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I wanted to send a message ...Most of you all know this..but it comes from my heart...and we're all here together to learn..


If you're still tracking after 150 yards you did not hit the heart or lungs....We should all back off and go back the next day..

1) I have found many gut shot deer that I backed off on..found the next day

2) I have never found a deer that I hit high in the shoulder with the arrow still sticking in..this is a shot that missed the vitals.. You think you drilled them perfect....but they JUST survive..I can not explain...but they have a power to live and this shot leaves us in the woods til 3AM

Ok..on the flip side..high shoulder shots flip them in their tracks too...its all on the area of the shot.(Some spine shots fall in this catagory)

3) I have always recovered deer that were heart shot or lung shot within 50 yards...the arrow may pass through like butter...the deer may buck and do the colt 45 style...(this is a dead deer) the deer may tuck its tail and bull doze through the woods....These are heart and lung shots...

Deer reaction is a very important key to understand after the shot...

..........we all know when that arrow truly made its mark..

Crash, bang, boom,...the woods is silent...you made a heart/lung shot

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Surely your not suggesting the "void" are you?

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If the VOID is the dead zone I consider behind the shoulder and high.....then yes...this is a BAD area to be in......3 inches below the spine...

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Oh man...edit your post...

It is a comin' [&:]

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Really?

While I suppose that you can generalize a bit, deer are weird animals and do weird things.

Tracked a double lunged deer my dad shot 200 yards year before last. Ample blood, in SNOW, and yet the deer ran more than you say they will/should.

Had there been no snow and had we backed out and left the deer overnight, the coyotes would have devoured it. We don't all have the luxury of backing off of what seems like a marginal hit.

I can appreciate the post, but the generalization doesn't hold water for ALL people in ALL places.

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he meant ABOVE the spine.........i hope




that is the VOID that everyone speaks of....high in the back bone...litttttttle penetration...deer acts like you drilled it...blood looks good because its bright muscle blood..100-150yds later it just ENDS...deer is never found...atleast not dead...


most people do not realize how low a deers spine is above the vitals and how the ribs and backbone make a mass of bone and cartilage and such that stops an arrow hard and fast...but above the spine and vitals...

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Ok here we go. If you shoot a deer under the spine, But behind the shoulder you got LUNG. Period. Now whether that lung collapses or not is a different story, such how the "Void" myth was started.

Here are some CT scan of various mammals that show how the lungs go up around the spine, there is NO way to shoot under the spine without hitting lungs.

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Just to add On my first doe I shot this year was Below the spine BARELY. She wnt 60 and piled up. It was so close to the spine I really dont see how I missed it, but I did.

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I'd have to dissagree,if this statement were true, about tucking tail, bulldozing, and hitting every limb, branch, and tree from the ground up to about 4 foot off the ground then everything goes silent...I'd be sitting in front of a 140 class buck2 weeks ago. When I seen how that deer reacted, I thought I smoked him based on those same observations, only to find5 yards long of spotty blood. But we looked for about a hour around the last blood then came back in the morning, found another few areas of drops of blood more than 1/4 mile from the previous spot of blood. I had freakin tears in my eyes from dissapointment, shock and asking myself "Why..what did I do wrong...asking myself why I even bother hunting to begin with". I looked everywhere I possibly could. But turned up nothing.

Point is, in most cases yes, they may be true, but not in all. Every deer is different and reacts different.

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There is a spot you can hit thats above the spine,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q52u9ROoFnQ

I looked for this buck for 3 days, found minimal blood. I believe he lived.

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Im with ya Mauser, if the diaphram is punctured, that deer will die. Theres just do way a deer can live with a hole that big in their chest cavity, whether they hit any vitals or not. No air=no life.


I hear what your saying though Mich. We all should pay very close attention to detail and be smarter about going after these deer. Theres a difference between a smart tracker and a dedicated tracker.

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This deer was shot at 5 yds from a 20' perch. She went 120yds.

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If there is ANYTHING I’ve learned from shooting deer with a bow and being in on other tracks that people shot, is that the only thing you can say for certain is, that nothing is for certain. Weird things happen all the time. Bad hits that drop em in 40 yds, and double lungs that run 150 with no blood trail.

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thanks for the info we all need to brush up on the stuff from time to time.

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Lets see, I heart/lung shot a deer this early sept. , she went 200 yards before she piled up, It was just about a perfect shot in terms of trying to kill a deer fast. My buddy shot a doe, a week later, just as gut shot as you ever wanted to see. She made it 30 yards before dying [&:]Go figure.

They all act differently, and there is only one spot that I never ever want to hit on a deer again, high in the shoulder joint/ ball. This is some of the toughest bone and it is almost certain you wont penetrate through it. I lost one like this, with only a couple of drops of blood found over 150 yards away from the stand. Just my experiences.

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I guess I violated this tenant when I and my neighbors tracked my first deer. But the blood trail was strong most of the 250 yards, so we knew he was bleeding out. 1.5 hours after the shot, we came upon him down but not dead, and I was able to humanely kill him and successfully harvest him (temperature was warm, so he would not have kept well).

I know I know nothing, but a strong blood trail that can be followed will lead to a dead of incapacitated deer.

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I have seen heart/ling shots go pretty far, probably 150 yards even. Hitem high above the vitals and spine and most will be lost.

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