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Tough Night tonite
Well, we invited our buddy Brian from SC to come help with the herd management and at 6:40 he shot a nice big ol nanny. WE he said I got the guts because she turned as I shot. We let her lay about 40 minutes, but not wanting the meat to spoil we took up the trail. Good blood trail, looks live liver/lung blood. I am thinking he got guts liver and clipped a lung. She runs into the thickest spot of woods you can imagine. We are now a mile away from where the shot took place, can no longer find good blood, and cant see the way out. When I say it was thick, take what most of yall western guys have seen and quadruple it. Briars, canbreak, pine trees, and more briars. We were lost and I just got back. We have given up on the deer and I can tell you the meat is no longer good, or at least I wouldnt trust it. He will be back Monday morning and afternoon to get redemption, and I hope he succeeds, he has tried that is for sure.
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you bring the popcorn i'll bring the beers
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WHY??????WHY???????
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I dont think you guys understand when I say THICK. I could not stand up, I was crawling on my stomach, I lost blood. There is no doing a circle to find the deer, you cant see more than 5 yards in front of you. Trust me, if I knew we would find that deer, I would have kept going. I have lost the biggest buck I ever shot because of a poor hit and we stayed at it for 5 hrs, finding only a few drops of blood that day. WE tracked for 4 hrs, on our hands and knees the whole way, I look like I have been in a knife fight, my eyes feel like they have been gouged out, and my face has been bleeding. We never jumped it up or found puddle just drops until it fizzeled out.
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If he knew he got guts then chances are the deer was going to live quite a few hours, 6+, but it will die. Why take up the trail after only 40 minutes? You knew it was a gut shot, you know gutshots can and many times do live a quite a while, therefore the meat wont be spoiling in 40 minutes because she isnt dead yet!!!!!
You never even gave yourself a chance to find this deer because you pushed her so quickly and now you probably have gauranteed her meat will spoil because she is long gone, suffering, and leaving no blood behind.[:@][:@][:@] |
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ORIGINAL: MNpurple If he knew he got guts then chances are the deer was going to live quite a few hours, 6+, but it will die. Why take up the trail after only 40 minutes? You knew it was a gut shot, you know gutshots can and many times do live a quite a while, therefore the meat wont be spoiling in 40 minutes because she isnt dead yet!!!!! You never even gave yourself a chance to find this deer because you pushed her so quickly and now you probably have gauranteed her meat will spoil because she is long gone, suffering, and leaving no blood behind.[:@][:@][:@] |
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its possible you didnt hit that much of the deer. Its possible you only clipped something. Ive been sure I hit something when i grazed it.. It might live a long time..Dont be so sure you hit it. Even if there are bubbles in the blood you might have not mortally wounded the deer.
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ORIGINAL: Oneshot7 ORIGINAL: MNpurple If he knew he got guts then chances are the deer was going to live quite a few hours, 6+, but it will die. Why take up the trail after only 40 minutes? You knew it was a gut shot, you know gutshots can and many times do live a quite a while, therefore the meat wont be spoiling in 40 minutes because she isnt dead yet!!!!! You never even gave yourself a chance to find this deer because you pushed her so quickly and now you probably have gauranteed her meat will spoil because she is long gone, suffering, and leaving no blood behind.[:@][:@][:@] You're going against everything that you should be following. IF you even SUSPECT gut shot, leave the animal at least 3hrs, preferably 6hrs, then pick up the trail. This thread is a "Sticky" for a reason..... http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2987754, it's a GREAT THREAD!!!! Don't get too excited about that"dark red tint," to the blood, unless it's grainy as well. Dk.red blood could just as easily be GUTrather than LIVER. You come on here saying you had a "Tough Night," and lost adeer, then you don't want to learn fromyour mistakes???? What's your point in posting then???? "MAN UP," and learn a little, rather than sticking yourcovering up your ears and yelling "La,la, la, la...." Good decisions make the difference between a filled tag and a sad, sob story!!!! |
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ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr ORIGINAL: Oneshot7 ORIGINAL: MNpurple If he knew he got guts then chances are the deer was going to live quite a few hours, 6+, but it will die. Why take up the trail after only 40 minutes? You knew it was a gut shot, you know gutshots can and many times do live a quite a while, therefore the meat wont be spoiling in 40 minutes because she isnt dead yet!!!!! You never even gave yourself a chance to find this deer because you pushed her so quickly and now you probably have gauranteed her meat will spoil because she is long gone, suffering, and leaving no blood behind.[:@][:@][:@] You're going against everything that you should be following. IF you even SUSPECT gut shot, leave the animal at least 3hrs, preferably 6hrs, then pick up the trail. This thread is a "Sticky" for a reason..... http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2987754, it's a GREAT THREAD!!!! Don't get too excited about that"dark red tint," to the blood, unless it's grainy as well. Dk.red blood could just as easily be GUTrather than LIVER. You come on here saying you had a "Tough Night," and lost adeer, then you don't want to learn fromyour mistakes???? What's your point in posting then???? "MAN UP," and learn a little, rather than sticking yourcovering up your ears and yelling "La,la, la, la...." Good decisions make the difference between a filled tag and a sad, sob story!!!! |
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ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr ORIGINAL: Oneshot7 ORIGINAL: MNpurple If he knew he got guts then chances are the deer was going to live quite a few hours, 6+, but it will die. Why take up the trail after only 40 minutes? You knew it was a gut shot, you know gutshots can and many times do live a quite a while, therefore the meat wont be spoiling in 40 minutes because she isnt dead yet!!!!! You never even gave yourself a chance to find this deer because you pushed her so quickly and now you probably have gauranteed her meat will spoil because she is long gone, suffering, and leaving no blood behind.[:@][:@][:@] You're going against everything that you should be following. IF you even SUSPECT gut shot, leave the animal at least 3hrs, preferably 6hrs, then pick up the trail. This thread is a "Sticky" for a reason..... http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2987754, it's a GREAT THREAD!!!! Don't get too excited about that"dark red tint," to the blood, unless it's grainy as well. Dk.red blood could just as easily be GUTrather than LIVER. You come on here saying you had a "Tough Night," and lost adeer, then you don't want to learn fromyour mistakes???? What's your point in posting then???? "MAN UP," and learn a little, rather than sticking yourcovering up your ears and yelling "La,la, la, la...." Good decisions make the difference between a filled tag and a sad, sob story!!!! |
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Even if it was a liver shot 40 min. is just not long enough. 2 hrs. is the norm ona liver shot. If you tracked her that long it is obvious you didn't get liver.
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definently went against all the rules on that one! the others beat you up enough...but to learn from your mistakes, you must realize that you did indeed make one.
everything about the scenario screams WAIT. im pretty sure this is your first season bowhunting?? hard to learn to WAIT when in doubt.....we all understand meat can spoil, yotes, wolves etc etc can beat you to the deer....but finding a spoiled DEAD deer is better than jumping and chasing a wounded one and never finding it. you cannot tell me you did not jump the deer...whether or not you know you did or not, YOU DID. a deer wounded even in the guts is almost always going to bed within a couple hundred yards...not well over a mile away. and giving up because its thick and your getting scratched up? thats another pooooor excuse. sorry, but to learn from your mistakes you gotta realize there was a mistake made. i dont care how thick it is...where theres a will, theres a way. and to find downed game, the will should be VERY strong! that would be like me saying "oh the coonhound is treed deep in the briars im not gunna walk in there to get him" (had a dog that would die before he ever left a tree no matter what..if we didnt go in and get him he wasnt leaving) not trying to beat you up....just trying to help you learn. hope you take these posts and realize there were mistakes made and you need to learn from it. im pretty sure dang near everyone makes similar mistakes the first time or 2 around before they wise up...some never wise up...thats the beauty of the internet and particularly forums like these...GREAT way to learn QUICKLY because 10000 other guys likely been there and done that...no matter what it is... good luck in the future....going back out where you lost blood in the morning would be a GREAT thing to do...though she could be a good ways away since you guys were beating brush and spooking her and then were lost and beating more brush.... just the length of the trail should sent ques that maybe it wasnt such a great shot....after 100 or 200yds you should have realized that... people often talk about bubbles in blood...i bet most of them never seen true lung blood....its not bubbles...its FROTHY...hard to describe...but its frothy..think large foamy bubbles...little air bubbles in blood isnt lung blood...by the time most lung shot deer start showing frothy blood, you can see them dead... |
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Hunting in 80+ degree temperatures where the low at night is only in the 60's, I'd say the meat would be spoiled by the time you recovered the animal. even so, its always better on the conscience when you can lay your eyes on the animal and know for sure it died.
I wasn't there and can't say whether you made a poor choice in backing out, butI'm not going to condemn you for it. Bad shots can and do happen. This time of year, unless you can get on the animal, get it dressed and either butchered or in a freezer in a hurry, you're likely to lose it due to spoilage. It happens quick, fellas. Good on ya for doing what you felt was necessary though. Good luck to your buddy on making up for it. |
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Ha ha that sound like 75% of what I hunt in here around in Or. It sucks there hasn't been a good burn in along time in most of the areas. Well controled burns cause the lib, hippies around here. I won't get into that, but all I know is that it sucks. When its that thick. Sorry about the lost deer. Good luck to your friend.
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ORIGINAL: mauser06 definently went against all the rules on that one! the others beat you up enough...but to learn from your mistakes, you must realize that you did indeed make one. Not all the rules. everything about the scenario screams WAIT. im pretty sure this is your first season bowhunting?? Does it.1st season,thats a bold assumption and degrading. hard to learn to WAIT when in doubt.....we all understand meat can spoil, yotes, wolves etc etc can beat you to the deer....but finding a spoiled DEAD deer is better than jumping and chasing a wounded one and never finding it. you cannot tell me you did not jump the deer...whether or not you know you did or not, YOU DID. a deer wounded even in the guts is almost always going to bed within a couple hundred yards...not well over a mile away. How is finding a spoiled dead deer better that trying to recover a deer while you know the meat is still good. and giving up because its thick and your getting scratched up? thats another pooooor excuse. sorry, but to learn from your mistakes you gotta realize there was a mistake made. i dont care how thick it is...where theres a will, theres a way. and to find downed game, the will should be VERY strong! that would be like me saying "oh the coonhound is treed deep in the briars im not gunna walk in there to get him" (had a dog that would die before he ever left a tree no matter what..if we didnt go in and get him he wasnt leaving) I believe he said he lost the blood trail, not he was getting too scratched up. not trying to beat you up....just trying to help you learn. hope you take these posts and realize there were mistakes made and you need to learn from it. im pretty sure dang near everyone makes similar mistakes the first time or 2 around before they wise up...some never wise up...thats the beauty of the internet and particularly forums like these...GREAT way to learn QUICKLY because 10000 other guys likely been there and done that...no matter what it is... good luck in the future....going back out where you lost blood in the morning would be a GREAT thing to do...though she could be a good ways away since you guys were beating brush and spooking her and then were lost and beating more brush.... just the length of the trail should sent ques that maybe it wasnt such a great shot....after 100 or 200yds you should have realized that... people often talk about bubbles in blood...i bet most of them never seen true lung blood....its not bubbles...its FROTHY...hard to describe...but its frothy..think large foamy bubbles...little air bubbles in blood isnt lung blood...by the time most lung shot deer start showing frothy blood, you can see them dead... There are ways to inform/educate without belittling someone and that wasn't it. |
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ORIGINAL: mauser06 definently went against all the rules on that one! the others beat you up enough...but to learn from your mistakes, you must realize that you did indeed make one. everything about the scenario screams WAIT. im pretty sure this is your first season bowhunting?? hard to learn to WAIT when in doubt.....we all understand meat can spoil, yotes, wolves etc etc can beat you to the deer....but finding a spoiled DEAD deer is better than jumping and chasing a wounded one and never finding it. you cannot tell me you did not jump the deer...whether or not you know you did or not, YOU DID. a deer wounded even in the guts is almost always going to bed within a couple hundred yards...not well over a mile away. and giving up because its thick and your getting scratched up? thats another pooooor excuse. sorry, but to learn from your mistakes you gotta realize there was a mistake made. i dont care how thick it is...where theres a will, theres a way. and to find downed game, the will should be VERY strong! that would be like me saying "oh the coonhound is treed deep in the briars im not gunna walk in there to get him" (had a dog that would die before he ever left a tree no matter what..if we didnt go in and get him he wasnt leaving) not trying to beat you up....just trying to help you learn. hope you take these posts and realize there were mistakes made and you need to learn from it. im pretty sure dang near everyone makes similar mistakes the first time or 2 around before they wise up...some never wise up...thats the beauty of the internet and particularly forums like these...GREAT way to learn QUICKLY because 10000 other guys likely been there and done that...no matter what it is... good luck in the future....going back out where you lost blood in the morning would be a GREAT thing to do...though she could be a good ways away since you guys were beating brush and spooking her and then were lost and beating more brush.... just the length of the trail should sent ques that maybe it wasnt such a great shot....after 100 or 200yds you should have realized that... people often talk about bubbles in blood...i bet most of them never seen true lung blood....its not bubbles...its FROTHY...hard to describe...but its frothy..think large foamy bubbles...little air bubbles in blood isnt lung blood...by the time most lung shot deer start showing frothy blood, you can see them dead... The guy messed up bad shot, didn't wait long enough, didn't track all through the night. Maybe he should quit hunting. Never hunt again. Never shoot at a deer that might move. Sorry I'll stop I'm sounding like a Da. |
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Don't ever knock a guy who's about to graduate from the school of hard knocks. Mistakes were made, bad shot, tracking too fast, heck, he may of been using an ATOM broadhead. But he tried. Learning will be aquired from this.
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ORIGINAL: Oneshot7 Well, we invited our buddy Brian from SC...about 40 minutes, but not wanting the meat to spoil we took up the trail. ORIGINAL: Brian/SC Considering the temp, Iwould have given her an hour or two max,takenupthe trail, andfielddressed her asap. Sounds like a judgement call. JMO  Brian |
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ORIGINAL: TEmbry ORIGINAL: Oneshot7 Well, we invited our buddy Brian from SC...about 40 minutes, but not wanting the meat to spoil we took up the trail. ORIGINAL: Brian/SC Considering the temp, Iwould have given her an hour or two max,takenupthe trail, andfielddressed her asap. Sounds like a judgement call. JMO Brian
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Some of you guys that don't have to deal with the temperatures that we have here in the south just don't get it. Several years ago I shot a big doe in the evening, I saw the arrow hit perfect right behind the shoulder. When I got down and looked at the arrow there was gut matter on it. Having had this happen to me before I knew what had happened, the broadhead entered between the ribs and glanced off one and exited low out of the guts. I didn't even attempt the blood trail, just left and went home. I called a friend with a dog and he was having some problems with something else and he talked me into waiting until morning, so I did. I came back the next morning earlyand found her about 200 yards from the shot. I took her home cleaned her and we attempted to use the meat, but it was rancid and we couldn't eat it. In this kind of weather you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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ORIGINAL: TEmbry ORIGINAL: Oneshot7 Well, we invited our buddy Brian from SC...about 40 minutes, but not wanting the meat to spoil we took up the trail. ORIGINAL: Brian/SC Considering the temp, Iwould have given her an hour or two max,takenupthe trail, andfielddressed her asap. Sounds like a judgement call. JMO Brian
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ORIGINAL: mauser06 definently went against all the rules on that one! the others beat you up enough...but to learn from your mistakes, you must realize that you did indeed make one. everything about the scenario screams WAIT. im pretty sure this is your first season bowhunting?? That is harsh man, try my fifth :eek: hard to learn to WAIT when in doubt.....we all understand meat can spoil, yotes, wolves etc etc can beat you to the deer....but finding a spoiled DEAD deer is better than jumping and chasing a wounded one and never finding it. you cannot tell me you did not jump the deer...whether or not you know you did or not, YOU DID. a deer wounded even in the guts is almost always going to bed within a couple hundred yards...not well over a mile away. and giving up because its thick and your getting scratched up? thats another pooooor excuse. sorry, but to learn from your mistakes you gotta realize there was a mistake made. i dont care how thick it is...where theres a will, theres a way. and to find downed game, the will should be VERY strong! that would be like me saying "oh the coonhound is treed deep in the briars im not gunna walk in there to get him" (had a dog that would die before he ever left a tree no matter what..if we didnt go in and get him he wasnt leaving) Ill put you in these briars and lets see how much you can move, the past two nights I have been stuck in the same general area for over an hour trying to figure out which way I should go, then I have to call for help to get out, keep in mind this is my land that I know like the back of my hand. not trying to beat you up....just trying to help you learn. hope you take these posts and realize there were mistakes made and you need to learn from it. im pretty sure dang near everyone makes similar mistakes the first time or 2 around before they wise up...some never wise up...thats the beauty of the internet and particularly forums like these...GREAT way to learn QUICKLY because 10000 other guys likely been there and done that...no matter what it is... good luck in the future....going back out where you lost blood in the morning would be a GREAT thing to do...though she could be a good ways away since you guys were beating brush and spooking her and then were lost and beating more brush.... just the length of the trail should sent ques that maybe it wasnt such a great shot....after 100 or 200yds you should have realized that... people often talk about bubbles in blood...i bet most of them never seen true lung blood....its not bubbles...its FROTHY...hard to describe...but its frothy..think large foamy bubbles...little air bubbles in blood isnt lung blood...by the time most lung shot deer start showing frothy blood, you can see them dead... Once again, I know what lung blood looks like, I just followed it two nights ago. Thanks for some good words, but I did not shoot the deer. I left it up to his judgement call and if he says he wants deer meat reguardless of spoiling then I go. |
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Don't ever show a flaw in hunting judgement is the real solution. But.. the tracking started to quickly I know the cat briar jungle thickets well and it is the toughest going out there. It's hard walking or crawling never mind looking for sign.
I really know first hand from last season. I put a disabled Pal in one of my sweet stands and he hit a doe. He said he thought he got liver but the penetration could have been ALOT better. Dispite my urging he started dogging that nanny like a hound after an hour or so. We kicked her out of her death bed a few hundred yards later and she was never seen again. Clotted up with zero blood. It all equals a dead deer never found. Live and Learn is all you can do..  |
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"WE he said I got the guts because she turned as I shot."
I remember waiting about 8 hours to track a liver/gut shot buck last year...backed out slowly and found the buck within 45 yards of where I shot him. YOU HAVE to backout and wait/be patient when bowhunting! |
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sorry for some reason i thought read that it was your first season with a bow this year...but i didnt think it was till i read that....dont take that personal...i could sworn i read you post it was your first bowseason...either way, it sounds like you guys are still learning to bloodtrail...
either way stuff happens....gotta learn from it or you'll never become a better, more educated hunter. thats what we all strive for. or should. heat or not you were uncertain of the hit and admitted in the post a few times that you thought you had guts. then jumped back and forth to guts to lung and liver. you didnt know, i dont know, noone knows. best thing to do? wait a half hour or so in the stand...sneak down, retrieve the arrow if possible or look around the point of impact to try to decide what kind of hit was made...if you cant decide, wait a bit longer. a dead deer isnt going anywhere... i understand its warm out and it can spoil....but, thats part of hunting in the heat. no way around it. pushing a poorly shot deer just doesnt help no matter what. all it will do is cause you to loose the trail then you loose the animal forever and it dies a death in a nasty briar thicket where noone will ever see it again. on the other hand, you wait, maybe it spoils...maybe it dont. meat cant spoil till the animal dies...remember that. but either way, you found the deer and can learn from it and get the antlers etc if it was a buck....much better option than pushing a poorly/unknown shot animal. im not blood trailing expert....but really im not giving advice other than wait when your uncertaint. its a hard rule to learn. im lucky, i havent lost a deer to not waiting yet, but know many guys that have. gotta learn from your own mistakes, but when you can learn from OTHERS, well, thats awesome because that means you dont have to make that mistake! good luck the rest of the season! |
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Hunting in 80+ degree temperatures where the low at night is only in the 60's, I'd say the meat would be spoiled by the time you recovered the animal. even so, its always better on the conscience when you can lay your eyes on the animal and know for sure it died. I'd like to hear from someone knowledgeable about spoiling meat....and maybe learn something constructive from this post. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Hunting in 80+ degree temperatures where the low at night is only in the 60's, I'd say the meat would be spoiled by the time you recovered the animal. even so, its always better on the conscience when you can lay your eyes on the animal and know for sure it died. I'd like to hear from someone knowledgeable about spoiling meat....and maybe learn something constructive from this post. It can be done, trust me! Another prime example Is when were bear hunting. Allot of times the temps are 80 some degree's during the day and 60 and 70 degree's at night and we've let many bear go till the next morning before tracking being we were unsure of the shot placement. Bear have 100 times the fat of a deer, there hides are insulators and we've never lost a bear due to It being to warm. We've lost bear meat due to carelessness and not getting It quartered and skinned out when we should of. Next time let It go over night, It will be fine. Good luck on the next blood trail!! |
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