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Huntinman23 08-14-2008 08:20 PM

would you do it?
 
ok let me paint a picture for you. you are out in the woods in wisconsin where it is earn a buck and it is early morning and the deer are just starting to move. the first deer you see is a monster 10 point at least 150 inches or antler. you have not yet shot your doe, but you know for a fact that if you shoot this buck you could sit out that evening and kill a doe. would you break a law and shoot the buck before you have shot you doe for your earn a buck... i was faced with this decision last year with not such a big deer but i have never shot a buck with my bow only does and i passed up the oppoutunity to shoot the buck. but i knew that my land can produce a doe. i did shoot a doe that day by the way...never saw that buck again though...and the other ones i saw either didnt come close enough or didnt give me an ethical shot so i never got one... thanks guys

P.S
with my earn a buck out of the way this year with my crop damage doe i will have a buck tag by the opener.

and the doe i shot last year i let someone else tag because he the guy who lets me hunt on his land. so that is why i let him tag it. here is the picture of the doe i shot
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MNpurple 08-14-2008 08:26 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
Nope, not only is it illegal, but I'd also lose my job if caught.

AF Hunter 08-14-2008 08:26 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
Integrity First - The Buck Walks.

Side Note. By letting someone else who had not shot a doe tag yours here in Iowa that would be considered aiding and abetting the commission of a crime. If he then took a buck without killing a doe first you could have lost your hunting license for five years. I know you were just trying to be nice to the landowner, but in reality you did no one any service by doing so. I'll probably catch crap on this one, but still integrity comes first.

bigbulls 08-14-2008 08:31 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
I'd probably let it walk but that "earn a buck" law that you guys have up there is a bunch of crap IMHO.



Huntinman23 08-14-2008 08:31 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
in wisconsin they dont care who shoots the deer as long as it has a tag on it i have told people at the registration station that i shot the deer and he tagged it they didnt care at all
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bawanajim 08-14-2008 08:35 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
If I were on land that I owned,I might have to question their reasoning. The situation would determine how I would respond.:eek:

jim1966 08-14-2008 08:37 PM

RE: would you do it?
 

ORIGINAL: AF Hunter

Integrity First - The Buck Walks.

Side Note. By letting someone else who had not shot a doe tag yours here in Iowa that would be considered aiding and abetting the commission of a crime. If he then took a buck without killing a doe first you could have lost your hunting license for five years. I know you were just trying to be nice to the landowner, but in reality you did no one any service by doing so. I'll probably catch crap on this one, but still integrity comes first.
I think what he did is called party hunting. Is that illegal in wisconsin? I know in Indiana its illegal. Some states allow it though.


Wisconsin Regulations:
Group Deer Hunting Law
Group Hunting:
It is illegal to kill game for another person EXCEPT that during a
deer fi rearm season only
any member of a group deer hunting party may kill a deer
for another member of the party. Group hunting is
not legal for archery deer hunting.
All participants
must be licensed and each must possess a fi rearm. Members of a
group deer hunting party should also agree in advance that a tag holder is willing to
use their tag on a deer killed by another member of the party.
The following conditions are established by law to ensure that hunters are actively
participating in the hunt, are in the fi eld and do not harvest more deer than the group
has tags for:
1. A group deer hunting party must be at least 2 or more hunters who are hunting
together within sight or voice contact of one another at all times. Temporary loss
of voice or visual contact for a reasonable time due to terrain or weather conditions
is acceptable. Hunters may not kill deer for persons who are not out in the fi eld
actively hunting with the party or are at other locations apart from the area where
the hunter killed the deer.
2. Group deer hunting
is not allowed to fi ll the special free Antlerless Deer Carcass
Tag issued to fi rst-time Hunter Education graduates.
3. Hunters may not use cellular phones, special free radio communications or other
mechanical or electronic amplifying devices, (except hearing aids) to get someone
to tag a deer. It is legal to use electronic devices for reasons other than getting
someone to tag a deer.
4. The hunter for whom the deer is killed must possess a valid, unused carcass tag for
the type of deer killed.
5. The hunter killing the deer may not leave the deer unattended until after the deer
is tagged and the tag is validated according to the deer carcass tagging instructions
(page 17). A hunter is attending a deer if the hunter can see the deer.
6. Convicted felons cannot participate in group deer hunting or allow use of their
tag by anyone else. Deer drivers are not required to possess fi rearms or hunting
licenses.
7. Adults may
not gun deer hunt during the October 11 and 12 youth gun deer hunt.

Steven McBee 08-14-2008 08:38 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
it would be tough, man it would be tough, honestly i might shoot that buck if i knew that i could shoot a doe within a couple hours and if itwas on myown land, but idk

virginiashadow 08-14-2008 08:40 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
Arrow released my friends, arrow released without an ounce of hesitation.

GR8atta2d 08-14-2008 08:42 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
Suppose you saw him in theheadlights "just" 15 minutes before shooting time?

Is there a difference?

AF Hunter 08-14-2008 08:45 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
If he was party hunting and the deer was tagged by another member of the hunting party before it was moved, it is legal in Wisconsin. If he moved it or field dressed it and then the landowner put the tag on it, the law was broken. Just got done reading the Wisconsin DNR Deer Hunting Regulations.

sandilands 08-14-2008 08:46 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
Nope......... you haven't earned it this yr yet. Let him walk and then worry about filling the doe tag faster this yr. If your doe tag is filled then you can shoot to your hearts delight.

Vabowman 08-14-2008 08:50 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
you did the right thing but I just would hate that rule. In fact I would hate being able to only kill one buck a year. We get 3 bucks and as many doe tags as we want to buy here In Southeast Va. There are just soooo many freakin deer in this part of the state, not enough land to sustain them actually. And honestly, I don't see where it hurts our big bucks either. In one of my clubs last year we killed 140 deer, and that is with a 3 deer limit set by the club, gun only, and we shot 97 bucks, out of the 97 bucks 26 were 120 up 175 " .....what is it with that earn a buck crap??

virginiashadow 08-14-2008 08:51 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
Wow Landon! ...."and we shot 97 bucks, out of the 97 bucks 26 were 120 up 175 " QUALITY~

bawanajim 08-14-2008 08:51 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
I refuse to be forced into killing, its not what hunting is about. I understandshooting hoursand bag limits but our government is out of control on demanding things to achieve goals that might not be beneficial to the hunters whom are paying their wages.[:-]

Sheepeople and lemmings have allot in common.[:-]



Huntinman23 08-14-2008 08:53 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
VAB earn a buck is a law in wisconsin saying you have to shoot a doe before you can shoot a buck
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Vabowman 08-14-2008 08:57 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
yep shadow, 5,000 acs of dogs and deer, we get em up on their feet and the fun begins. This club is very elite in this part of the state, we got a waiting list longer than Redskin season ticket holders!! You still welcome to come and try it!

Bowtech 360 08-14-2008 09:12 PM

RE: would you do it?
 
I break the hunting law quite a bit, I hunt by myself, I will continue to do so until the DEC comes out there and sits with me, and with a cell phone your really not that far away. I only hunt 300 yards from my house. But on that I would shoot a doe first then hunt harder for that bigger deer.

thehairlessone! 08-15-2008 04:28 AM

RE: would you do it?
 
i woiuldnt have shot him either. It would be hard though
rick

wis_bow_huntr 08-15-2008 05:27 AM

RE: would you do it?
 
Yes he did break the law as he was group hunting with an archery weapon. Im assuming the landowner had a tag, but was not with him that night or within talking distance. Im also sure he left the deer unatended which is another violation, to have the landowner come out and tag the deer. Just goes to show you that some people will do anything to get their buck. Someone really needs to start reading the regualtions before heading out.


ORIGINAL: jim1966


ORIGINAL: AF Hunter

Integrity First - The Buck Walks.

Side Note. By letting someone else who had not shot a doe tag yours here in Iowa that would be considered aiding and abetting the commission of a crime. If he then took a buck without killing a doe first you could have lost your hunting license for five years. I know you were just trying to be nice to the landowner, but in reality you did no one any service by doing so. I'll probably catch crap on this one, but still integrity comes first.
I think what he did is called party hunting. Is that illegal in wisconsin? I know in Indiana its illegal. Some states allow it though.


Wisconsin Regulations:

[align=left]Group Deer Hunting Law[/align]
[align=left]Group Hunting:
It is illegal to kill game for another person EXCEPT that during a[/align][align=left]deer fi rearm season only any member of a group deer hunting party may kill a deer[/align][align=left]for another member of the party. Group hunting is not legal for archery deer hunting.[/align][align=left]All participants must be licensed and each must possess a fi rearm. Members of a[/align][align=left]group deer hunting party should also agree in advance that a tag holder is willing to[/align][align=left]use their tag on a deer killed by another member of the party.[/align][align=left]The following conditions are established by law to ensure that hunters are actively[/align][align=left]participating in the hunt, are in the fi eld and do not harvest more deer than the group[/align][align=left]has tags for:[/align][align=left]1. A group deer hunting party must be at least 2 or more hunters who are hunting[/align][align=left]together within sight or voice contact of one another at all times. Temporary loss[/align][align=left]of voice or visual contact for a reasonable time due to terrain or weather conditions[/align][align=left]is acceptable. Hunters may not kill deer for persons who are not out in the fi eld[/align][align=left]actively hunting with the party or are at other locations apart from the area where[/align][align=left]the hunter killed the deer.[/align][align=left]2. Group deer hunting is not allowed to fi ll the special free Antlerless Deer Carcass[/align][align=left]Tag issued to fi rst-time Hunter Education graduates.[/align][align=left]3. Hunters may not use cellular phones, special free radio communications or other[/align][align=left]mechanical or electronic amplifying devices, (except hearing aids) to get someone[/align][align=left]to tag a deer. It is legal to use electronic devices for reasons other than getting[/align][align=left]someone to tag a deer.[/align][align=left]4. The hunter for whom the deer is killed must possess a valid, unused carcass tag for[/align][align=left]the type of deer killed.[/align][align=left]5. The hunter killing the deer may not leave the deer unattended until after the deer[/align][align=left]is tagged and the tag is validated according to the deer carcass tagging instructions[/align][align=left](page 17). A hunter is attending a deer if the hunter can see the deer.[/align][align=left]6. Convicted felons cannot participate in group deer hunting or allow use of their[/align][align=left]tag by anyone else. Deer drivers are not required to possess fi rearms or hunting[/align][align=left]licenses.[/align][align=left]7. Adults may not gun deer hunt during the October 11 and 12 youth gun deer hunt.[/align]

wis_bow_huntr 08-15-2008 05:32 AM

RE: would you do it?
 
Actually if he had to call the land owner to tag it or yell for him, he broke the law. The land owner must have had to been with in eyesight and talking distance, its against the law to use radio, cell phone or cb communications to inform someone you shot a deer and need them to tag it. Also even if he didnt touch the deer, if hes group hunting its against the law to leave the deer unattended while not being tagged.

ORIGINAL: AF Hunter

If he was party hunting and the deer was tagged by another member of the hunting party before it was moved, it is legal in Wisconsin. If he moved it or field dressed it and then the landowner put the tag on it, the law was broken. Just got done reading the Wisconsin DNR Deer Hunting Regulations.

Ben / PA 08-15-2008 05:44 AM

RE: would you do it?
 

ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d

Suppose you saw him in theheadlights "just" 15 minutes before shooting time?

Is there a difference?
In the eyes of the law, no. It is still illegally harvesting game. If we all drew our own lines in the sand what would we have? Chaos. That said, for me, being in PA which is a one buck state, I have a hard time letting arrows go knowing that I can't shoot another. The situation that scares me the most is if I shoot a buck and am back out in the woods and see the monster of a life time. I hope that I would have the integrity to let him walk.

JESUS loves archers 08-15-2008 06:09 AM

RE: would you do it?
 
Ithink there are hunters here that would take the buck if they thaught they would see a doe later that day but if you didnt get that doe it`s gonna be hard hiding a big buck until you do,your better off passing on the buck until you get a doe.
I sure am glad minnesota does`nt have any stupid laws like that!
If laws are there for a reason whats the reason for that one? They want more dead deer?

davidmil 08-15-2008 06:27 AM

RE: would you do it?
 
Earn a buck is just about the most aasinign law I've heard of. If they want to ensure more does are killed, give out some more tags. Subjecting the poor guy that only gets a Saturday here and there to the earn a buck is just not fair to all. I think if I lived in a earn a buck state and they had a phone in system I'd call in a doe before I left the house opening day. LOL I'd burn a tag rather than be subjected to the above senerio. LOL So would I shoot the buck. No, no deer worth loosing my license and priviledges to hunt.

twildasin 08-15-2008 06:31 AM

RE: would you do it?
 
SO your asking how many people will break the law? I'm sure everyone on here will confess to it! Hell no I got a family to raise and take care of I don't need to break the law for an animal thats for sure! We need a poll added to the top so I can vote "THIS IS GAY"

RTA47 08-15-2008 06:40 AM

RE: would you do it?
 

Earn a buck is just about the most aasinign law I've heard of
I would have to agree with david on this one but never the less no i would not shoot.
Its not so much that i would get cought that bothers me, but knowing that i killed it illegal even if no one else knows.[&:]



bowtech.tribute 08-15-2008 07:08 AM

RE: would you do it?
 
I wont shoot the buck!


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