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RE: How much human scent is "enough"?
She was upwind of me at that point, both Kurt and I entered exactly on that road she was sniffing. She then walked the same path Kurt walked. I guess our scent regiment worked! She smelled us, obviously but didn't get a dose she felt alarmed about, add that to your wind thread. LOL She feed under Kurt's stand at his end. This tells me nothing as to what they'll tolerate. I'm seeing this as no human scent was detected. He simply noticed something was disturbed (something my steps broke or disturbed). That's MY thinking, anyway. |
RE: How much human scent is "enough"?
The difference between mature bucks and does, fawns and immature bucks is that many times, the does, fawns and immature bucks seem to need to verify a second sense to positively sense danger. Where as mature bucks only need just a hint of one sense before they flee the scene. I think that 100 years of "buck hunting" has helped mature bucks evolve into this "better safe than sorry" behavior.
Ever had a mature buck hit your scent trail and try to back track you to your stand? I haven't, but I've had many does, fawns and immature bucks do it. It's been said before that mature bucks are like hunting another species. You just cannot compare mature bucks with other deer when it comes to their tolerance of humans. I hunt in suburban areas also where deer and man are in close proximity with each other and the deer are still just wary as their rural counterparts. They may actually be better at skirting humans. They may circle around them, remain nocturnal or move about at a time when humans just aren't around. I don't think for a minute that you can fool a deers nose into thinking that you are some place other than where you are. They are just too good at the smelling game, their life depends on it. These are the reasons that I rely solely on the wind rather than on some scent reducing gimmick. It's not worth the chance. |
RE: How much human scent is "enough"?
The difference between mature bucks and does, fawns and immature bucks is that many times, the does, fawns and immature bucks seem to need to verify a second sense to positively sense danger. Where as mature bucks only need just a hint of one sense before they flee the scene. I think that 100 years of "buck hunting" has helped mature bucks evolve into this "better safe than sorry" behavior. Ever had a mature buck hit your scent trail and try to back track you to your stand? I haven't, but I've had many does, fawns and immature bucks do it. It's been said before that mature bucks are like hunting another species. You just cannot compare mature bucks with other deer when it comes to their tolerance of humans. I hunt in suburban areas also where deer and man are in close proximity with each other and the deer are still just wary as their rural counterparts. They may actually be better at skirting humans. They may circle around them, remain nocturnal or move about at a time when humans just aren't around. I don't think for a minute that you can fool a deers nose into thinking that you are some place other than where you are. They are just too good at the smelling game, their life depends on it. These are the reasons that I rely solely on the wind rather than on some scent reducing gimmick. It's not worth the chance. Good post, Greg. |
RE: How much human scent is "enough"?
I'm seeing this as no human scent was detected. He simply noticed something was disturbed (something my steps broke or disturbed). That's MY thinking, anyway. And all critters walking disturb things, grasses, twigs, do deer double check the grass broken by the deer that passed before them and intimately discern why? I know footprints are plausible, I've watch my own tracking dog put his nose in prints to discern what is what. |
RE: How much human scent is "enough"?
ORIGINAL: GregH The difference between mature bucks and does, fawns and immature bucks is that many times, the does, fawns and immature bucks seem to need to verify a second sense to positively sense danger. Where as mature bucks only need just a hint of one sense before they flee the scene. I think that 100 years of "buck hunting" has helped mature bucks evolve into this "better safe than sorry" behavior. Ever had a mature buck hit your scent trail and try to back track you to your stand? I haven't, but I've had many does, fawns and immature bucks do it. It's been said before that mature bucks are like hunting another species. You just cannot compare mature bucks with other deer when it comes to their tolerance of humans. I hunt in suburban areas also where deer and man are in close proximity with each other and the deer are still just wary as their rural counterparts. They may actually be better at skirting humans. They may circle around them, remain nocturnal or move about at a time when humans just aren't around. I don't think for a minute that you can fool a deers nose into thinking that you are some place other than where you are. They are just too good at the smelling game, their life depends on it. These are the reasons that I rely solely on the wind rather than on some scent reducing gimmick. It's not worth the chance. And, I read where you claimed you absolutely would not purposely alert a doe to your presence so you do pay attention to scent control as I've also read where you use reducing sprays, so "gimmick" should be defined as well. |
RE: How much human scent is "enough"?
I believe the word gimmick refers to anything another man doesn't use and/or believe in.
As defined by the unwritten book on Deer hunters ego. Which by the way.. I'm gonna write one day.:D As far as how much scent is enough? Depends on the individual animal. It's own education as to the ways of man. So naturally.. with age comes wisdom? So.. there's really no wrong or right answer. But if you hunt the wind.. the thermals.. and try to eliminate all the odors you can.. you're playing better odds than the other guy. |
RE: How much human scent is "enough"?
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer ORIGINAL: GregH The difference between mature bucks and does, fawns and immature bucks is that many times, the does, fawns and immature bucks seem to need to verify a second sense to positively sense danger. Where as mature bucks only need just a hint of one sense before they flee the scene. I think that 100 years of "buck hunting" has helped mature bucks evolve into this "better safe than sorry" behavior. Ever had a mature buck hit your scent trail and try to back track you to your stand? I haven't, but I've had many does, fawns and immature bucks do it. It's been said before that mature bucks are like hunting another species. You just cannot compare mature bucks with other deer when it comes to their tolerance of humans. I hunt in suburban areas also where deer and man are in close proximity with each other and the deer are still just wary as their rural counterparts. They may actually be better at skirting humans. They may circle around them, remain nocturnal or move about at a time when humans just aren't around. I don't think for a minute that you can fool a deers nose into thinking that you are some place other than where you are. They are just too good at the smelling game, their life depends on it. These are the reasons that I rely solely on the wind rather than on some scent reducing gimmick. It's not worth the chance. And, I read where you claimed you absolutely would not purposely alert a doe to your presence so you do pay attention to scent control as I've also read where you use reducing sprays, so "gimmick" should be defined as well. You must have me confused with someone else as I don't own any kind of scent reducing spray. I wash my clothes in plain water and hang out to air dry. I would never try to alert any deer to my presence. While walking to my stands I stay off of deer trails and step in deer, horse or cow manure if possible to help cover my tracks. If you want, I guess you could consider that to be scent reducing!!?? [:-] I have a field stand up north in Wi. It is an alfalfa field with woods on two sides. From past mistakes, I've learned to walk to the stand directly down the center of the field, not along the woods. That way, by the time a deer hits my trail it would be too late for it to flee if I wanted to shoot it. Also, if a doe comes along that I don't want to shoot and she starts back tracking me, I've got the wind in my face and hope for the best that she won't recognize my frozen shape in the tree. I've never had a mature buck do this to me as I have had does do several times. |
RE: How much human scent is "enough"?
I think it is truly deer dependant and what they will tolerate, like previous said.
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RE: How much human scent is "enough"?
Then scent control was crucial if no human scent was detected where you walked in because that's impossible without scent control right? And all critters walking disturb things, grasses, twigs, do deer double check the grass broken by the deer that passed before them and intimately discern why? I believe the word gimmick refers to anything another man doesn't use and/or believe in. |
RE: How much human scent is "enough"?
I think it depends alot on what the deer are use to. I know I hunt relatively close to neighborhoods during bow season and most of the time could go in without any scent control and deer wouldnt think twice about it as they will walk right out in the yards of the houses with people standing there. Now if you are hunting 5 miles from anyone then I would say there tolerance would be vey low.
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