broadhead that flies like a field tip?
 

My endless search for such a mythical creature has come up empty,I am thoroughly convinced such a broadhead does not exist.
Every year it`s the same old story-switch the field tips for broadheads and completely resight the bow in.For 3-d I use a hip quiver,.... so yesterday putting the quiver back on the bow and shooting the same arrow with the same 100 grain tipI shot 7 inches low (broadhead) and 2 inches to the left (quiver)
Not a big deal,I`m used to having to go through the entire process before hunting every year.It took me about two hours to shoot bullseyes from 20-70 yards.
On a side note I`ve decided to go with all fixed blades this year as apposed to the expandables I had been using which did drop more slowly but DON`T FLY LIKE A FIELD TIP

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I think Slick Tricks are about the nicest flying bh out there right now. Very durable and exceptionally accurate. I also just tried the Tight Point Shuttle T-Lock, also a very nice bh that flies very true. Good luck!

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Every bow I have owned has been able to be tuned to shoot broadheads with the same point of impact as fieldtips. That inclueds several different brands of bows and broadheads. Something on your bow has to be a bit off to cause that much of a problem. Moving the pins for broadheads just masks the tuning issues.Also check arrow spine etc.

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Right now I am shooting field tips and broadheads (muzzy phantom 220gr/no bleeder)to the same spot out to 45 yards.

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I think that you should tune your bow.

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It`s not a tuning problom,my bowtech is paper tuned on a regular basis,I shoot with a knowledgable crowd.
Its scientificly imposible for something cutting more wind not to fall as fast as something cutting less wind,this is the whole theory behind thinner arrows such as easton axis-they were supposed to gain fps,try shooting a a broadhead with a 4 inch wingspan some time,I have and let me tell ya they dont go far

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I'm no expert.....but if your BH's and FP's are the same weight......"I'd" say 7" WAS a tuning problem.

My .02

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It seemed a bit much to me too,Its been a few months so I guess I could take it over to vapor trails.
But it`s always been the same thing every year,I have yet to see a bow sighted for field tips and no quiver,then shoot the same with broadheads and a quiver.

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You keep talking about this quiver, i really dont think is effects arrow flight at all unless you hold the bow diferently.

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How do the broadheads shoot without the quiver on? If the bow is tuned, it should shoot both the same without the quiver. I have not seen a quiver make that extreme of a difference but I am shure its possible.

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Oh it makes a huge differance,with only two arrows in my quiver the side torque will throw it inches to the left at only 20 yards,I would loose arrows at 70 yards without adjusting,something to pay attention to if you take your quiver off in the stand

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A quiver will affect spine on a traditional setup. Whether it does or not on a compound.....I have no idea.

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There is much more to tuning, and checking the tune, than just paper.

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Well i dont practice with my quiver on but it will be on when im hunting. I should practice with it on. Wish I had a 1 piece.

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I have`nt tried shooting broadheads without the quiver on,I want the same scinario I hunt with.
The quiver is a bowtech 6 arrow detachable

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The centershot is perfect the cams max at same time (binary) I`ve always had the same achor point,so peep is in the same spot,I`ve been friends with the two guys that started vapor trails since nobody ever heard of them and they give me pointers on issues like tuning,maybe you could list some other issues I might want to look at.

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Centershot is a place to start and, unless your arrow's dynamic spine is perfect for your current DW and shooting style, then the rest isoften adjusted off of centershot. You should also start with nock level, sometimes nock high a little but, with the binary cams I have worked with nock level seems to be good.

There are some stickies in the technical forum about walk back tuning and other bow setup stuff. Then there is group tuning andbareshaft tuning. Those are covered in the tech forum also.

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Can you get someone to stand behind you and watch your arrow flight from longer distances? Can you have someone shoot your bow and YOU watch (from behind)?

Are your arrows entering your target in a straight line (at all distances)?

For ME....I care verylittle about paper tuning my bow for BH's. I don't discount the step....but I spend very little time on it.

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FIRST AND FOREMOST.....
Just because a BOW is paper-tuned at 5 ft, don't mean it will shoot well out to 70yds. Paper-tuning is just one form of tuning. And what your have is a TUNING problem. If your BH's are that far away from your FP's, assuming they spin TRUE, you've got a tuning problem. Slick Tricks are the BEST flying BH I've shot, and "NO, I'm not a FANBOY," just willing to share that info to HELP you out.

If you're BH's consistently shoot where you say they do, then you need to RE-TUNE your bow, raise your rest or lower your nock-point, and move the rest a little. You can't tell me your bow is different than the last 4 I've had that I've got to shoot Broadheads right close to FP's, it just ain't so. AND, if you were shooting with a TRULY knowledgeable crowd, one of your "buddies" would have set you straight on this. Tuning a bow to shoot BH's CLOSE to FP's is a little tedious, especially if you don't have a GOOD rest and a good place to do it, but it's not that difficult.

And for the record, the QUIVER shouldn't make that much difference, I've never noticed much on any bow I've shot.

If you hunt from a stand it makes perfect sense to hang the quiver on the tree and shoot the bow WITHOUT the quiver on, as MANY of us do, but again, the QUIVER AIN'T gonna make that much difference!!!!

THIS is a big bunch of COMPLETE UTTER "BS!!!!" If the quiver makes that much difference, the problem is in the guy behind the bow or the tuning of the bow, NOT THE BOW or the BH!!!!


Jeff,
Good point. Most guys think that if their bow is paper-tuned it's TUNED and that's all there is to it, and they are WRONG. I don't/won't paper-tune, because it does nothing for me. I do a walk-back, and then slap some BH's on to fine tune, adjuct rest-height/nock-point, and fine-tune the center-rest. The last time I tried to paper tune, I had my nock-point WAY high, and it through EVERYTHING off, I went back to what I know, and was back to archer's minute of angle 3-4" groupings at 40yds.

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I`ll just ignore the ignorance as anyone who has experience with a bow knows adding weight to one side will create side torque and I`m here for pointers not foolish arguments. yeesh

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Call it what you want, BUT the torque is in your HAND, not from that quiver. Ignorance here is speaking for himself, and it's pretty obvious.

Not sure where there's a good link here, but this is STICKY'd on another site and is quite informative in all honesty. It's been referred to literally THOUSANDS of times by good EXPERIENCED archers.... http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=539460

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I always think of extremes in this situation,imagine you have a ten pound weight on iether side of your bow,that would create obvious side torque right?

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It would ONLY create torque if you allowed the extra weight to MAKE you torque the bow in your hand.

Hold it steady.....NO torque issues.

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I do have a level on my sights and do use it on every shot,making sure my grip is loose enough centered in my palm

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TRUE ANSWER.... NO, not if you have a good grip. I notice NO difference with or without a quiver on my bow, loaded with 5 or 7 arrows. Precisely why I'm saying the problem is the guy behind the bow. I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm trying to guide you to realizing there IS a better way of doing things. I posted on another forum that I believe my Slick Tricks fly BETTER than my FP's and out to 40yds, I'm sticking them where at least one blade is touching the 2" diamond in the center of my MDL Broadhead target.

In all honesty, if you tune your bow to shoot BH's close/with FP's, you'll shoot FP's better as well. I may have come off harsh, but you really are spewing forth BS and I know a lot of guys who think like you do or used to think like you do until they "saw the light," archery wise at least.

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Maybe someone should define "A GOOD GRIP"

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The more you type, the more you open yourself up to make yourself a BETTER archer. The bow should BARELY touch your palm. If you hold it between your thumb and index finger, and let the rest of your fingers fall free, that's the way you should be holding it. Are you using a wrist strap??? If not, you NEED one. It will help you "relax" your hand and eliminate torque. Seriously, look at the link I provided, it's been hit on over 22,000 times for a reason!!!!

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I may be all wrong, here.....but I don't think of it as "gripping" my bow. I'm allowing the bow grip to rest agaisnt the right spot on the inner part of my palm......the extension of my thumb(if you will). My fingers only rest on the front of the riser...because that's where they are most comfortable....and it assures me of no tension in my bow hand.

The "force" of holding the bow is applied by the fact that I'm at full draw. I don't "grip" my bow.

I hope this makes sense....and if not...I'm gonna learn something;)

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i was suprised when i put the shutle t-lock 100 grain on after sighting in with field tip, didn't have to change a thing. right in the bulls eye

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I may have mis-spoke there,I can`t imagine centering the grip in my palm,actually the area you spoke of between the thumb and index,but more on the left side of thethumb muscle,I don`t let the bow fall away after release though,I do own a sling but don`t use it because I dont let the bow fall away.

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This sounds almost exactly like what I do

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I hope you weren't referencing me.....because I didn't say that.

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not at all I just put my hand out and thaught you would have to have a wierd hand position to palm the bow,you know?

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That archer in your avatar appears to be palming the bow.

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Try this. Put a small dot at the top of your target. Then, tape a strait line down the lenth of the target. Shoot a group with the 20 yd pin at the dot.Assuming it groupedon the dot,then shoot a group from 30 YARDS USING YOUR 20 YARD pin again. Shoot another group from 40 yards USING YOUR 20 YARD pin again. If all groups are notON the line progressively lower down the target, you have a tuning issue with the rest and it will need to be moved side to side. ie: if the groups wander farther and farther from the line from the farther distances you need to adjust the rest.

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And right there may be a big part of the problem..... A lot of guys I know "don't use" them and when you see them shoot you wonder why. Go from a nice open grip to a grap right at release, ok for FP's, still not great though, but HORRID for BH's. I actually "grip" the bow between the thumb and forefinger, and take the rest of my fingers and rest my nails right on the front edge where my grip meets the riser. It does a nice job for me. I don't shoot past 60yds, and only that on occasion, most of my shooting is done from 20-50yds, but at a known distance, I feel pretty much 99% confident even with a FBH at anything between 20-40, and probably 90% after 40 for a good 6" kill on a whitetail with EVERY arrow.

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Like I originaly stated I`m hitting a little 2 inch bullseye at 70 yards with the fbh now,so I really hate to go messing with the bow at this point,I could use a new string but with 3 weeks till opener,I`m not touching anything.
Since adjusting the sight to the left with the quiver on all my pins are perfect left and right,after that I just had to adjust the hight of the pins,it only took a couple hours to go from 20-70.
My avatar is actually me but I had just drawn and that`s not an accurate depiction of my grip when I release,it looks like a death grip I know.

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Don't take this as anything but corrective criticism......but if you were hitting 7" "off" from your FP's....and ALL you did was a sight adjustment.....

......the fact that you're hitting your target from ANY distance only tells me you've masked a serious tuning problem.

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I respect the opinion but does it really mater if my arrows are not tailing and I`m hitting bullsye`s?

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Let me ask you something......

Explain to me WHY they were hitting "differently" than your FP's....when everyone is telling you that it's impossible for that to occur WITHOUT a tuning issue being present (especially to that magnitude).