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Get a load of this guy! And I quote from Wisconsin News Magazine-

I would like to congratulate Tom Coon on his buck. He killed it with a " real" bow- a recurve. I' m congratulating Tom because it gets alittle frustrating seeing so many big bucks being killed by socalled " bow" hunters. There should be a qualification to their kill and that is that they used a compound bow, which is closer to a shotgun and slugs than it is to a recurve or long bow.

I have nothing against bow hunting, but the season length was initally designed for the recurve and long bow. The compound should be limited, just as the rifle is limited. It is too effective of a weapon to go under the guise of a " bow." Give compound users a season until about Oct. 25- then it is anterless until the rifle season or after the rifle season.

The guys name is Michael Cole of Wisconsin Rapids

I have a suggestion for Mr. Cole, if the recurve and long bow are not very effective, maybe we should outlaw them, arent we suppose to take every available means to harvest an animal quickly and humainly with the weapon WE CHOSE, I get the feeling that Mr. Cole isnt very good with the " bow" he picked to use.
I personally use both long bow and compound, I can hit a deer with either one. It depends on how I feel that day on which one I will use.
He compares the compound bow to a shotgun, yes thats right a shotgun, whatever, I' m not even going to comment on that stupidity.
He also says the original season was set up for long and recurve bows, not compounds- the season was set up for archery hunting (this means bows too Mr. Cole if you did' nt know that). Back then compounds were not widly used, only because they were more widely produced latter (if you did' nt know that either Mr. Cole).It is called technology.
I could continue on talking about what a dipstick this guy is, but unlike him I would like to see ALL hunters get along, no matter how they pursue their intended meal.
If anybody knows Mr. Cole thank him for giving more ammo to the antis.

I would like everyone to respond to this no matter what your side, I will be writting a response to Mr. Coles letter in the next issue of Wisconsin News.

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Cole is a DUMB............

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Dumb isn' t the word I would use.Moron is more fitting.

I have great respect for traditional hunters and do believe there should be a different catagory in the record books but to compare a compound bow to a shotgun is just moronic.I have hunted with a shotgun and not once did I have to draw it and hold it without being seen.Heck there are shotguns that are made for deer hunting that shoot 100 yards or more accurately.I also havn' t seen too many twigs throw a slug way off course causing a miss.


Yeah,moron is a more fitting word to use.

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I have all the respect in the world for hunters using traditional equipment, but at the same time I have just as much respect for those who use compounds. Its an individual choice on using a weapon, and it takes as much knowledge to hunt with either. It also takes maturity and intelligence to decide what weapon is best for us, and I choose to use the weapon I am more proficient with.

As you can see with this article, there will always be those who place their egos and immaturity first. Perhaps this guy is jealous of someone he knows using a compound to take a big buck he was hunting. I suspect personal motives was behind his immature thinking and poor reasoning was behind his comments.

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Most seasons are extended to cull the expanding herds so according to mr. coles the compound would be a better choice over the recurve and long bow. So in reality he' s contradicting the system.

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I believe the next category below moron is idiot. I agree the guy has only one person in mind with his comments. After he has eliminated all the compound (and crossbow) hunters, let him whine when he finds out he no longer has any political clout. Like it or not, the PRIVILEGE we have to hunt is granted thru legislation (politics, if you will) and we need all the voter pressure we can garner. His comparison of the bow, any bow, (including the crossbow), to a shotgun is idiotic. I' m sure there are some that will take exception to my including crossbows in the discussion, but if we cut them out, aren' t we putting ourselves in Michael Coles' shoes? I thought people from Wisconson had more sense than this.

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Lots of good, old fashioned knee jerking going on here. Anybody know whether Mr. Cole even shoots a bow or not? Could be he' s one of the masses that' s supposed to be who we' re wanting to sway over to our side and here all you guys are, calling him an idiot, moron, what-have-you. Now, if he reads this thread, he' ll not only think badly about compounds but be pretty sure anyone that shoots one is an a__hole. Good job, fellers. That' s the way to make friends and influence people. [:' (]

Maybe you should think of positive things to say FOR compounds rather than send a response that only says the guy is an idiot... This is an opportunity. You can either use it to advance the sport or you can use it the other way...

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My feelings exactly.

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Well I really hate to do this BUT, I was wondering, when can a hunter stand up for the sport he or she loves and has a great sense of loyalty towards?
I guess what I am refering to is this........first of all I am not writing this to start a fight or debate. Obviously by looking at the total hits on this there are alot of hunters out there that dont want to get involved in this by posting a response. But it sounds like Arthur P says that we as hunters should not stand up for our sport vocally and defend it against others that are trying to inact laws against hunting, mainly antis. I dont mean this badly Arthur P but, when can I defend myself against these non-thinking people (I hope thats o.k to say), I hate to offend someone, someone that is attacking us every day that we as hunters are in the field trying to continue a sport that we love, that for most of us is a passion.
Most people in this day and age defend their way of life or the things they enjoy very defensively, that is most people except hunters, why? I do agree with you (Arthur P) that we should not name call, even though it is very clear to us all that Mr.Cole is an actual hunter (with his brain in left field somewhere) that just wants to hog big deer for himself during the rut. This is probably why we consider Mr. Cole an " idiot" for lack of a better term.
I really dont think this disagreement is between anybody else besides a greedy hunter and others that just want to enjoy their sport. No antis involved here, but I will keep your (Arthur P)opinion in mind as I wright a response in Wisconsin Outdoor News, Thank you for your thoughts Arthur P and everyone else, and please keep responding to this thread, I would like alot more responses, even just a Agree or Disagree with Mr. Cole.;)

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I really don' t normally get into name calling but I am not above it. Mr.Cole started this.Are we really " so called" bow hunters?Can you really compare a bow to a shotgun?


I don' t believe in being politically correct in these situations.Right or wrong that is the way I see it.

How can this kind of " so called" writer get this type of article published?Giving credit where credit is due,yes, but to go on and discredit anyone that uses a compound to kill record deer,COME ON.


I agree with him that it is more of a challenge to kill a record buck with traditional equipment but he is basicaly going on to say it is too easy to use a compound so they shouldn' t be catagorized as a bow.Come on Arthur,What would you use to describe these kind of statements.

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If you really think I meant that we shouldn' t defend the sport based on my post, then I not sure I really trust your interpretation of what Mr. Cole wrote in the article. Seems your reading comprehension is a little skewed. Either that or you went out of your way trying to insult me because I don' t agree with your approach.

What I mean is you can defend the sport much better by carefully explaining your feelings about it without being offensive. Calling someone an idiot or moron certainly does nothing to win them over to your side. Around these parts, it' s the quickest way to get a boot in the groin that I know of.

Now, you are going to write a letter to the editors. IF they elect to print it, the editors will give Mr Cole a copy of your letter and offer to let him write a response. If you just write in and say he' s an idiot, then his response will be easy. More or less, ' I told you they were brainless jerks.'

What you need to do is lay out your philosophy about bowhunting. Throw in a few facts and figures about bowhunter demographics, herd population and habitat condition. Show that compounds are needed in the pre-rut and then most everyone with a functional pair of brain cells rubbing together can see that his position is ridiculous.

First, figure out why you shoot the equipment you shoot and calmly and reasonably as possible, write it down. Take my reasons for instance - I much prefer longbows, but I shoot compounds because I' m getting older and I' m pretty seriously disabled. I can comfortably shoot 60 pound draw compounds, but no way can I handle a stickbow in a hunting draw weight any longer. Should I be denied access to the pre rut simply because I am not physically capable of shooting a stickbow accurately any more?

That' s the kind of thing you need in your reply. Serious REASONING vs hotheaded nonsense.

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As a die-hard traditional bowhunter, that part of the article you quoted is not something I agree with.

Despite my personal feelings towards certain " equipment" , I certainly wouldn' t make public statements to that effect...especially in a state that just legalized crossguns for use in the archery season by anyone 65 or older.

I' m guessing that this was a Letter to the Editor, and not an article?

JRW

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Don Loch, I see why your getting up in arms, but really arent the people who count and have some sense going to be able to read between the lines of that article. This is the same thing I run into at my local club. Same old debate. Choice of weapons of course will never matter. It still comes down to " Deer knowledge." The guys a whining goob. I would think most would see that, laugh, put his name in the toys for tots drawing, and move on. Please Santa, give Goober boy shooting lessons for Christmas. I do applaud your writing a response. If written with panache and containing clear statistics it couldnt hurt. Good luck.

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I second CougarMag' s reply, well said!

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yet another uninformed butt head! let me know when they come up with a compound that is equal to a shot gun ,i' ll take one !! :D:D:D i probably wouldn' t be able to shoot it.

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O.K. I had a good one but I' m getting confused. Lets try this again. Opinions on mr. Coles letter please. Not bashing of free americans voicing their opinions of Mr. Coles letter. They have the same rights as Mr.Cole. And no, I would not write a response to Cole and call him an idiot, even if he was one. And I hope he does see this thread , maybe he would wake up and smell the Petunia' s.:D
I really dont think we have to make Cole hate us, its pretty clear he already has his mind set, so I don' t think I will try to kiss and make up with him. Any body else want too?
But I do (really) respect your opinion Arthur. Just like everyone elses.

More opinions, Do you Agree with Cole or Not, Very simple.

Happy hunting you compound fool' s![:-]

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I read that article Don , it (he) was pathetic! We get moronic letters sent into WON every month.
The article is in the " opinions" section. These are the opinions of subscribers who send in their opinions to have published. Mr Cole is just another classic example of the hooray for me and f**K you attitude! He has writtten other bowhunting bashing articles in support of longer gun seasons and shorter bow seasons. Arthur , if you read all of this garbage that is sent in by our so called hunting brothers each month , you' d be the first in line with a baseball bat;)
Every month we get perfect examples of hunters dividing hunters[:' (]

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I don' t think that calling this guy names does anyone any good. He obviously has not spent a lot of time with archery equipment and is most likely basing his views on hearsay.
With that being said, I have a challenge for Mr. Coles if you are out there. Get yourself a compound, recurve, and a shotgun with slugs. Practice so you are proficient with each. Then we will go out into the wood and set up some realistic hunting scenarios and let you shoot at some deer targets. After realize that in most situations your effective hunting range even with the " best" compound is limited to under 30 yards, you may want to rethink your remarks.

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If that' s the case, you' re not dealing with an idiot but someone who is on a crusade to discredit bowhunting. Which, by the way, is also very high on the anti' s agenda. I wonder how many of these letters are actually written by anti' s, specifically to promote division and ill will among hunters? So, what kind of person is Mr Cole? Is he simply a greedy S.O.B. that want' s more time for his chosen method of hunting at the expense of others, or is he an anti that' s posing as a hunter in his letters?

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I totally disagree with cole, it is definitely no easy task to take a whitetail deer with compound bow either. So why should the season be shortened.

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My ouji board must be broke. I' m still trying to figure out where some folks here got the " insight" that they did from the opening post. From just that little snipet, some people have been able to tell that the author wants to " hog big deer for himself" , that he hasn' t spent much time with archery equipment, and/or that he' s really an anti-hunter.

Again, I don' t agree with him...but how some folks on this board get from A to B absolutely boggles the mind.

JRW

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JRW, anyone that likens a compound to a shotgun with slugs has not spent a lot of time with archery equipment. There A to B. Got it?;)

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HuntingBry,

I know folks who' ve shot archery and bowhunted in excess of 40 years who' ve made the same comparisons. Sorry, but my crystal ball is still on lay-a-way. ;)

JRW

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I do have to agree with Arthur on his last reply. The antis will use any ploy necessary to put a wedge between hunting ranks. But I' m confident by looking at my new and improved, and working ouji board that Cole is anti compound use during the rut only, just my opinion,and probably only in Wisconsin because thats where HE hunts.:D But I don' t know this for sure , it' s just my opinion:D

Keep em coming, are there any pro Cole people out there? Need your opinion too.[:-]

On another note I went to the dnr meetings last nite in G.B. Wis. and it seemed the majority was for continuing the baiting ban here. Trying to stop the CWD spread. Hopefully we here in Wis. will join the ranks of the other 37 states and make baiting illegal forever, but thats just my opinion. -fyi only-;)

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JRW, those crystal balls do come in handy.:D I realize that comparisons such as the one we are speaking of are completely subjective, but for me, that comparison says to me that those folks either have some really crappy shotguns or some really unbelievable bows.

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I STRONGLY DISSAGRE

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JRW, I was just having my usual fun.Of course I dont know if the guy can shoot or not. Dont care either.Your right about the crystal ball deal. Ive never had one. I do have a friend who has a titanium ball. Very, very bad industrial accident. Ive never tried staring into it, and dont plan to. We aint that close.Anyway, It does sound like whining in the article. Don in answer to the question. Nay.

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Thanks Fletchead. I needed to spit coffee all over my desk this monring! :D

LOL!!!!!!

JRW