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Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
I attended a mandatory bowhunting certification course today in order to get my archery licence. The class was 9 hours long, yes, 9 hours. Out of the fifty people in attendance, No more than two or three have the ability to kill a deer over fifteen yards. Everyone passed.
We spent a total of a half-hour outside going over shooting, tracking, and distance estimating. That makes ten minutes for each. In the shooting, only one person other than I shot a group of less than 15 inches at 15 yards, and everyone passed. A handful of people did not even hit the two foot by two foot bag with three shots. Three hours were spent talking about tree-stand safety, two hours spent discussing ethics, one hour about broadheads and why mechanicals were unethical, and the rest of the time repeating what was already talked about and some miscellaneous information. Shot placement and how to actually shoot a bow consisted of no more than 20 minutes total. I guess I am just pissed that it was a complete waste of my time, and that there are a ****load of people who passed that are going to go out in a few weeks and wound a ****load of deer. I have spent probably 9 hours online researching and on this forum, and have learned a hundred times more in that time than I did today. Sorry for the rant, I just had to tell someone. |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
Sounds to me like it's an issue with the instructor, not the NBEF itself. We need to choose our words properly.
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RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
I think some of these courses are a joke as well.You should watch the videos to get you orange card here in KY.
I have a set of them personally and am almost ashamed to show them to my son because they are a waist of time.(I know an instructor personally) My daughter took that test at 8 years of age and passed with a 100%.;) |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
If your instructor actually taught you that mechanicals are unethical.....he's a hack.
Careful passing judgement on others' shooting abilities. It's a long season. Good luck. |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
Three Instructors. One shot a recurve, one shot a longbow, and one shot a compound. All were very knowledgeable and had strong ethics. I dont know what the hell went wrong.
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RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT If your instructor actually taught you that mechanicals are unethical.....he's a hack. Careful passing judgement on others' shooting abilities. It's a long season. Good luck. |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
the coarses are not usually based on your ability but general knowledge about safety and ethics.the gun coarse is the same way they don't have you shoot at targets and get a certain score to pass
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RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
ORIGINAL: shrewbeer I attended a mandatory bowhunting certification course.......... In the shooting, only one person other than I shot a group of less than 15 inches at 15 yards, and everyone passed. A handful of people did not even hit the two foot by two foot bag with three shots. Three hours were spent talking about tree-stand safety, two hours spent discussing ethics, one hour about broadheads and why mechanicals were unethical, and the rest of the time repeating what was already talked about and some miscellaneous information. Shot placement and how to actually shoot a bow consisted of no more than 20 minutes total. I guess I am just pissed that it was a complete waste of my time, and that there are a ****load of people who passed that are going to go out in a few weeks and wound a ****load of deer. I have spent probably 9 hours online researching and on this forum, and have learned a hundred times more in that time than I did today. Sorry for the rant, I just had to tell someone. IMHO, for a NEW BOWHUNTER, the course would be beneficial. For a seasoned veteran, who has quite a few years under his belt, and understands bowhunting pretty well, it may not be quite as beneficial. I haven't taken the full course, but I completed and on-line test, and it wasn't bad. |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
ORIGINAL: shrewbeer I attended a mandatory bowhunting certification course today in order to get my archery licence. The class was 9 hours long, yes, 9 hours. Out of the fifty people in attendance, No more than two or three have the ability to kill a deer over fifteen yards. Everyone passed. We spent a total of a half-hour outside going over shooting, tracking, and distance estimating. That makes ten minutes for each. In the shooting, only one person other than I shot a group of less than 15 inches at 15 yards, and everyone passed. A handful of people did not even hit the two foot by two foot bag with three shots. Three hours were spent talking about tree-stand safety, two hours spent discussing ethics, one hour about broadheads and why mechanicals were unethical, and the rest of the time repeating what was already talked about and some miscellaneous information. Shot placement and how to actually shoot a bow consisted of no more than 20 minutes total. I guess I am just pissed that it was a complete waste of my time, and that there are a ****load of people who passed that are going to go out in a few weeks and wound a ****load of deer. I have spent probably 9 hours online researching and on this forum, and have learned a hundred times more in that time than I did today. Sorry for the rant, I just had to tell someone. |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
I took the NBEF certification course to fufill the requirements of getting a nonresident bowhunting permit for New York. The instructors were traditionalists. Nothing wrong with that, other than they're knowledge base about modern equipment dates back to about 1989 or so. And 20yrs ago, probably 99% of the available mech broadheads probably were crap.
They did the old buckskin penetration test to prove how poorly mechs penetrate. I really, really wished I had a Snyper or Tekan in my quiver. That would of skewed the results just a little.:D A shooting skills proficiency is NOT part of the course. In fact, my group didn't even shoot. I'm hesistant to be too critical of my instructors, however.They'rethe ones who sacrificed their free time and did the work to put the course together. I'm sure all members in my group gave our instructors plenty of constructive criticism in the course evaluations. |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
I don't want to discount your negative experience, but kind of sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder. Were you upset about having to be there before the class? I think the information needs to be presented then the individuals have to make the effort to improve, make the right choices, continue learning new techniques. I mean laws and requirements are great and all, but its the people that must take the responsibility to act in the right manner. If your upset about the system, get involved, get a bow hunter educator certification and make a difference. The people are the ones who run our country, not the laws and regulations. I took a bow hunter certification class in Wisconsin, and yes it was lame, but I also learned a lot and really questioned what I thought I knew. I thought it was worthwhile in the end. Once again, I don't mean to justify the poor bow hunter education, but just posing some thoughts to ponder.
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RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
ORIGINAL: Sylvan Wow, you present a very good argument for the elimination of bow hunting. This is the kind of thing PETA has been sayig for a long time. I am not as upset as I was about it last night, I probably should have slept on it before posting, but it is still irritating that so little information was given over 9 hours, especially for the new hunters. |
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I took my IBEP course 2 months ago in the UK , i needed it to hunt in Colorado . We had a selection of different types of bowhunters to teach us , Compound and traditional and all experienced . I found the course educational for a first time bowhunter , it covered most things i new about and also stuff i did not know about . The course is their to cover the obvious things aswell as the more indepth subjects such as blood trailing , tree stand safety , shot placement , Game preparation and such . Not everybody knows everything , so it is their to help you along .... educate . If all on the course learn't something form the Day , then its worth taking .
It will definately make my hunt more interesting . |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
i took my test way back in 1979 (inNJ)and all you had to do was hit a paper plate at 10 yds 3 times ,that was easy ,and they gave you the answers to the written exam so everyone passed then too , there were only about 10 people in the class ,now that i look back on it i did get some very useful information but i think these "tests" could be made a little tougher to weed out people who aren't real serious about it.
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RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
That is why I don't agree with them, no way to make it apply to everyone. Lets say I took it and failed because I couldn't judge distance well. Umm, I use a range finder and don't shoot more than 25 yards, because I know I suck at judging yardage. 15 yards wouldn't be a problem though.
And then the slob hunters will just do what they want once they get in the woods anyway. Paul |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
Shouldn't a person already have their shooting skills fine tuned BEFORE they attempt to get their certification? I didn't think you got involved in this course to learn how to shoot. Isn't it more law, ethics, information oriented?
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RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
Taking a course in either firearms or archery does not make you proficient. Practice and the actual handling of the weapon is what does it. My kids both passed the MA LTC course @ 12 and 14 but I wouldn't send them off with a handgun.
The course is only intended to set a foundation. You have to build the skills. |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
ORIGINAL: early in Shouldn't a person already have their shooting skills fine tuned BEFORE they attempt to get their certification? I didn't think you got involved in this course to learn how to shoot. Isn't it more law, ethics, information oriented? I do, however, think there should be some sort of proficiency to qualify for a tag. |
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I took the class more years ago then I can remember more on a just because or just in case because PA does not require it. I knew in my future that I would hunt other states that possibly do. That said.
I did find it simplified however if you keep an open mind even a seasoned hunter can learn something. Not unlike these forums. My class was also taught by traditional hunters and yes they were opinionated about modern equipment. Like a question, "How many of you know the weight of your arrow?". I was the only one of 20 guys that raised his hand and when I mentioned (at the time) my arrows weighed 368 grains, they were appauled and berated me and claimed NO ONE should shoot an arrow under 450 grains but I retaliated with, "that may be true out of your stick bow but my arrows travel 275 fps and I've passed through every animal I shot with it"....they changed the subject. Again, it was simplified but keep and open mind and you still might pick up some valuable information. Or perhaps teach the instructor something. ;) |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
I touched a longbow for the first time during my IBEC. Keep an open mind. Ya never know.;)
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RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
I once heard, if you don't like the way something is being done, get involved. I always thought that working with the NBEF would be a great time. Keep in mind, these classes are designed for the beginnner, but if you noticed, treestand safety was discussed in length...so if that saves on person from falling and getting injured or killed, it was beneficial.
I have to agree that the issue is with the instructors making an opinion on something...just because choose to shot expandables, doesn't make it unethical..however in some states it is illegal. |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
The bowhunter course is designed to teach safety, tracking and hunting skills, not how to shoot. I compare it to a first time driver going for his driving test. Many can ace the written and driving test, but it sure doesn't make they an experienced driver.[/align] |
RE: Bowhunting Certification course a JOKE.
The instructor i had for my test was awful as well. We sat around, he told hunting stories, he went over the test, question by question, then we took the test and were gone. Did all of this in about and hour and we were out of there...[&:]
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