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RE: "Broadhead Tuning" - legit method or a crutch?

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ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer

As far as I'm concerned, paper tuning can untune a bow. To acheive a bullet hole, you possibly might be untuning a bow to everyone but you. You might be torquing the bow and untune the bow to that and when someone properly shoots the bow, it's untuned.

I think it's more important to properly tune a bow and then see if paper shooting shows the shooter is untuned and then work on the shooter. I learned this the hard way too many years ago. Back in the early 90's I had a Jennings Carbon Extreme XLR. To acheive bullet holes the rest was so far out away from the riser that we would run out of adjustment with the sights. I could acheive bullet holes but would you say this bow was tuned? Hell no, maybe for me but it was improper because my form was improper. We worked on my form and the rest came back in to center.

Today, I laser center, then level and rarely does the rest have to be moved again for broadheads. Most if not all after checking everything else, all our broadheads are grouping with our field points. I say "our" cause I've worked on a pile of bows and I'd call them "supertuned" according to the feedback I'm getting at Poorguy's Archery. ;) :D

X2 on the laser. What a gem of a tool. I missed having that when I was walkback tuning. Even if it isn't considered a proper tuning tool by some, it certainly gets you in a great starting point even if you want to still walkback tune.

RE: "Broadhead Tuning" - legit method or a crutch?

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ORIGINAL: RobinAim Low

I am going out right now to put the finishing touches on a new bow I got last week...I'll let you know how it goes. I am thinking it will be 5 shots or less for bh's to be fp's at 30 yards...but we'll find out.

Nope, didn't even get to the finishing touches. Found out I was getting vane contact with my rest. First time with a Trophy Taker, and no matter what I try, still have contact. It is just not getting out of the way quick enough. Gotta solve that before I can get to the bh tuning, obviously.

RE: "Broadhead Tuning" - legit method or a crutch?

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I don't necessarily disagree with this but it assumes that the arrow is spined (dynamically) perfectly for that exact centershot. You can do that by either making adjustments on the arrow (tip weight, length, rear weight, combo's, etc.) or by adjusting the DW. Everyone butseems to have to shoot maximum DW and I never see them talk about making adjustments on arrows (not you Rob/PA Bowyer the majority of others) so saying laser and level is all that is needed can be misleading to those that don't adjust for dynamic spine.

RE: "Broadhead Tuning" - legit method or a crutch?

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What I've found is that if one has to move his/her rest way out of centershot to get broadheads and field points to group, something else other than the rest is out of whack. Bring that rest back to centershot and figure out what's really going on.;)

Bingo.

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IMO...Paper tuned for a repeatable bullet tearIS tuned.

I don't even use this process, anymore.

RE: "Broadhead Tuning" - legit method or a crutch?

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ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Bingo.

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IMO...Paper tuned for a repeatable bullet tearIS tuned.

I don't even use this process, anymore.

You may not, but, that doesn't make it an invalid process. Someone that knows how to do it can get a bow and arrow just as tuned as someone that uses other methods.

RE: "Broadhead Tuning" - legit method or a crutch?

I haven't paper tuned a bow in years, except for youth bows.

I eyeball everything (gotta get me a lazer), then walkback and group tune. When fall gets close I BH tune and normally very LITTLE is needed here.

Paper tuning has variables, such as the shooter, my wife had a bow that she had a heck of a time gettinga decent tear, another shooter, same bow, bullet hole everytime. I re-tied the peep sight and suddenly it paper tuned for her and BH shot great.

Many things can cause issues, its like a puzzle without having a picture to work from!

RE: "Broadhead Tuning" - legit method or a crutch?

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ORIGINAL: Bob H in NH

I haven't paper tuned a bow in years, except for youth bows.

I eyeball everything (gotta get me a lazer), then walkback and group tune. When fall gets close I BH tune and normally very LITTLE is needed here.

Paper tuning has variables, such as the shooter, my wife had a bow that she had a heck of a time gettinga decent tear, another shooter, same bow, bullet hole everytime. I re-tied the peep sight and suddenly it paper tuned for her and BH shot great.

Many things can cause issues, its like a puzzle without having a picture to work from!

Those same variables affect every other tuning method also ;):D.

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You may not, but, that doesn't make it an invalid process.

I never said it was an invalid process. I said I don't do it. I find it "unnecessary". I'm MUCH more interested in my arrow's flight characteristics at 40 yds than I am the hole it tears in paper at the distances "most" paper tune their bows from.

RE: "Broadhead Tuning" - legit method or a crutch?

Rob, your points about paper tuning are valid. My point was, if all methods are used correctly and in conjuction with each other, the finished product would be a finely tuned bow that shoots bh's and fp's as accurate as possible considering the archer's ability. Conversely, I don't believe one can choosea single methodand use it exclusivelyand be sure they have a tuned bow. It's alla system of checks and balances.

Bruce, good point on spine. I ASSUMED, but didn't state, that one should be using a properly spined arrow to begin with. I use OT2 as a starting point to get close.

RE: "Broadhead Tuning" - legit method or a crutch?

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ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter

Disclaimer: I'm not a "Supertuner" or a "Guru", just a guy who is striving for perfection in my equipment. Please read and feel free to comment.

There is a sticky on AT about"Broadhead Tuning" in the bowhunting forum that gets alot of attention.Check it outif you wish to learn all the details, but this is it in a nutshell: you move your rest and nock until the POIof bothbroadheads and fieldpoints is the same and you then have yourself a finely tuned hunting bow. The author says this method replaces "Walkback" and "Paper Tuning".............
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THIS is not true!!!!!!!!

Here's the link for those who wish to read it. http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=539460 It's been viewed nearly 27,000 times, and it a very good synopsis for a beginner to use to try to get BH's and FP's shooting together. I've referred many people to it, including some here.

Sooner, I highly recommend that thread, but I only recommend someone use it after they've set their bow up, adjusted nock point to near level, and walk-back tuned their bow. It's exactly how I tweak my stuff, and I have 3 bows sticking FP's and BH's real close out to 40yds, 2 of them and 48yds. the third. I also recommend doing this even for a guy intending on shooting Mechanicals, because after doing it, it helps get your bow FINE-tuned.

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ORIGINAL: im-ocd

IMO...Paper tuned for a repeatable bullet tearIS tuned.
If selected broadheads don't fly same POI as field points from a paper tuned bow, try different heads.

Not exactly, read what Robin wrote. I won't even put an arrow through a paper tuner. I can through a set-up together, eyeball stuff, and go shoot it and be close, then do a walkback to set the center-rest, and through the BH's on to fine tune. If I have 3 different BH's that will shoot right with my FP's, there's no reason to think I need to tune any further. Trying different heads ain't he solution, a different more effective tuning method IS.