An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

I know, I know...if it is legal we shouldn't bash other types of hunting and whatnot.....but then again they shouldn't have sent me a brochure as part of some mass mailing list they bought from the State Dept of Wildlife if they don't want me to complain and whine about it.

Below isthe website if you want to see for yourself but I'll give a brief recap.
www.whitetailbucksllc.com

1000 acres and while it doesn't explicitley say so, I guarantee you it is a high fenced operation. 1000 acres may sound big to some of you thick woods guy back east, but in the realm of Texas ladscape/terrain, that is not very big. 1 mile wide by 1 1/2 mile long or some configuration thereof.

Basically, its 200/day for lodging and 200/day for a required guide and then trophy fees apply.

They state you will see 20-30 trophy animals per day.

130's -150's $3500
160's-190's $10,000
200 and over - fee upon request

Wounded game is paid at full trophy fee

10-15% gratuity is recommended therefore expected

I know this post won't change anything and probably should have left unwritten, but when I read the owner's qoute

"the Grothaus's true sense of fulfillment now lies in having their clients reach their own personal hunting goals",

well....that was too much, I just had to vent a little.

There, I'm done. Flame away

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

i'll probably get flamed too, but personally i agree with you. high fenced operations to me are not the same as hunting unfenced public or private land.

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

I hate seeing anything priced by the inch, I wouldn;t look twice personnaly BUT there are some i.e. anesthesiologists, surgeons, lawyers, with the dough but without the time that enjoy to hunt and can afford to partake in such activities to get out and get a buck, I dont care, I hope they had fun!

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

I'd just as soon buy a steer. Its all livestock anyway. And I agree with you about making Tx look bad. I think those outfits suck.

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

If you don't speak out against it, you're part of the problem;)

Nothing wrong with complaining about high fences;)

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

NOthing wrong in complaining..... just as long as you don't want any friends in Texas.[8D]

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

I'll still be your friend...My wife told me I should get some!:eek::D

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

I agree with everything you said Jackflap!!

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

You can always find an idiot for any high priced "product". I am selling guided hunts here where we have invisible fences. $500 per day for guiding, $500 per day for lodging (I put you up at the local Flea Bag Inn), and $100 per every deer you do not see. Prices for the deer you do see are available upon request. What sets my operation away from the rest is, if you do shoot a deer, I'll sit back and sip a beverage while I ALLOW you to experience the ultimate hunting experience by tracking, field dressing and recovering your own deer! Don't let someone else be the first one in your neighborhood to have this hunt!!!! Call DCH (Dewey Cheecha & Howe) Hunting Fleecing Enterprises Today!:D:D:D

Seriously, there are many places like this all around the country and it's all part of the Supply & Demand system. As long as there are persons of other moral values that want to do this, there will be people who will do it for the almighty buck (the monetary kind, not the 4 legged kind).

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

Ya know, it just dawned on me...all this is is prostitution for deer. The rancher is the Pimp, the deer are the Ho's, the hunters are the John's. Pimp exploits Ho's, gets paid, doesn't feel bad. Pimp's happy, John's happy, Ho is dead. It's like a Kennedy Family outing!

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

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I cant even really watch hunting shows anymore because i know its all filmed on ranches like this. IMO its not hunting or killing, its slaughter.

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

I know what you mean Jack. 1000 acres, and you have enough 180+ deer to actually price them that way? It's got to be not only high fenced but run like an intensely managedFARM.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for management. Age structure and nutrition are things I work on alot, but there is no high fence involved, and no genetics that weren't provided by nature. At the end of the day I am just doing the best I can with what nature gives me.

The bottom line is that there are people in any field, in any walk of life that want to buy success. Whatever it costs. There are others who the true sense of their self worth comes from knowing what they accomplished was on their own. Neither camp everunderstands the motivations ofthe other.

What can I say, it ain't my style.[:@]

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

That was my thought exactly. If they all but guarantee you that you will see between 10-20 trophy deer each day, it makes you wonder what the acre/deer ratio is and what all of this heavily skewed population of mature bucks does to the social order and interaction of the deer within the confines.

My guess is since these deer have all been artificially bred and raised, that they don't interact and behave in any fashion similar to their native counterparts, but just a guess on my part.

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

exactly my thoughts. A nice rack is awesome to get, but to think of all the beef I could buy for that kind of money!

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

going by this scale...

<----- that's a 190+, b/c she costs me an awful lot!

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

"An example of what gives Texas Hunting a bad name..."

1- The Hunters...

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

2- How the Hunters beat the Texas heat...

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

+1

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I hunt for free.

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

As do I! Trophy fees are hands down the most obsurd thing that ive ever hear of. Happy hunting to you all, happy shooting to them...:eek:

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

I agree. Whats the point of paying that much to get a 160+ buck if one you don't have to earn it and 2 if you get it you cann't put it in Pope & Young. It is like the Bucks of Tecomate (think I spelt it right) you always see tons of deer. Besides high fence where else will you see that many deer in one location. at all hours of the day.

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

Ok. Blast away at me, but I have to say I am kinda on the fence here. (Pardon the pun.) I know out west is a whole different ball game, but out here, a thousand acres is a TON of land. I you get a couple hundred unbroken acres to hunt around here, you are doing great. There are many places where there are natual barrier not unlike the fence.

This is nothing I would ever do (nor have the money to do), but I can see as mentioned before that some people don't have the time luxury. Is it that much different than me going to the store to buy a turkey for Thanksgiving? I could grow my own. I have the land and the resources, but they certainly wouldn't be as big and juicy.

I certainly don't think this is hunting (especially when a guide takes you to the deer and probably you are shooting over a bait pile).. I just don't think I would crucify someone for doing it.

RE: An example of what gives Texas hunting a bad reputation,IMO
 

You know what? This Texan doesn't give a damn what you think about it.

I could never afford it anyway, but for the people who can, more power to them.