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11-26-2008, 10:05 AM
#2
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Plum Boro, PA
Posts: 1,423
RE: Are we prejudice ? Is there something we're overlooking ?
Even though we have a boatload of archers here in PA and the woods get pretty crowded in some areas, the deer overall are no where near as pressured as when the pumpkin army hits the woods. It really is just a matter of numbers here.
11-26-2008, 10:10 AM
#3
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 7,208
RE: Are we prejudice ? Is there something we're overlooking ?
I have never noticed a difference in how deer travel and interact during firearms season, on my properties. I can bowhunt all year....Sometimes I notice an increase in deer numbers, most likely because someone on a nieghboring property did a deer drive...Seems like the deer seek refuge for a few hours and then go back("seems").
11-26-2008, 10:10 AM
#4
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location:
Posts: 306
RE: Are we prejudice ? Is there something we're overlooking ?
Some gun huntersact how you described.Many of them do drives which is more invasive than anything bowhunters do. Also, how many of you have see drunken gun hunting groups in the woods, talk about scary, I've never met a drunken bowhunter in the field yet.
I have nothing aginst gun hunters, I have hard feeling againstsome state goverments that have laws/seasons that cater too much to gun hunters like having seasons in the rut, too largeof game limits and too long of seasons for rifle/shotgun and now muzzleloader which is essentially a rifle nowadays.
I have nothing aginst gun hunters, I have hard feeling againstsome state goverments that have laws/seasons that cater too much to gun hunters like having seasons in the rut, too largeof game limits and too long of seasons for rifle/shotgun and now muzzleloader which is essentially a rifle nowadays.
11-26-2008, 10:52 AM
#5
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Jefferson County, Missouri
Posts: 7,684
RE: Are we prejudice ? Is there something we're overlooking ?
I have hard feeling againstsome state goverments that have laws/seasons that cater too much to gun hunters like having seasons in the rut, too largeof game limits and too long of seasons for rifle/shotgun and now muzzleloader which is essentially a rifle nowadays.
11-26-2008, 10:56 AM
#6
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: land of the Lilliputians, In the state of insanity
Posts: 26,274
RE: Are we prejudice ? Is there something we're overlooking ?
It doesnt effect my hunt, except for more people being out in the field. If I had a complaint it would be that many gun hunters do not know, or care much about understanding deer. And due to this, they drive all over the place, or walk everywhere,and tend to spoke the deer. The land next to mine is all gun hunters. Many times they will walk all over the place, right next to my fence line, spreading stink all over the normal trails that the deer use. This gets the deer unpredictable, making it hard to set up on them.
11-26-2008, 10:57 AM
#7
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,911
RE: Are we prejudice ? Is there something we're overlooking ?
ORIGINAL: Dopler
I have nothing aginst gun hunters, I have hard feeling againstsome state goverments that have laws/seasons that cater too much to gun hunters like having seasons in the rut, too largeof game limits and too long of seasons for rifle/shotgun and now muzzleloader which is essentially a rifle nowadays.
I have nothing aginst gun hunters, I have hard feeling againstsome state goverments that have laws/seasons that cater too much to gun hunters like having seasons in the rut, too largeof game limits and too long of seasons for rifle/shotgun and now muzzleloader which is essentially a rifle nowadays.
The ONE thing that I'm not fond of, is that my family (whom have gotten better) pay no attention to scent control. That pressures deer more than I like to think about.
11-26-2008, 11:11 AM
#8
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Central Minnesota
Posts: 9,445
RE: Are we prejudice ? Is there something we're overlooking ?
ORIGINAL: Rory/MO
How can you seriously say that dude? Look how much time bowhunters have, then compare that to how much time gun hunters do. Really there is no comparison.
I have hard feeling againstsome state goverments that have laws/seasons that cater too much to gun hunters like having seasons in the rut, too largeof game limits and too long of seasons for rifle/shotgun and now muzzleloader which is essentially a rifle nowadays.
If I was gun hunter In Minnesota I would be tickled pink. The rut Is usually In It's prime during the gun season. I've seen some unbelievable bucks at this time while bow hunting but they were either running or they were way to far away. I'd have some dandy bucks if I chose to gun hunt. They have It made here In Minnesota. What Dopler Is saying Is probably exactly what I just said. This Is no rip on the gun hunters. It's a rip on the Mn DNR and there regulation's.
11-26-2008, 11:16 AM
#9
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Phoenixville, PA USA
Posts: 5,541
RE: Are we prejudice ? Is there something we're overlooking ?
ORIGINAL: rybohunter
Consider yourself lucky. That isn't even clsoe to a reality for the places I hunt. Itsa circus to put it mildly. Drives almost daily, and even when those aren't going on you can still find a random guy or 5 wandering around because they are too cold or bored. It would be a dream if they all watched fields.
I have never noticed a difference in how deer travel and interact during firearms season, on my properties. I can bowhunt all year....Sometimes I notice an increase in deer numbers, most likely because someone on a nieghboring property did a deer drive...Seems like the deer seek refuge for a few hours and then go back("seems").
If he is part of a group they will push out every available woodlot they can set up on and drive out in a day's time. Anything they don't get they will get the next day and once they have expended all of the property they can push they will do it all over again.
This is not a criticism of the way they choose to hunt because everything I've stated is legal and a long standing tradition here in PA. However, it does definitely put a lot of pressure on the deer and puts them on a near exclusive nocturnal pattern, so that the only movement you can expect is if they are pushed. That makes for some difficult bow hunting later on in the seaon.
11-26-2008, 11:32 AM
#10
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location:
Posts: 21,043
RE: Are we prejudice ? Is there something we're overlooking ?
I have hard feeling againstsome state goverments that have laws/seasons that cater too much to gun hunters like having seasons in the rut, too largeof game limits and too long of seasons for rifle/shotgun and now muzzleloader which is essentially a rifle nowadays.
Take a look at "most" big buck states regs. No gun hunting during the rut.
We still kill more bucks than does in my state. We'll never be even "good" if we continue to allow this. It's gonna get worse, next year, when gun seasons are proposed to be lengthened.
We STILL have it good here as bowhunters.....but it's gonna get worse. Will it affect my hunting? You betcha. I already share grounds with gun hunters....and the adjacent properties see gunfire, too.
For the MOST part, though....I agree with the OP. They usually sit the field and thicket edges, here. I have pockets they won't go into. I'm tryingto use those to my advantage.