Scent Blocker/Scent Lok...
 

Not trying to ruffle any feathers here, but I, after this season, believe ALL of the "scent eliminating" products to be a joke. They don't work!!! Don't waste your money!!! For one, Scent Blocker/Scent Lok say to put clothes into dryer to "Re-Activate".... NOT POSSIBLE that any dryer can get hot enough to re-activate, activated carbon.
I saw one thing while at the local hunting store that made me think, WTF>>> Dead Down Wind had scent eliminating chapstick! That was when I went back to basics and looked back at everything I have learned in the past and started hunting the wind, instead of "HUNTING 360". Needless to say my season went much better after that.
I ended up getting this buck and was proud as hell to get him after all of my troubles this year. (Corn was up WAY too late). I passed up on many animals that were bigger than him but am overall VERY happy with the the way this one hunt turned out!!!
Back to thesubject of the thread... I had soooo much frusteration by buying the"scent eliminating" gear this year, then getting busted/not seeing much, that I went back to what I learned just beginning bowhunting. HUNT THE WIND.That is the most important aspect to archery hunting. If you want to get close, they need to be upwinfof you.
I was all into the shoot nothing less than 130-140in class min buck too, but then realized alot of the deer I was getting on trailcam were not going to fit into my schedule of being able to hunt, so I am very happy with what I got. Congrats to all of HNI's members this season on their harvest!!




Below is the Buck I was after this year.



Beloware a couple more I would have been pumped to tag...

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Agreed. Scent elimination products are a joke. I am surprised after all the evidence supporting the fact that they can't be reactivated that these companies are still able to sell this junk at their outrageous prices. However I will admit that it cannot hurt anything, but I work to hard for my money to pour it into such a silly false confidents when its so much easier to just pay attention to wind. My 2 cents.

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I agree that hunting the wind is the most important part of being able to see deer from stand, but I won't completely disregard scent control products.

As for the clothes, I honestly have no idea if they work or not. I own a suit, but I only wear the pants[8D]. I just like the quality of the garments more than the idea of eleminating scent.

I wash my clothes on a regular basis with the appropriate scent eleminating laundry soap and spray down liberally with scent control spray before every hunt. I believe 100% that those 2 things help out a ton with cutting down on human scent dispertion.

But yea, playing the wind is stil the most important:D

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Agreed.. They do make good gear, but they DO NOT eliminate your scent. That has been proven to me many times this season. Hunt the wind and you will be MUCH more sucessful. Also, a friend I was with hit a buck in the shoulder bone using Rage 2 Blade broadheads, and the head snapped in half! He still had the screw in part of the head in the shaft but the head snapped off... I have hit deer in past years with fixed blades (Zwickey) and shattered the shoulder. I personally am switching back to fixed blades as this shouldnt have happened with a fixed blade at 70+ lbs with a Diamond Black Ice (or any 70LB bow for that matter).

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sent lock or sent blocker isn't for everyone. it is only for people who don't stop at going 100%. covering your body sent is only one thing and it can be done. 70% of human odor comes from your mouth, they have sprays for that. another big thing is what kind of shoes you wear, i use rubber boots just because they hold my sent in. i also like to use a cover sent to spray in my hair. i also now put skunk on the bottom of my boots. i have had sent loc work in so many situations where deer were standing down wind of me and never knowing that i was there. no matter how much you hunt the wind dirrection, most times the wind dirrection will change just at dawn or dusk right when a deer will come out, that is when sent loc pays for itself. also, with some of the better land you hunt, there are so many deer in so many dirrections, it only takes one deer to ruin the entire area.

here is the latest example of me using the sentlock for what it was made for: http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3196761&mpage=1&key=&#319676 1

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All Scent Lok believers may want to read this.
http://www.trmichels.com/ActivatedCarbonScience.htm

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Couldn't agree more. Hunt the wind, no matter how careful we are in eliminating our scent, you ain't foolin' a whitetails nose! Companies are out there to make money off of us, so why help'em out when it's not even proven?
Use a good detergent with no brighteners or fragrances, scrub your nutz with baking powder and hit the woods!

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I've never bought any Scentlock (got some free socks once[8D]) so I really don't have an opinion on it. I know guys that swear by it and some that swear at it. The guys that I know that use it say its more of a confidence boost than anything else. It is nice quality gear, can't deny that. The chance that itmight work isn't worth the extra coin to me.

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I don’t know or care if the carbon suits work. I’ve had too many people really believe in them to doubt they are completely useless. But I do believe in trying to be as scent free as you can because where I hunt the wind NEVER blows from one direction for more than 3 minutes. And deer tend to come from almost any direction. Sometimes they bust you, sometimes they don’t but I’ve killed deer down wind of me when the text books said that should have never happened.

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I own zero scent-loc/blocker gear but all my clothes get washed and plastic bagged with each bag representing a hunt. It works well for me.

I guess the biggest problem I have with scent freeclothing is that people think they can wear them where ever they go from breakfast to the gas station.

I am curious as to whether they just keep human odor from getting out OR do they absorb outside odors as well? If I get the smell of bacon grease or burning tires on the outside of the garment are they still scent free. Is there an advantage to scent loc clothing if you wear them on the way to your spot or do you need to changeinto them to hunt??

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The point is.........one way or another you are going to run into a deer that busts you, you can not fool every deer! I think your mouth odor is the number 1 thing you need to stop. Spend your money but I have taken plenty of deer in my regular old hunting clothes at 15 feet.

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There's nothing wrong with minimizing your scent signature, which is about all you can realistically do, if the wind shifts and the deer winds you it's more likely to think that you're farther away than you really are and less of a threat. As far as the gimmicky clothing, I don't buy them.

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If you are going to try to eliminate scent you need to go at it with a 200% effort and still hunt the wind.

I do what I do not because I hunt sloppy, but because I want every advantage I can get. Anything that reduces the amount of scent you give off is an advantage, but I doubt it is possible to be scent free.

You also can't just wear Scent Blocker and fail to do a dozen other things and think it will work[8D]

I have seen my scent control regimen work enough times to know it is Not just a coincidence.

Dan

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My hunting group includes guys from both extreme ends of the scent regime spectrum. We all have the same success though.

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I can't really speak for anyone else's success with/without Scent control, but I can tell you that the last few years I've really elevated my Scent Control game my sightings and shot opportunities have skyrocketed.

This year during the 3 weeks I hunted IL I sighted over a 100 deer out of my Treestand, of which 60 to 70 were bucks. I easily passed a dozen borderline Bucks and had a few deer that ended up downwind of me without blowing my cover.

I also had the Wind switch on the day I shot my Muley taking my scent straight to him as he came along.

Maybe I've just been Lucky??;)At any rate I won't change what I'm doing because it's working for ME:D

Dan

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I believe my suspicions have been confirmed. If the deer is close enough to "maybe" smell your clothes/gear, he is definately close enough to smell you. You do not hunt in a rubber bubble. Maybe the products work, but they will NEVER get you "Scent-free". Hunt the wind no matter what. If it switches on you and you still get lucky, then look at it as just that, "luck". It will not happen every time I can assure you. You hunt the wrong wind on purpose, or by accident, no amount of scent control is gonna work every time.

LT

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So you think a Buck can tell how far away you are regardless of the strength of the scent you are allowing to escape?

Just curious!

In my area I doubt a Buck spends many days out of the year without encountering human scent. I think the strength of that scent determines how they react.

As for me I'll keep using the best scent control regimen I can, keep hunting the wind, and keep giving my Taxidermist business.

If I depended on luck onlyI doubt I would ever do much good, as I have never been lucky. It does seem the more I hunt, the more I watch my scent, the Luckier I get though:D

Dan

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I believe, to a deer, human odor is human odor which to a deer = predator. As to how strong your scent is, I think you may be able to minimize it, but you can not change what a deer believes you are.

So you are saying the strength or amount of human scent a deer encounters determines how they will react to it? How can the deer determine if the little bit, or a lot of scent spells danger? By determining how far away you are?

I never said to depend on luck only. If I did that, I would probably see less deer also.:DI do have to say though, hunting more, and smarter, hunting the wind, and being still on stand probably all play a much greater roll in our sightings/success than using scent killer. Myself personally, I am leaning more and more towards Arm and Hammer and just plain old low impact disturbance, along with stand placement to take advantage of the wind and a good old healthy dose of luck every now and then.[8D]

Heck, it works for GregH. Gospel!!

LT

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LTWe'll agree to disagree. If you want to pay No attention to scent control that's your choice.

As for me I'll continue to go at it 200%, and anyone that doesn't might as well do nothing except hunt the wind. Lots of Big Bucks are killed every year without Scent Control, but that doesn't mean I'll stop either.

I definitely think a Deer can judge how far awaya human/predator is by the strength of the scent and they will then react accordingly. Maybe I'm wrong;), butI just need a couple extra seconds at times, and with my Muley Buck I got the extra time to draw and shoot after the wind switched on me.

I'd sure like to Hunt where the wind never does that, or maybe that Buck just had a cold and couldn't smell. I guess I'll never know[8D]

I'll continue my way, you continue yours. You may be right, and I may be all wrong, but you won't change the way I go at scent control, and I have nodesire to change your ways.

Ever wanna hunt in IL let me know!

Dan

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Let me start by saying Iall always hunt the wind. I believe it is the #1 most important thing to killing mature bucks.

With that being said I think we all can agree that wearing scent lok/scent blocker certainly can't hurt.

And if it can't hurt and if itonly helps 10% to control my scent that is better than nothing. You can't soley depend on scent lok/scent blocker to fool a deer's nose but I guarantee it doesn't hurt. Hunt smart and play the wind ALWAYS.

If you don't like it, fine, but I'm willing to use every advantage I can to beat a deer's nose.

As I stated at the beginning, I always hunt the wind but in Nov, during the rut, bucks don't always go by the game plan and don't always come by where you think they will. Bydoing the little extra detailwhen it comes to scent control maybe the difference in a shot opportunity or seeing a the deer's white tail as it disappears.

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annika3,

Scent Lok will not work at all after 45 days max. A $5 camo tshirt will work just as good as any scent lok clothing after 45 days max and maybe even less. So scent lok does not help even in the slightest after this short amount of time. Even brand new on day 1 your scent lok will not help control your scent by 10%. I don't know if you were just throwing out that number. I suggest you read the website I posted for the facts. I wonder if the scent lok fans will still believe in their clothing after scent lok may lose in court and confirm their product does not work. You did read who they are going to court right? I guess when people spend that kind of money they don't want to believe in the facts and that they wasted the money on something that does not really work. Scent Lok clothing is really nice, but the scent control does not work as they claim.

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Yes, 10% was a number that I through out there but my question is..........

DOES IT HURT YOU?

It has nothing to do with trying to justify spending the money.

I understand scent control goes beyond just scent lok clothing. I shower before EVERY hunt. All my clothes are washed and stored in scent free bags stored in a shed with only my hunting clothes and supplies. I don't put on my hunting clothes until I get to my hunting location. I wear the lightest amount of clothes I need to get to my stand and then put on my outer layers. I spray everything once I get into my stand. IALWAYS wear head gear to cover sent along with mouth guard.

One of the biggest things I've noticed are my boots and the smell in them so I spray (soak) them down with scent killer spray and scent elimanating powder after every 2 hunts andput them on my boot drier. If you don't think it killsscent, smell the inside of your rubber boots after a couple long walks sweating in them and then do the protocol above and the stink is gone.

If you don't think it works, fine, but I have plenty of big bucks on the wall that tell me different. And I don't like to take any chances, if I can control those chances, and put the odds in my favor.

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Scent Lok, Scent Blocker, Scent Killer, Cover Scent, whatever you want to use, it's out there. I will keep my clothes clean and myself and gear clean. Beyond that, I think you are pissing your money away. If a bloodhound can find you after taking every scent control precaution to the max, do you really think you are fooling a whitetail's nose?

LT

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annika3,

I would say that Scent Lok hurts a hunters wallet. I hear people spending $500 on just one suit. I have plenty of big bucks and bulls on the wall also without using any of these products. I prefer to use the old camo style military clothing that is UV free. Scent Lok clothing is very good quality, but I think they raise their prices way to much for a product that does not work. I am just trying to save hunters money to be spent on other hunting products. I think the sprays and anit-bacterial products would work pretty good. Hair, feet, and breath are the main things to watch out for. We have millions if not billions of deed skin cells flaking off that lands on the ground or could be blown by the wind. There is no 100% guaruntee a person can be scent free. Scent Lok is at the bottom of the list for me with products that work. I would spend my money on other scent control products if it were me. I choose baking soda, scent free and UV free soap, and air dry. How can people claim that they would not got their deer without scent lok if it does not past 45 days? It can not be reactivated in a dryer. I get close enough to deer and elk to touch them with my hand or bow downwind of me. I don't wear scent lok. I think guess if people need that mental expensive edge to help them hunt. It just is not really working like the company says it does. Good luck in 09 and wack another monster buck.

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ttt for the member that just started a new Scent Lok thread.

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Nice bucks

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You guys are so right! I bought a couple of suites when they first came out. I had spent a few years using this stuff and tried to see if it works or not and you can NOT hunt 360!! I even bought the very first stuff that came out with a some kind of scent lock in it, it was some stuff from the army, it worked just as well. I have used this stuff and it does not work!!! I hunt with the wind and it works!!!

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I get a kick out of these people who throw on a scent-lok jacket before a hunt, get busted, and then tell everyone that it doesn't work. You need to cover yourself from head to toe in scent-lok AND hunt the wind. Even then, you won't be 100% scent-free, but the key is to minimize your scent as low as possible. Good hunting!

It looks like Scent Blocker (robinson) is different and the courts ruled it works


9. The parties stipulate that carbon can adsorb human odor. The parties
stipulate that the amount of carbon in the product and the process used to embed the
carbon to the product impacts the carbon’s effectiveness. The parties further stipulate
that Robinson’s carbon-embedded clothing contains substantially more carbon and uses a
different application process than other carbon-embedded hunting clothing products
currently on the market. Robinson has produced evidence of expert testing that
establishes that its garments containing activated carbon are effective at blocking the
transmission of odor through the garments and the amount of carbon used and the process by which the carbon is embedded in the liner of the hunting clothing makes the odor-
blocking ability of the Robinson products more effective at reducing human odor than
other hunting garments containing carbon as well as non-carbon hunting garments.

10. Robinson has provided evidence of expert testing that establishes that,
after washing and drying, its carbon fabrics continue to be effective at reducing odor
permeation.
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11. Robinson has provided expert testing that shows that after washing and
drying its carbon fabrics are “reactivated” and such clothing is restored to some extent for continued beneficial use.


full federal court ruling below:

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA


In re:

Activated Carbon-Based Hunting
Clothing Marketing and Sales Practices
Litigation



THIS DOCUMENT RELATES TO:


Multidistrict Litigation
No. 09-md-2059 (RHK/JJK)






STIPULATED ORDER FOR SETTLEMENT

Plaintiffs commenced this action on behalf of themselves and all similarly situated
persons against Robinson Outdoors, Inc. and Robinson Outdoor Products, LLC
(“Robinson”) for alleged damages suffered from the marketing of carbon-lined hunting
clothing. Plaintiffs sought permanent injunctive relief, damages and attorneys’ fees for
alleged violations of various state consumer protection statutes and other laws. The
Plaintiffs for themselves and the Defendants for themselves hereby stipulate to this Final
Order for Settlement.
The findings stipulated herein are for settlement purposes only. They are not
admissible for purposes of determining the liability of other Defendants.
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FINDINGS

1. This Court has jurisdiction over the subject matter of this action and has
jurisdiction over relief against Robinson. Venue in this district is proper.
2. Plaintiffs and Robinson stipulate and agree to this Order to settle and
resolve all matters in dispute arising from the Complaint to the date of entry of the Order.
Robinson does not admit any of the allegations of the Complaint, other than the
jurisdictional facts. Plaintiffs and Robinson stipulate and agree that this Order constitutes
a settlement pursuant to Rule 408.
3. Robinson waives all rights to seek judicial review or otherwise challenge
or contest the validity of this Order.
4. Robinson has used the phrase “odor elimination” in connection with
hunting clothing apparel and other products.
5. Robinson maintains and the parties stipulate that none of Robinson’s
advertising of its “odor eliminating technology” products for at least the past three years
has used the term “100%,” “all,” “completely” or “totally” in referring to efficacy.
6. Robinson also maintains and the parties stipulate that its advertising of its
“odor eliminating technology” products for at least the past three years has used words
that further qualify this language indicating that carbon-embedded clothing cannot totally
eliminate odor. Robinson maintains and the parties stipulate that Robinson’s advertising
in the past three years, taken in context, implies only odor reduction.
7. Robinson maintains and the parties stipulate that Robinson’s advertising
over the last three years advocated a multiple phase process using all Robinson’s
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products in combination so that the hunter has the best possible opportunity to eliminate
odor.
8. Robinson’s current advertising graphics depict how its “odor eliminating
technology” products work (i.e., that odor goes into the carbon), and Robinson maintains
and the parties stipulate that the graphic is not a depiction of the specific percentage of
odor adsorption.
9. The parties stipulate that carbon can adsorb human odor. The parties
stipulate that the amount of carbon in the product and the process used to embed the
carbon to the product impacts the carbon’s effectiveness. The parties further stipulate
that Robinson’s carbon-embedded clothing contains substantially more carbon and uses a
different application process than other carbon-embedded hunting clothing products
currently on the market. Robinson has produced evidence of expert testing that
establishes that its garments containing activated carbon are effective at blocking the
transmission of odor through the garments and the amount of carbon used and the process
by which the carbon is embedded in the liner of the hunting clothing makes the odor-
blocking ability of the Robinson products more effective at reducing human odor than
other hunting garments containing carbon as well as non-carbon hunting garments.
10. Robinson has provided evidence of expert testing that establishes that,
after washing and drying, its carbon fabrics continue to be effective at reducing odor
permeation.
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11. Robinson has provided expert testing that shows that after washing and
drying its carbon fabrics are “reactivated” and such clothing is restored to some extent for
continued beneficial use.
12. Robinson denies all the allegations and claims made by the Plaintiffs in
this and the related actions.
13. The parties have agreed to settle all claims that have been brought or
could have been brought against the other parties and forever release and discharge each
other from all possible claims except for performance of the settlement obligations.
14. The Court adopts these facts for purposes of this Order.
ORDER

ADVERTISING AND MARKETING RELIEF

II. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED

Robinson is hereby permitted to continue to use its phrase “odor eliminating
technology” but only in conjunction with other words or phrases that expressly make
clear that the clothing in question can only reduce the release of human odor. Robinson
may not use the phrases “elimination” or “odor eliminating” or “scent eliminating” alone
or in conjunction with words or graphics that say or depict “scent-free,” “odor free,”
“100%,” “all” or “every trace” or “every bit” of odor as removed by the clothing.
Robinson is hereby permitted to continue to use the word “regenerate” or
“reactivate” as a description of the process of removal of some trapped odor from the
clothing, as long as they do not include additional words or graphics that say or depict
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regeneration or reactivation as a process that will restore the clothing to pristine or like
new condition.
RELEASE

III. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED

Any and all claims (except for performance of the settlement obligations) that the
Plaintiffs have against the Defendants and any of their officers, directors, shareholders,
members, employees, agents, affiliates and attorneys, of whatever nature, whether known
or unknown, from the beginning of time, are hereby dismissed, discharged and satisfied
in full.
RETENTION OF JURISDICTION

III. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, that this Court shall retain jurisdiction over this
matter for purposes of construction, modification and enforcement.

ENTRY OF FINAL JUDGMENT

IV. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, that pursuant to Federal Rule 54(b), that there is no
just reason for delay and the Clerk of Court shall immediately enter this Order as a final
judgment as to relief against Robinson.

I would agree that the scent blocker works right after it is made. I would assume they used new clothing in the court case. Now after the clothing is full of odor; how much can the clothing hold then? Is it only 5% of what it could hold after the first wash and then only 1% after the second wash? That is a question I would like to know the answer to.

Quote:

"What is this "huge" difference? No carbon filter can be regenerated or reactivated in a household dryer, period. Since you say it is "fact" I would love to see the published data that proves Scentblocker's carbon can be regenerated or reactivated at temps anywhere near the low temps dryers are able to reach.

I can very easily provide the facts and references for the use of activated carbon as a VOC filter and trust me...those will not back up the use of carbon as a filter in clothing once the carbon is spent.

Like I said..show me the data, not a statement. By data...I mean real life, unbiased scientific data. If Scentblocker really had a way to reactivate carbon at low temperatures they would forget the hunting market and be a giant in the environmental field. This would mean that they have figured out what all other engineers and scientists around the world have not been able to figure out and utilize in the real life use of activated carbon as VOC filters.

If I had a real dog in the fight it would be very easy to set up a controlled experiment to show just how quickly any of the carbon clothing manufacturer's clothing is rendered useless for filtering out VOCs...and how a dryer does nothing to change that...but I don't care that much about it. A swatch of fabric, a VOC medium in a glass container, and a PID with timed detections of VOCs passing thru the fabric...pretty easy experiement. Wash and dry according to directions and repeat. Hmmm...

I said in this thread early on that no matter what the reality of activated carbon reactivation and regeneration is...there are plenty of convinced hunters that will continue to purchase because they just believe that somehow their clothes defy what is known about carbon filters.

I have also said many times, and still say that I believe if the carbon clothing companies can continue to make money, more power to them."
Robin@AimLow

I just read this somewhere. Does anyone know anything about this?

Quote:

"Independent testing ?

Scent blocker is now claiming that they have done independent testing to prove how effective their product is reducing odor (Not Human)

They choose Hexane to use in the testing. According to Wikipedia” hexanes are significant constituents of gasoline. They are colorless liquids at room temperature with boiling points between 122 and 158 with gasoline like odor. ( Carefully chosen to fit into the dryer temperature. Just as Scentlok chose EMA with a boiling point of 96 in the Intertek testing.) They are widely used as cheap , relatively safe , largely unreactive , and easily evaporated non-polar solvents. “

It has always surprised me why these companies chose to use compounds other than human odor for testing purposes and then turn around and state their findings. Scott Schulz knows better than anyone that when his product is tested with animals it fails miserably as revealed in the Fox Investigative report and other test that he is aware of. Yet Haxane is proof positive of the superior product that they claim to have even it has nothing to do with human odor. Why won’t a hunter with a chemist background like Lee Lakosky come out and be honest and upfront with the hunting public ? We know from the transcripts that he notified Scentlok that their product was not working and he was being winded."

It's no wonder the country's in the shape it's in, few actually think through things.


Just curios, why do I wear any clothes for a length of time? I mean if getting rid of the accumulated stink is impossible without burning them up, you'd think clothes would be thrown out at an alarming rate, yet some how they are reactivated to once again absorb more stink. Just an amazing concept for people who claim to know science. Must never wash and dry any clothes. It is kind of a new concept in personal hygiene. :)

Sheep come in all shapes and sizes but they all have one thing in common, they're followers of a Judas goat. I've read T.R.M. and didn't find him to be a credible source and it wasn't about his claims to know the science behind scent lok clothing. A company he had no problem with until they fire him.

Blind hatred blinds. If people weren't so blind they'd see what scent lok came up with and do the same. Just common sense stuff wrapped in the mystery (hocus pocus stuff to sell the product).
The carbon does work in 2 ways. It adsorbs and creates a cover scent.

I like good wool but SC is half the price without the hassle and just as good a product with or without scent control that wool doesn't have any claims. I can also find SC at bargain discounted prices. Wool? forget about it and SC doesn't shirk like every piece of wool I've owned and ruined hunting away from home using laundry mats.

SC not SB is great clothes at a good price when you shop smart. Never found SB at a good price.

they never fired him
their product does zero with 27% coverage.

High Tide - Be Truthful - The court never ruled it works.
This was a settlement agreement that Scent Blocker agreed to so that they won't be found guilty just like Cabela's , Scentlok , and Gander Mountain.
They settled in 9 different lawsuits in 9 states. Why ?
Why would they enter into a settlement agreement if their product worked ?
Why would they pay a HUGE sum to settle if they weren't guilty ?
Is it because they think the hunting public is stupid enough to believe this ?
The testing they did at the University of Minnesota was set up by Scent Blocker and the choose to test with Hexane which has a boiling point that fits in exactly with the temperature of the dryer. Hexane has nothing to do with human odor. Why not just test human odor ? When you rig the test you can get the results you need. A careful study of what you posted has more holes than swiss cheese. A copy of Scott Schultz's staement has been sent to the court to verify their statements concerning these products.

I just read some new information. Anyone else hear about this?

Quote:

"Scent Blocker’s Schultz makes a mockery out of US District Court Ruling.

Schultz the CEO of Robinson entered into a settlement agreement for his company and personally that was issued by the US District Court. Scent blocker and Schultz were sued in regard’s from the marketing of carbon lined clothing. The parties stipulated to this final order for settlement. The findings stipulated herein are for settlement purposes only. The parties have agreed ….. except for the performance of the settlement obligations.
Schultz is quoted in a release to Hunting News that the Court has found Scent Blocker’s products superior. The whole article is full of half- truths and falsehoods. They were sued for false advertising not how their product performed and the court in its decision never stated about how their products actually worked. For Schultz to make the statements he did to Hunting Net shows contempt for the hunting public and he knows these statements are not true.

It is becoming, in my opinion, that the truth is lost in the search for the almighty dollar. The media and the magazines are not interested in whether a product actually works but only in the revenues it can produce. They failed to do any amount of checking to see if the claims made by carbon clothing makers are accurate and true. One program gave Scentlok a full half hour to spread the claims that the US District Court found to be false. The media is largely responsible for where we find ourselves today.

Human Odor Testing by Scentlok and Scent Blocker

In order to show how effective carbon was in reducing human odor in clothing these company’s chose to do what they call” independent testing” even though they paid for the testing.

Scentlok hired Intertek labs to do their testing and the compound that they chose to test was EMA (Ethyl Methylamine- which has a low boiling point of 97-99 degrees)
Scent Blocker went to the University of Minnesota and chose Hexane to test which in turn has a boiling point of 158 degrees.

Why EMA and Hexane were chosen was because they had boiling points the fit into the temperature of a home dryer not because of any real relationship to human odor.
Essentially what Scentlok and then Scent Blocker did was to rig the test to get the results they wanted, to fool the hunting public that their products worked despite the courts clear ruling that they did not."

I like to use H.S. Elimination Products. Do I think they work, yes when I do my part by playing the wind in my direction.

Here is another little article I got sent to me.
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“The first volley in the war between Scent Blocker and Scentlok was sent by Scent Blocker in a news release to Hunting Net News. All over the internet and on most of the hunting blogs are postings stating that the Federal Court has found that Scent Blocker products are superior. Superior to what ? This was never stated by the court or is part of the settlement agreement. Despite entering into a settlement agreement in 9 separate lawsuits filed against Scentlok and their CEO Scott Schultz to avoid being found guilty. Scent Blocker took advantage of the court by presenting some false data that they told the court showed that Scent blocker was superior to Scentlok. Scent Blocker presented to the court a testing program done by the University of Minnesota and claiming to the court that Hextane related to human odor. A careful study reveals “ hextanes are significant constituents of gasoline. They are all colorless liquids at room temperature with boiling points between 50 and 70 degrees C with gasoline like odors. They are widely used as cheap, relatively safe , largely unreactive and easily evaporated non-polar solvents.”( Wikipedia) Sent Blocker specifically chose Hextane to use for testing purposes because it fit into the temperatures of a home dryer. Just as Scentlok had used EMA’s as their testing compound with Intertek Scent Blockers sole effort was to fool the hunter into actually believing that the product worked on human odor. The testing had nothing to do with human odors with boiling points of compounds that are higher than reached in a dryer. By testing against Scentlok , which has already been found guilty, Scent Blocker is trying to increase their market share. The bottom line is that although Scent Blocker for years relied on Scentloks patents and testing to bring their product to market, paid thousands of dollars in royalities has now chosen to try to undermine their competition with some very false and misleading statements to the court and the public. The is an old saying “ you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free “ Scent Blocker and CEO Schultz know full well that their product has been tested ,using their directions , and failed to stop enough human odor to keep a search and rescue dog from finding an individual in their clothing using their sprays as well. It seems that after making millions at the expense of hunter’s the truth would be refreshing.”

I'm not going to say that it eliminates all of your odor, but it does help. Sure, there may be some false advertising there, and you should ALWAYS hunt the wind, but I do think it helps at least somewhat. But in order for it to have a real effect you need to go at it 100%. Store your clothes in a scent-free container, wash them with scent free detergent, spray down before and after getting to your stand, wear rubber boots, and eliminate and mouth odor.

I used Dead Down Wind one year, had a doe with her fawns come within ten feet of me, while I was on the ground. Close encounter, the wind was in the deer's favor, never busted me. I need to find some more of that Dead Down Wind. It proved me wrong, pretty quick.

I have always used all the scent away products. I have even take the green bath soap and mixed it in a spray bottle for cover spray. You will always be busted by deer, but I have been very little using this product. This is just in my case. Everyone's is different...

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