RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

I now know 100% that you are a jokester:D I will be printing that out and showing it to all my friends just so i can see if they pee their pants laughing too!!!!! But in all seriousness Lions 3 Bengals 2. And the lions will be thanking God that you dont get to kick an extra point for a safety.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Man, how sad is it that we are going to have to both bet against our own teams???

Anyway, back on topic, GERM... anything else to complain about??:D

It truly is amazing that in MI the baiting was takenso much differently than here. I haven't given it enough thought toestimate why that would be, but perhaps you have...???

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

I once saw a pile that i swear was a whole pick up bed full of sugar beets. it was so high you could hide on one side and shoot deer on the other side with out being seen. It was in Gladwin on state land off of m60 but seriously that is ridiculous. Two gallon bucket over 10 square feetis out the window with some of the piles i have seen.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

And to think the deer are pened up, gee wonder how CWD got started there [:@]

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

That could be bad!!! Just what we need, more BS here!

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

As long as its a legal way to "Kill" deer we should support our fellow man.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

at a deer farm, if one has it, all of them are going to get it.....it just keeps growing here in wv.....deer farms never report the true number of how many deer escape there fences.....good luck to you guys out in MI.. once it gets out into the wild, nothing can stop it....even if you could possibly find every single deer with cwd and shoot them...it will still be in the ground and on food sources.......CWD spread has been link to deer farming many times over...I'm amazed it is still aloud!

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

DOH!

Substitute "Hunter" for "man" and you finally get it!:)

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

That would be a misrepresentitive use of the word.

You don't have to "hunt" for a deer that is held captive in a pen.[:-]

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Your opinion. I have no issues with a man's opinion.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

"When we treat deer like cattle, they get sick like cattle";)

Tom Morang MS site

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Not good news[:@]

If they ban baiting there will be most likely be alot more violators in the U.P,
and most likely quite a few less license's sold. Baiting deer is big
in the u.p.

Our deer heard up here will really dwindle down, with the harsh winters they need the extra
food people put out to survive the deep snow during the winters.

It sure will change the deer movements and its fine by me. maybe with a ban on baiting all the bucks wont go
nocturnal.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Well, banning baiting is not a bad thing. The problem is any time you make a big change to a rule it will upset many people, especially those that are affected by that rule. In the long run I believe it will make the herd less "tame"

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Germ , What is it route 76 that goes from Toledo to Saginaw? Every exit has caged bucks with B.C. scores and prices listed accordingly.

And every "Stop & Rob" has bags of deer corn and sugar beets for 250 miles. What a Joke It really is.[:@]

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Hopefully the Mi DNR does not freak out like the Wi one did when it first hit.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Interstate 75:D

Baiting done correctly is not harmful at all, we just ruined it in MI.

1.Because we're lazy
2.We think a lot of bait is a good thing.

If we would have had 1 5 gallon bucket rule and followed it, we would be fine. Like some have stated, I have seen beet piles that could feed Africa:eek:

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

if they ban baiting i should only be in the LP from the way i understand the order. does anyoneknow if the order came down yet, i know in the conservationorders it says they will if it was found but i havent seen the official word on the dnr webpage yet. I would love to be a fly on the wall when some ofthese guys buy their license and are told they cant bait this year.I bet that sugar beetfarmers will have something to say about the ban too. They cant be to happy, in some areas the deer might not know what to do either ...lol

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

What do you mean lower MI of course screwing the U.P.?

There's an educated comment

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Huntingson, The difference is the number of hunters and the size of Michigans state lands. Every tree has a bait pile behind it. I am sick and tried of hearing about the poor farmer not going to make any money so we can't end baiting!! Grow a crop you can sell then like corn you can ship out!!!! Farmers were suriving long before baiting ever started. If you wouldtake a random 15 hunters just pick them I would bet you 10 of them wouldn't know a scrape from a rub what a deer run looks like and hunt a swamp or a pinch point what do you mean, I just poor out some corn and beets and apples and carrots and cameere deer andwheat and a minerale lick and deer cocaine and salt block and the deer just show up I can hunt any where because where ever I poor all this out I see deer!!!! That is Michigans attitude and 3/4 of the hunters if you want to call them hunters think!! Ok deep breath enough bitching nobody listens any ways!!!! Walt

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Hell I grouse hunt in the UP and I thought sugar beets grew wild in the woods up there.;)

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Lots of truth here I'm thinking Walt!!

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

[:-]

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Un-bunch your undies dude, just poking fun at Germ.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

No worries, you guys can be on your own, I will even pay back the taxes collected from the UP in 2007. Do you want that 5 dollars in cash or check:D

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

In our rush rush society many people dont have the ability to sit still and wait at a pinch point, read a topo, and spend time in the woods scouting. True many people dont know what scrapes or runs look like. So enter these wonderful productsthat really in my opinion are put in place to save a declining tradition and boost state revenues through taxes and increased hunters. it makes it attractive to people who watch on tv and see monsters but dont realize for every monster you see 100does forks and spikes. I cant say that im against using aids or baiting but i can say that i am against using an entire dump truck of beets to hunt over, it would be like shooting a bear at a trash dump. where is the sport in that, let alone the personal satisfaction of hunting. Most of us realize that hunting doesnt start opening day, it is a year round activity that we make time for.I know guys who spend time locatingdeer and have never put anything down and they get deer everyyear that they arehappy with and that is great. I also know guys who put downfood plots, minerals but also spend time looking for deer, know the woods they hunt in and do things to keep the deer theyfind. theyalso get deer they are happy with.then there are the guys i know who put down grossamounts of bait (sugar beets, molassess, carrots, and everyjug of goup they can get their hands on) that they put down one week before they go which is the first time they enteredthewoods since the season before and they get deer that they brag about, and compare to everyone else and show off (not that bragging about our quarry is bad cause i know if i spank a monster ill talk about it for months but ill also talk about my does, spikes forks and missed shots). Theyreallydont seem to have the same sense of accomplishment the others have, but then again they didnt accomplish anything because they didntinvest anything. I see a very simialar trend in hunting that happened in the poker world. Casinos had great games going everynight until the world series of poker was on tv , on the internet and magazines and books glamorized these college kids making 100,000 a night playing. Enter every poker expert in the world who thought poker in the real world was just like poker on tv, quality of games declined and things got really frustrating.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

GERM!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope you didnt scent up my spot when you took this picture[:@]. im going to be soooooo pissed at you if no deer come to it now..........LOL

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

ooh!!!! Now that's below the belt, I can't help that school busses and tents don't have to pay taxes..even if they do have something resembling a porch!

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

You know i dont know why there has to be such tension between the UP and LP. Ive been saying for years that the UP is a great place it is just like stray dog, we keep feed it so it just wont go away. ....LOL but seriously I had a lot of great times in the UP when i was a kid lots of good memories.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

I love it back home too, still go to hunt the gun season fora few days. I am really curious to see what a baiting ban would do to the hunting. Enforcement would be tough, given the number of COs we have though. Wow, deer with no bait and a 3-point rule, the miracles never cease!

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Personally, I don't think this will effect this year's hunt and baiting. I think they need to prove that the virus has escaped the deer farm before they do anything drastic. I think if they find anything in that September hunt, then there might start being some problems. I don't think they want to start blowing any whistles until it is proven in "Wild" Deer. You have to think how it will economically effect the businesses that sell feed, land values in that area, etc. I know I wouldn't want to buy hunting land in an area that they are saying has a disease that could effect the deer herd there for the next 20 years. Theres a lot more that is effected than just the hunting side when these outbreaks occur. I don't want to see it get to the Level that Wisconsin sees now (I believe the WDNR has blown it WAY out of proportion there) so I believe they need to do something drastic if it is discovered in that area, but not put the whole state on Alert if it is found.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Banning Bait in Michigan would be one step in the right direction. One step of 1,438 that needs to happen if Michigan ever wishes to have a healthy heard of whitetail deer that actually might have the ability to reach maturity.

Doubling the price of tags, decreasing the number of bucks a single hunter can kill in one year to (1), minimum 4 point side to kill a buck, and changing the gun season from it's current dates to a single 5 day season in December would all be a-part of a solution to the current problem.

I don't see any of the above happening anytime soon. Someone in DNR needs to grow a set and stand up to the insurance driven management of the herd. The hunters themselves need to stand up and HAMMER anyone who shoots a small buck over a doe. If guys would only get that a doe eats just as well as a spike, fork horn, button buck, or any immature buck - the solution would be close at hand.

Hammer me if you will - but my plan would work and it would also reduce the number of "killers" in the woods - which is also needed if Michigan ever wishes to have any type of trophy hunting! Just the opinion of a bowhunter who grew up in Michigan and moved to Iowa because Icouldn't take hunting in Michigan a day longer!

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Did I write this?

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Not sure Silverflicker - maybe? I didn't see it if you did.

BTW - I should have mentioned how my topic relates to CWD - but it really doesn't. What CWD is going to be is an excuse for the DNR to kill more deer to appease the Insurance companies and polititions. I only wish the pay-off's would be exposed so the real environmentalists in Michigan (the hunters) could take back the power of the people!

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Well NRC set's policy[&:]if the above was true we would have had a herd reduction in the SLP, instead increase[&:]

We reduce doe permits to 3 per hunter, at request of the hunters:eek:

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

You must have missed it, I onlytalk aboutthe Great DNR/ Insurance Deer Kill off in the TB areas about every other month on here.
No doubt it was a mistake to give control to the MDNR, but it looked like a solution to the problem at the time, only to become a problem its self.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Here we go

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Aug. 26, 2008
Contact: Mary Dettloff 517-335-3014




DNR Acts to Implement CWD Surveillance and Response Plan
In the wake of Monday’s announcement that Chronic Wasting Disease
(CWD) has been confirmed in a three-year old privately-owned
white-tailed deer in Kent County, the Michigan Department of Natural
Resources is acting immediately to implement provisions of the state’s
Surveillance and Response Plan for CWD.

Among the provisions is an immediate ban on all baiting and feeding ofdeer and elk in the Lower Peninsula. DNR conservation officers will step
up surveillance and enforcement efforts on baiting. Baiting and feeding
unnaturally congregate deer into close contact, thus increasing the
transmission of contagious diseases such as CWD and bovine tuberculosis.
Bait and feed sites increase the likelihood that those areas will
become contaminated with the feces of infected animals, making them a
source of CWD infection for years to come.
Additionally, the provisions include a mandatory deer check for hunters
who take a deer within Tyrone, Solon, Nelson, Sparta, Algoma, Courtland,
Alpine, Plainfield, and Cannon townships, which contain the surveillance
area or "hot zone." All hunters who take a deer during any deer
hunting season this fall within the "hot zone" will be required to
visit a DNR deer check station so that their deer can be tested for CWD.
The DNR currently is seeking locations for additional deer check
stations in the area to make it more convenient for hunters. To prevent
unintentional spread of CWD, the only parts of deer harvested in the
surveillance zone that will be allowed to be transported out will be
boned meat, capes, and antlers cleaned of all soft tissues.
In addition, all transport of live wild deer, elk and moose will be
prohibited statewide, including transport for rehabilitation purposes.
Currently, there is no live animal test for CWD, and infected animals
often show no signs of illness for years in spite of being infectious
for other animals. Movement for rehabilitation purposes may speed
geographic spread of the disease.
The DNR will act immediately to test an additional 300 deer within the
"hot zone" in Kent County. The DNR will be cooperating with local
officials to collect fresh road-killed deer, and will be urging deer
hunters participating in the early antlerless season on private land in
September to comply with the mandatory deer check.
Landowners in Kent County "hot zone" who would like to obtain
disease control permits to cull deer from their property and assist with
the collection of deer for testing should contact the DNR’s Wildlife
Disease Lab at 517-336-5030. Permits will be available immediately upon
request. Landowners who do not want to cull deer, but want to
participate in the collection of deer for testing, can obtain assistance
from the DNR in culling deer.
DNR officials reminded citizens that, to date, there is no evidence
that CWD poses a risk to humans, nor has there been verified evidence
that the disease can be transmitted to humans.
CWD is a fatal neurological disease that affects deer, elk and moose.
Most cases of the disease have been in western states, but in the past
several years, it has spread to Midwestern and eastern states. Infected
animals display abnormal behaviors, loss of bodily functions and a
progressive weight loss. Current evidence suggests that the disease is
transmitted through infectious, self-multiplying proteins (prions).
Prions are normal cell proteins whose shape has been transformed,
causing CWD. The disease is transmitted by exposure to saliva of
infected animals. Susceptible animals can also acquire CWD by eating
feces from an infected animal, or soil contaminated by them. Once
contaminated, soil can remain a source of infection for many years,
making CWD a particularly difficult disease to manage.
More information about CWD is available on the State of Michigan’s
Emerging Diseases Web site at [/size]www.michigan.gov/chronicwastingdisease.
The DNR is committed to the conservation, protection, use and enjoyment
of the state’s natural resources for current and future generations.
###

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

Put the carrots away boys, LOL

LANSING, Mich. (AP) - Baiting and feeding of deer and elk is banned in the Lower Peninsula as part of Michigan's plan to prevent the spread of chronic wasting disease.

The Department of Natural Resources detailed its response plan Tuesday, one day after confirming Michigan's first case of the fatal neurological disease in a deer at a private Kent County facility.

Hunters who kill deer in Kent County's Tyrone, Solon, Nelson, Sparta, Algoma, Courtland, Alpine, Plainfield and Cannon townships will be required to stop at a DNR checkpoint to test animals. Hunters in other areas will be encouraged to do so.

All transport of live wild deer, elk and moose is prohibited statewide.

There's no evidence the disease is present in free-ranging herds.

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

I have always been for a ban on baiting, but not like this!

Are the farmers insured for anything like this?

RE: Michigan Boys Get ready to bend over
 

OUCH, it has officially hit the fan!

Question though, I want to use the C'mere deer three day harvest this year, is this considered baiting or feeding???