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http://www.ifish.net/board/showthrea...02#post2220702

Here is a thread I started on ifish.net. I found it on archertalk.com and thought it was a good but long read.

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Very good read, thanks for posting it.

I am some what in the middle of what a deer does and doesn't see. I have been hunting for almost 20 yrs, and up until 3 yrs ago I did nothing but hunt on the ground. I have been sitting on my little folding hunting seat and have a doe walk right up beside me. I don't mean a few feet away either, I mean almost brushing up against me. Yet at the same time I have been bow hunting and have a buck walk up right under my stand and just look up at me. Was it me, my stand, my camo, maybe even my bow that got me busted? Yet the next day I shot a doe at the same stand, with the same bow, and same gear.

I have a florecent black light at the house I might try it on some stuff just to actually see what glows and what don't. Might plug it into an extention cord and go to the woods and see what glows in nature also.

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I'm planning on getting a light also. It would be interesting to know if any of my camo lights up in the dark with the blb light.

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Well I went out and got the blb light and checked most of my camo. It looks like my camo is all UV free. I don't know if I bought it all UV free or made it UV free by spraying UV killer on all of them. Checked a few none hunting shirts that just got washed and they were glowing from the light. Pretty interesting.

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I had a blacklight and figured I'd check mine. About half my clothes were uv free. Seemed like the cheaper cotton shirts and jeans all had uv but I don't wear them really anyhow.. My orange for gun season had uv as well, it already glows though.. lol

I did try the uv killer. Followed instructions but it diddn't seem to work. I mean maybe it dimmed it a bit but not much. I was more curious, but either way.. There ya have it...

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I find the subject interesting, but the original posters info complete BS.

He blocked people who disagreed with him, and only credited hunting success and failure to UV alone. Movement, scent, and hunting skill is no longer important, UV determines all.

The only thing I don't understand is this. He says humans cant see UV. He says UV dies are used to brighten colors in clothing......How does a UV brightener effect the color we see if UV cant be seen by us in the first place?:eek:

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I was really curious, so I read the link, and some more info on the subject...

Conclusion:

I found myself very pissed, and even more confused. :eek:

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I'm not even gonna bother:eek:

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To be completely honest, I don't care about "UV". I mean, I've been successful for several years now, so I must be doing something right!

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Why does everyone worry about movement, scent, camo patterns, and hunting skills; but not UV. If checking for UV on clothes that we will by in the future helps us stay even better hidden from animals; isn't it worth it? It's not like a blb light costs that much compared to all the other expensive products we buy. Oh well just my 2 cents.

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I think this is still one area that most people don't feel like it effects them.

Same can be said for moon phase, different camo patterns, different calls, or estrus scents.

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the bottom line is we have no idea what a deer can and can not see. i think the uv stuff is BS personally. but i guess to each their own.

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Maybe because those things are more important.

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Rory/MO
Why would camo pattern be so important if deer see the world in yellow and your camo is glowing blue from UV in the dye of your clothes? At Oregon State University were I'm in the Fish & Wildlife department I have talked to several professorsthat claim deer can see the UV. I would rather blend in with my surroundings and not glow blue. Oh well

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CLOTHES DONT HAVE UV!!!!!

Why is this so hard to comprehend...UV is energy, a form of light that gives us skin cancer...it comes from the sun, not lying dormant in camo clothing. Some dies reflect UV more than others, but in order to reflect it, the atmosphere must be filled with UV rays in the first place. Many things reflect UV in nature as well, so it isnt like we are a big blue light special beacon in the midst of a yellow tinted woods in the eyes of a deer. they see EVERYTHING in blues and yellows, so to speak. UV must be everywhere in order for your clothes to reflect it, meaning everything around you will have a blueish tint as well.

Can deer see into the UV spectrum? Yes.
Does it take a movement in order to set them off? Most likely.

You cant honestly think UV stacks up to hunting skills, scent, and movement do you?

Be still, play the wind, be quiet, and know how to hunt the game you are after....if you get these down, you could wear ANY camo you possibly want. The better it matches the shades of your surroundings, the less likely they will pick you off.


Why is it such a misconception that this clothing possesses UV (energy) and is a glowing beacon?

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I wonder why universities around the U.S teach this to their students then? How have they done test on the UV subject and get the conclusions that they get? Why do some clothes with added ingredients in their dyes light up blue when a blb light is on them; while clothes without the ingredients don't glow blue? Have you ever watched this video? It may explain it better then I can. http://www.atsko.com/videopage.html
Ya I know that there are other things that will light up to a deers eyes in the woods, but a 6ft 200lb man in glowing blue camo is not normal and may give an advantage to the deer over a hunter.

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Yeah that's all good and all, but what can you wash your cloths into get rid of the UV glow?

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The way I understand it, and I'm no genius, is that the fabric used in most clothing is treated with UV brighteners, a dye if you will. This brightener makes whatever other colors are used on that fabric brighter and more vivid. The UV brightener also protects the fabric(thus the reflection of the UV rays) from UV rays since they will make the fabric break down quicker. The UV killer spray just basically coats the garment eliminating the reflection of the uv rays. When you wash the treated clothes you must re-apply the treatment. I dont know if it works or not but any advantage I can get I'll try it out. No harm no foul.

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I dont think you can get rid of it, you can just mask it temporarily.

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Yep your right.

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what universities? Which tests? What were the results?

Word of mouth sure does translate into fact rather quickly.;)

Ill say it one last time, a piece of clothing, or any other object for that matter, can not, will not, has not, and again CAN NOT have UV rays. It can only have uv dies which reflect already existent UV rays in the atmosphere. UV rays are pure forms of ENERGY, which I need no university lab to tell me my shirt is incapable of producing, especially on the UV level.

Scientists arent even sure which end of the UV spectrum deer can see in, and to what extent. Everything a deer sees is in yellow and blue tints, which means even if you were somehow a big blue marshmallow, you arent the only blue in the woods.

Im not saying it hurts you to use clothes that dont shine purple in a black light, but to say a black lights reflectiveness is as important as hunting skills, scent, and movement is hogwash. Some of these advocates go as far as discarding clothes that they used to use with success simply because they now figured out they glow in a black light. predator, an extremely popular and succesful camo, is supposedly the worst in the business for this UV reflection.....success. Its kind of like using a 3rd and 4th ratchet strap for a hang on stand, sure it wont hurt anything....but it is a waste of time, effort, and money when it works fine the way it is.


Id be interested in reading any actual university non biased study on the matter. I refuse to accept a manufacturers graph as fact, simply because they state it. Where are the links to these countless university studies on Deer's vision in the UV spectrum and how that relates to a black light turning a piece of clothing purple?


Even the OP of the AT thread who is VERY one sided on UV, says that the UV killer spray wont even pass his black light test?

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I spend 100% of my time and effort on shooting, scouting, stand placement, and wind direction. Whether I glow or not seemed to have no effect on 79 bowkills in 30 years. Does, little bucks or P&Ybucks, none of them seemed to care, so it's a non issue for me.

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TEmbry, you spoke everything i wanted to know. i think people make deer out to be these super beasts who are smart as dogs. they arent. just a deer.

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I've used it(UV Killer) in the past with mixed results. IMO if deer can truly see some camo glowing its only in the dark and not in daylight. I am not even sure if they can see camo glowing that contains UVs. We do know for certain that animals can see better in darkness than we do soooooo I really don't think it proves anything.

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Sorry I will try and find more info. I'm busy with school and work. The last website could keep a person busy trying to find and read up all the vision research.

http://hunting.suite101.com/article.cfm/how_do_deer_see_you

http://www.qdma.com/articles/details.asp?id=48

http://home.adelphia.net/~geffert/deervis.htm

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1279&context=icwdm_usd anwrc

http://www.atsko.com/articles/animal-vision-and-smell/uv-and-color-vision-references.html

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I yield, it makes me no difference. I dont want to read all these threads.:D

Use the products, it cant hurt, I just dont see it helping much.

I just wish some would realize these clothes dont emit UV, just reflect existing UV rays.


The one link i read basically confirmed what I thought. Deer see in yellow and blue, with grays for inbetween. beyond that, no one knows for sure....key phrases such as "it is expected that deer..." not "deer...."

Once again, it wont hurt anything, just be smart about it. Dont throw out camo because a black light makes it glow. Hunt smart, play the wind, dont move when they can see you and you will be fine.

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I totally agree that it does not hurt to worry about reflecting UV rays, but I would never throw away any camo that I had already. I will just try and buy future camo that has no dye in them that will relfect UV rays. Sorry all my other posts do sound like I mean UV is in some clothes. I was just lazy in my writting. I apologize to everyone for thinking everyone can read my mind. My wife hates when I do that. Hunting smart, playing the wind, and not moving are the top things that people should worry about, I just plan on adding one more to the list UV reflecting dye free clothes. Good luck for the rest of the people still hunting this year.