RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

The question was recovery, not passthru, hell I bet I could passthru with a field point, do you think that would be acceptable?

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Yep, I brought my razor sharp Muzzy's out into the field with me and saw 10 turkey, 3 doe, and a bobcat. Was beautiful.

And this thread is not advocating dull broadheads....we are talking physics here, and it is interesting to me. If you really think that this thread is advocating dull broadheads....delete the thread.

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I agree Rob..... it's hard not to get angry when guys speak without knowledge .... here is a nice little article ....

One guy I really like and respect a lot is Bob Mizek, an engineer with New Archery Products, maker of some of the finest broadheads in the history of bowhunting, including the Thunderhead, Crossfire, and the mechanical Spitfire. Bob is pretty laid back, but just because he plays a pretty mean rock & roll guitar doesn't take away from the fact that he is smart as a whip and really knows broadhead design and function. Here's what he said about the topic.

"I've had the chance to speak with a lot of bowhunters during the past year, both in person on hunts, in stores, and on the phone," Mizek said. "I have noticed a new and disturbing trend. Many new bowhunters do not understand the importance of using broadheads with razor-sharp blades. They do not understand that a sharp blade not only makes a cleaner, more humane cut; it also makes a larger cut because dull blades stretch tissue, not cut it.

"One evening I met a fellow hunter that formerly used mechanicals and changed to a new fixed-blade head because he felt he only needed to rinse them off with water and put them back in the quiver after shooting one, two, or three deer. He never even looked at the edge!,"

Mizek continued. "It was not sharp enough to break skin. He figured as long as he recovered the deer it was still 'OK' to use them this way. Another hunter in the group was re-sharpening Thunderhead blades with a kitchen knife sharpener. Both were more concerned about saving a few bucks on broadheads than having scalpel-sharp edges. These guys weren't poor 'Bubbas' either. Both had top-of-the-line 2005 Mathews Switchback bows, drop-away arrow rests, carbon arrows, pricey carbon scent-adsorbing clothing, and $35K pickup trucks. They were far from broke.

"These guys were kind enough to let me explain how NAP's testing in ballistic gelatin has clearly shown how sharp broadheads produce a bigger wound channel," Mizek said. "Then they asked why no one talks about the importance of sharp broadheads. I wondered what planet they had been living on."

There isn't enough space here to describe how blood clotting works, or tell you why clean, neat cuts bleed and bleed and take seemingly forever to stop while an irregular wound that has been ripped or torn open clots relatively quickly, plugging itself up with jellied blood. Let me simply say this. You should never, ever head afield without broadhead blades so sharp they scare you. Doing so is easy, quick, and inexpensive. If you use replaceable-blade heads, simply replace your practice blades with fresh ones from a cheap package of replacement blades. Accuracy will not suffer a whit. If you use a traditional-style head, you must re-sharpen the blades after practice to a keen, shaving-sharp edge. Sure this takes time - but it is the price you pay for using this style.

Why risk the success of your precious days afield by doing anything less? And do we not owe it to the game we hunt to do everything in our power to make sure that when the planets line up and we do get a good shot at a bear, bull, or buck, our broadheads will do the job in the quickest, most efficient, and most humane way possible?

I think we do.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Didnt indains ambush there game, proplelling several arrows at once into there game? It didnt really matter... "Its got 10 arrows in it, I dont think its going far."

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Um Rob, i just said that. Post #35:eek:


[8D]

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Well I would shot "C" but are you talk as they are now or when they were whole? But since we know from history they did the job they were made for I would shoot any of them when they were whole.

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I was looking at the same size head, one "dull" and one "sharp". Meaning "dull" I mean maybe just taken right out of the package and not sharpened to the quality that some people shoot for in their broadheads. I was examining a pass through shot and blood trails....simple. FOR THE 6678th time, I am not advocating dull heads.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

sharper blades lead to less clotting, more cutting and more blood ...period. Study over ....

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Um Aaron, it needed said again! :eek:

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Well as i said some of the admins are hear are like congressmen never right never wrong and if they dont like what you say they delete it. But I digress. And as we have all said these guys are "perfectionists" a muzzy, rage, magnus, NAP are all 30 degree angle blade sharpened. I guarantee with a dull broadhead used 2 times without sharpening will go through a deer. Unless you dont know how to shoot a bow. You guys think what you want use a fast enough bow youll get passthrough with a dull or sharp broadhead.

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LOL. Touche...:D

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My Pops said "sometimes you cant fix stupid".

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Wow I have been here for I think almost two years and believe this is the fastest growing post I have ever seen?????

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so will a field tip ... what's your point??????????????????

The sharper the blade, thebigger the wound, the more capalaries, veins and arteries that get cut, the more bloodthat flows, the less clotting that happens ....the better the blood trail [:-];)

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What got deleted yahoo? But I digress oh and it's on here not are hear. ;)



TeeJay, I couldn't agree more.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Try it then. I guarantee youll get less clotting with a jagged blade. A razor sharp blade just has less resistance. Thats why it has more penetration. Its simple. But the jagged blade will tear up more tissue.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

you're wrong ....period.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

I guarantee this is not one experiment I will try. I will always shoot the sharpest heads I can find to blast through deer. Just posing a question guys.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Then why do we use straight knives to field dress deer instead of serrated one? It certainly isn't better at cutting tissue in that circumstance.

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Im really not but you are gonna think what you want. Trust me. Before you tell someone they are wrong try it first. Hunting is a science and lots of you arent scientists. Ask a doctor what kinda cut is worse he will tell you a jagged cut. And Im am an EMT, Im sure when it comes to bleeding ive seen my fair share and people are not much different then deer. A JAGGED CUT IS WORSE PERIOD HANDS DOWN.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Wow, I guess a touchy subject was hit.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Would this "dull" broadhead make a good blood trail?



As compared to this?

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

That first broadhead was primitive The second one would do just fine
But here what about this one.


http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0033290416924a&navCount=2&podI d=0033290&parentId=cat20059&masterpathid=& amp;navAction=push&cmCat=MainCatcat21424-cat20059&catalogCode=QX&rid=&parentTyp e=index&indexId=cat20059&hasJS=true

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Dull blades push veins, and arteries out of the way, where as sharp blades slice throught them.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Thank you burnie for you post. Not looking for blood, no pun intended, but merely factual.

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To be honest, the obsidian head is sharper than the head you have pictured below. Obsidian and flint can be napped sharper than any metal. You can actually nap obsidian to a beval width of 1 atom. Which is much sharper than any metal. The reason many do not use stone heads is because they are very hard to nap and get balanced. And to buy good obsidian heads, you will spend much more money than you will on steal heads. Ive seen them used many times.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

then apparently you guys believe in advertising. There are companies out there who make serrated blades..And all the serations are its dull parts of the blade.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Im a bowyer. I make trad gear. I dont fall for the hype. Ive been at the trad game since the 70s.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

So is this an inaccurate description of this broadhead?



The Magnus Four Blade BuzzCut® boasts the super-penetrating, straight-shooting performance of the Stinger Four Blade with a serrated leading edge that cuts massive amounts of tissue for quicker kills and bigger blood trails.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

those are razor sharp my friend

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No it's not, it's a hobby. And some of you guys have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much free time on your hands toover-analyze stuff like this and debate it and actually try and outdo each other with clever commets. If a dull broadhead performed so friggin well, we would of never engineered a head that could hold razor sharp blades. We'd still be using those rocks some other dude posted.

And I'l bet a hefty bag of cash, a surgeon don't use a dull scalpel dude. No reason to bring doctors in this, there aren't any in the woods. And if there were, they'd probably use extremely sharp instruments.

Now it's a saturday nite, and I have a date, so I'm out. Some of you others should probably go find one too from the sounds of it...........and pick up some new blades while you're at it ....[8D] and just go hunting for god's sake.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

Your not seeing the point. See how they are jagged points on there. The serrated parts. It just goes to show you its all perspective. And I guess when i hear dull im thinking of jagged. Hmmm guess it depends on the person.

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

This thread is going to lend credibility to shooting a new broadhead into a block type target just to make sure it flys right.

I'm always amazed at the guys who shoot hunting broadheads into targets even once before hunting with it. Poofit's no longer razor sharp.

Good thread!! Nothing like a little piss and vineger..

RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
 

I shoot every broadhead I plan to hunt with several times to ensure perfect flight - coc only.
But then I resharpen each to sharper then new.
Sharpening used to be part of the process - like any prep to hunt.

Anyone believing a dull broadhead is good enough or better, or who goes hunting with anything less then a sharp broadhead is an idiot - period.

Steve

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If you want to shoot a dull broadhead, just get get the new ATOM broadheads. [8D]

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Check it out guys!!

I just found nissan300ztt's choice of Broadhead... Just might wanna shoot it into the ground a couple of times first...

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I am not even going to attempt to read 8 pages of this one.......I have a pretty good feel reading just page 8.

Listen everything in an animal aside from the bodily fluids is basically elastic. Blood vessels, hide, organs tendons you name it.......if things didn't have elasticity animals in general would snap organs and vessels and everything else inside the first time they jump up and down. :eek:

Dull allows blades to push aside elastic materials.........slide one through a rubber band once and tell me how great it works. Arteries and veins are very much like a rubber band in toughness. They have to be orall mammals woulddie during everyday activities.
Dull equals less trauma, lessened bleeding and potentially uncut vessels and slower death.

Sharp blades cut elastic materials.........equals much more bleeding and trauma not to mention consistently bigger and cleaner entry and exit wounds that do not clot or clog easily. More bleeding, more trauma, quicker death means easier to recover game animals.

This isn't rocket science people, it's simple common sense.
Dull is bad.............and so are drugs, so if anyone out there thinks dull broadhead blades ARE good or on par with razor sharp ones?........stay off those too.[:-]

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Remeber that Broadheads kill by bleeding not shock like a gun, Sharper head = more bleeding which = faster death = more humane kill.

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Seriously who taught you this nonsense? [:-]
That is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of the truth. It's basic first aid for cryin out loud.
Why do you think when you cut your finger on a piece of barbed wire it stops bleeding quickly without much effort........but cut that same finger with a straight razor and so how badly and how long you bleed.

I've been here a LONG time and that statement is one of thesilliest I have ever read.
Look it up, basic first aidand the body's response to lacerations.
Jagged cuts allow things to clot MORE QUICKLY.

Holy cripes.
:eek:

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Matt/PA spake: What is it with you and Rob tonight? Have yall pushed the little red hand on me?:eek:

Didnt you even read page one?

Buckmaster Spake:

edit:forgot thes little guys[8D];):D