I've been mildly successful.
I think baiting is an art from.....if you're going to get solid results.
Let's think about your average "baiter". I know even my shop owner does it this way.....
1. He has a stand behind his house with a gravity feeder, there. He walks the same path to the fixed stand, there.....and the same path out. Now who's patterned who?
2. Property #2......2 baited sites.....same deal. Same entry/exit paths.
3. Property #3 - one baited site. They ride the ATV to the same spot....and walk in from there.....same path.
Now I'm betting I just described over 90% of how "baiters" operate. If I'm wrong I'd be surprised. Do some people do it differently? Sure. Are they likely MORE successful? Sure. Do I think I could bait in a mature buck? Damn right I do.....especially right now. But it wouldn't be on a site I'd been baiting all season
....and I wouldn't use much bait.I've just realized I don't want to mess with it (for several reasons). I like hunting without it.....and I've been mildly successful.
12-08-2008, 06:06 PM
#149
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Platteville, Wisconsin
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RE: baiting
some parts of wisconsin banned baiting but do you know how may people probably still bait. the dnr cant prove that people are baiting. i hunt over an apple tree and the dnr consider that thats baiting deer because im hunting over a pile of food. theres something wrong with the wisconsin dnr
12-08-2008, 06:24 PM
#150
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Millboro, Va
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RE: baiting
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
Ok then?[&:] If you say so. Just find it comical with the number of deer killed over bait in my area, knowing these guys knowledge of deer...you're saying take away their corn pile and they have better odds?
ORIGINAL: wahoohunter
it absolutely hurts your chances
it absolutely hurts your chances