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kickin_buck 09-14-2008 12:06 PM
Settle a bet
 
I got a picture of what I believe to be a very good 1 1/2 year old. I think he will be a great deer in 2 year, and a beast in 3 years. However, my buddy seems to think he is 2 1/2 year old and would go between 115" and 120". I think he is drunk. I think he is a 1 1/2 and will go between 85"-100". Take a look and settle this bet for us. Here is three pictures to give a good look. Thanks,

jmbuckhunter 09-14-2008 12:18 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
I am thinking he is 2 1/2. I bet in a month or 2 he will put on some weight and a little swell in his neck and look totally different.

If he is only 1 1/2 he is a stud for sure.

solocamcan 09-14-2008 12:31 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
2 1/2 99.5% sure. His 1st year would be button buck....I doubt he'd grow 85-100" in one year, but I am not a deer Biologist, so who knows.

bscofield 09-14-2008 12:36 PM
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I agree with you KB.

goherd1111 09-14-2008 12:43 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
I would definitely say he is 2.5 years old. Will prob. score around 100 inches.

gbrownlee 09-14-2008 12:45 PM
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Probably 2.5 but he will only score about 90-100 inches.

RDHunter 09-14-2008 12:46 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
I hate to be a party pooper or to burst's one's bubble ... BUT that 2 1/2 year oldbuck wouldn't score even a 100.
I shot one like that many years ago and it only scored 96 something , wasn't worth mounting so I now use the antlers for rattling.
I don't mean to be so negative , it's just my honest opinion.

Vito1 09-14-2008 12:55 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
ORIGINAL: gbrownlee

Probably 2.5 but he will only score about 90-100 inches.
+1

TJF 09-14-2008 01:14 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
1.5 years old that goes 90 - 92. Got toremember he is still in velvet. He willscore under 90 once the velvet is gone.No way he is 2.5 unless you live out in the east coast which I don't think you do. Helps to throw inwhat state your from to give us a better idea since region does play a big part on the size of deer both in body and rack.

Tim

twildasin 09-14-2008 01:19 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
I say 2.5 yrs old and 90"

mohunter82 09-14-2008 01:50 PM
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yea he is a 2.5 but he will be lucky to get to 95"

320fpsmathews 09-14-2008 08:54 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
don't look at the antlers or body for age!! both can be affected for good or bad by drought,flood,deer population density or any one of many factors.judge deer age the same way you judge people age, by the face!! this deer is definitely 2 1/2 or older! looking at the third photo with the straight on face shot,I see a very dark face and nose bridge area as well as a gaunt thin look,NOT a young deer!maybe i'm goofy,but that's how i judge 'em. if he looks like an old man........

oakcreek 09-14-2008 08:59 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
I'd say 2 1/2 also and under 100"

LSUBOWHUNTER 09-14-2008 09:09 PM
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1 1/2 YR OLD I WOULD SAY

bloodcrick 09-14-2008 09:29 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
Tough call, he is either a really good 1.5 as you said or possably a 2.5 as he said. Im giving him around 95"......he said between 115 and 120"" yep he has been drinking :D

rjdumas 09-14-2008 10:42 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
I'm saying who really knows??? Give him 2 more years and see. ha ha then he'd be ether 3.5 or 4.5 nether of you can prove it so why fight about it?

All I know is if I see that around my area and a blacktail he's dead. ha

MarquetteMagnum 09-15-2008 02:35 AM
RE: Settle a bet
 
what part of the country is that deer from

rybohunter 09-15-2008 05:19 AM
RE: Settle a bet
 
I put him at 85”. He certainly won’t break 90”.

As for his age, these type of bucks are tough in my area.(PA) I believe an early born buck at 1.5 could hit this size. BUT again I think a late born buck that may only be a small spike/forkie his first year could also only be this big as a 2.5 yr old.
Location would help, but its certainly not a shooter in most circles regardless of age.

wis_bow_huntr 09-15-2008 05:21 AM
RE: Settle a bet
 
No way hes 1.5 no yearling has a rack like that. Im saying 2.5 - 3.5.

Oneshot7 09-15-2008 05:27 AM
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I would say a 2.5 [8D]

kickin_buck 09-15-2008 08:58 AM
RE: Settle a bet
 
This deer is from one of my sothern Illinois farms, which has some unreal tanks running around on it. Neither me or my buddy will shoot this deer, so as long as he sticks around our farm his is safe. I guess the only way we will know his true age is if we are lucky enough to kill him ina few years. I still think he is a great 1 1/2 and I am looking forward to watching his growth over the next few years.

Rob/PA Bowyer 09-15-2008 10:15 AM
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kb, I have to disagree with you as well on the age. I guesstimate him at 2.5 years old with the majority.

He is much too developed in the chest this time of year to be in his first year. Forget the antlers, forget the neck, look at his chest and and stomach. If he is truly a 1.5 year old, he's born early and feed very, very well over the summer. I think if you see him come late fall you may change your thoughts on his age.

I agree with giving him a few seasons, either age today, he's going to grow a real set and be a hoss of a deer.

Ben / PA 09-15-2008 10:22 AM
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I didn't break out the calculator, but when I first looked, i said 2.5 (without a doubt) and 102" tops. He is a 125 next year and a real tank the year after.

Vito1 09-15-2008 10:55 AM
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So who won the bet?

John Deer 09-15-2008 12:53 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
I'd say 2.5 years old.

fingerz42 09-15-2008 01:29 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
Definitelya 2.5... but your friend who says he would go 120" needs either A) a lesson in how to score a deer, or B) to stop smoking so much purple.

He's about 90-95".

*Edit-- Also, remember this is late summer so the deer will look quite a bit skinnier than he does in a full coat. Maybe this is why you think he is a 1.5 yr old. Either way, look at his stomach and chest and how developed they are--For this time in the summer a 1.5 will look like a doe with horns. Skinny and lanky.

kickin_buck 09-15-2008 01:52 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
The major disagreement was over the age. I knew his score was way off. Seeing as most everyone on here says 2.5, I guess I owe him a case busch light. I just hope he lets me drink it with him.

badassbowtech 09-15-2008 03:48 PM
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No I think that's a year and a half old buck. And no way is that buck 115-120. Not on any scale I've seen. You win, tell your buddy to pay up.:)

SteveBNy 09-15-2008 03:59 PM
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Resize the pic please.

blakefrautschi 09-15-2008 04:08 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
2.5yrs 85"

dukemichaels 09-15-2008 04:25 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
1.5 years old that goes 90 - 92. Got to remember he is still in velvet. He will score under 90 once the velvet is gone. No way he is 2.5 unless you live out in the east coast which I don't think you do. Helps to throw in what state your from to give us a better idea since region does play a big part on the size of deer both in body and rack.

Tim
I'm with Tim.

That's a 1.5 yr old whitetail. His illusion is in his angle.. where he seems to have a larger chest than behind.. but thats just angle.

His elongated head.. neck considerably smaller than his chest cavity.. are all signs of a 1.5 yr. old.

A 2.5 yr. old will have a much shorter nose.. deeper neck going into the belly.

I got your back Tim.. and easy Illinois 1.5 yr. old. Not a doubt.

Schultzy 09-15-2008 05:38 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
The major disagreement was over the age. I knew his score was way off. Seeing as most everyone on here says 2.5, I guess I owe him a case busch light. I just hope he lets me drink it with him.
Lmao!! I don't mind losing If I can help drink the beer, Its not so bad then!:D My opinion on It Is that Its a 2.5 year old, too much bone growth to me for a 1.5 year old deer any where In the USA. The only thing that would make me think he's a 1.5 year old is his very long looking legs meaning he has no body mass at all. Score wise I think he's a 95" to 100" buck. Great buck either way regardless If he's a 1.5 or 2.5.

DoePeeSteve 09-15-2008 06:00 PM
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I don't pretend to know this game well, but I do know you need to fix your camera settings. It's day time and it looks like a spot light is being shinned on the buck. Could be my buddy's screen, but I doubt it.

I'd say 2.5 due to thickness of rib cage and head, but like I said... I don't claim to know what I'm talking about.

BuschLight... at least you didn't lose to an expensive beer.

sandilands 09-15-2008 06:54 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
ORIGINAL: kickin_buck

The major disagreement was over the age. I knew his score was way off. Seeing as most everyone on here says 2.5, I guess I owe him a case busch light. I just hope he lets me drink it with him.

In my eye's you have to split the cost. He was right sayin 2.5yrs old...... but wrong sayin 120". You were wrong saying 1.5...(what were you thinkin)..... but right when you said 85-95.

Personally I for one would love to hunt land where a 1.5 yr old would be that big.;)

HNI_Christine 09-15-2008 07:03 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
Hmmm. That deer looks like a nice 1.5 year old to me. [:-]

It'son the small sideif it's 2.5. He'd be lucky to get into the 90's.

kickin_buck 09-15-2008 07:12 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
ORIGINAL: DoePeeSteve

I don't pretend to know this game well, but I do know you need to fix your camera settings. It's day time and it looks like a spot light is being shinned on the buck. Could be my buddy's screen, but I doubt it.

I'd say 2.5 due to thickness of rib cage and head, but like I said... I don't claim to know what I'm talking about.

BuschLight... at least you didn't lose to an expensive beer.
First things first...Busch Light is the best beer money can buy. Second, the beer has already been paid for and nothing is left but an empty case. I still think this is a great looking 1 1/2. His legs are too long and skinny, his face and neck are too long and skinny. I don't think this deer would field dress much over 120#, all thing point to this being a great 1 1/2. This farm has super tanks all over it. We have been managing the bucks being taken off of it (240 acres) for 5 years now, the neighbors (550 acres) have been managing their ground for over 10 years. Not to mention the other farms that surrond this farm on the west are not hunted, so there are only four guys hunting over 1 square mile. These deer get to grow old and big and I think this guy is a product of our work. I guess we will see in 3-4 years.

sandilands 09-15-2008 07:26 PM
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I hope he stays in that sq mile[X(]
Deer around here will trvel 5 mile during the rut........ or more.

Schultzy 09-15-2008 08:03 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
ORIGINAL: kickin_buck

ORIGINAL: DoePeeSteve

I don't pretend to know this game well, but I do know you need to fix your camera settings. It's day time and it looks like a spot light is being shinned on the buck. Could be my buddy's screen, but I doubt it.

I'd say 2.5 due to thickness of rib cage and head, but like I said... I don't claim to know what I'm talking about.

BuschLight... at least you didn't lose to an expensive beer.
First things first...Busch Light is the best beer money can buy. Second, the beer has already been paid for and nothing is left but an empty case. I still think this is a great looking 1 1/2. His legs are too long and skinny, his face and neck are too long and skinny. I don't think this deer would field dress much over 120#, all thing point to this being a great 1 1/2. This farm has super tanks all over it. We have been managing the bucks being taken off of it (240 acres) for 5 years now, the neighbors (550 acres) have been managing their ground for over 10 years. Not to mention the other farms that surrond this farm on the west are not hunted, so there are only four guys hunting over 1 square mile. These deer get to grow old and big and I think this guy is a product of our work. I guess we will see in 3-4 years.
If that's the case which It could very well be then you've got yourself some great genetics!!

Hmmm. That deer looks like a nice 1.5 year old to me.

It's on the small side if it's 2.5. He'd be lucky to get into the 90's.
That's not that bad for a 2.5 If that's what he Is.

TJF 09-15-2008 11:01 PM
RE: Settle a bet
 
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels

1.5 years old that goes 90 - 92. Got to remember he is still in velvet. He will score under 90 once the velvet is gone. No way he is 2.5 unless you live out in the east coast which I don't think you do. Helps to throw in what state your from to give us a better idea since region does play a big part on the size of deer both in body and rack.

Tim
I'm with Tim.

That's a 1.5 yr old whitetail. His illusion is in his angle.. where he seems to have a larger chest than behind.. but thats just angle.

His elongated head.. neck considerably smaller than his chest cavity.. are all signs of a 1.5 yr. old.

A 2.5 yr. old will have a much shorter nose.. deeper neck going into the belly.

I got your back Tim.. and easy Illinois 1.5 yr. old. Not a doubt.

Yep good definition of a 2.5 year old...



giraffe neck 1.5 year old;)



Tim


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