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RE: Taking a fawn for the freezer?
ORIGINAL: bigcountry ORIGINAL: PreacherTony I don't understand why the boy will kill a fawn when he doesn't want to, JUST to get the first one under his belt ..... now if he wanted to kill it, that's different, but if is just trying to get that 1st one out of the way ... that makes ZERO sense to me . You were a young hunter at one time. Surely, you sat and dreamed about taking a large 10pt or whatever, and most likely you rarely got it. You want to take the king of the woods, but you sometimes have to take what God gives you. Bowtech 360 ....if all you really WANT to shoot is a big buck, then enjoy watching those other deer that come around you ... your chances for a big buck will increase dramatically if you wait ..... the "need" to get one under your belt is a falacy when it's not the real one you want ... The reason I don't like this mentality is when I first started bowhunting i was told the same thing ...except for me it was any doe ... at the time, I didn't WANT to shoot a doe ..... I would let so many go .... then the one year I had one 12 yards away just standing there broadside .... I kept thinkin .."gotta get one under your belt" ... she wouldn't move .... so I pulled back my bow and shot her .....it was sooooooo anti-climatic as it wasn't what I was hunting ...... I felt unemotional about it ... almost bad ..... wait for the deer you want ...... |
RE: Taking a fawn for the freezer?
I never understood the mentality of "getting that first kill under your belt" I've said it before.....you could build a Wal-Mart between "seeing/passing" on a deer and actually putting one on the ground. I waited and waited......"saw" and "passed".....and when the time came when I "thought" I was ready.....I found out I wasn't. There is NO substitute for putting a deer on the ground.....especially if you've never done it. I'd advise anyone who's never shot a deer with their bow to take one at the earliest opportunity. Find out what it entails....before the one that you really want slips through your grasp becasue you were ill-prepared. I am so thankfull for the up bring I've had,I really feel this demand we hear so much about getting youngters involved in hunting has lead to way to many people hunting that have no right to be in the woods trying to kill something that they have no respect for. "better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt". |
RE: Taking a fawn for the freezer?
ORIGINAL: Buckmaster519 I live in texas and i practice deer management to its fullest extent and im only 17 you people who shoot the fawns need to take a second and realize even though it aint a button its goin to grow up to produce bucks and the more young females you kill you are ruining your buck to doe ratio which will cripple your herd in years to come. Im not sayin immediately but down the road. I know it tastes good and you need the meat but what fun about shooting something that is not really aware of things yet. its like puttin a young pen raised doe in a pen and just dressin up and shootin it. its pointless. well theres my 2 cents ORIGINAL: Buckmaster519 "...... you people who shoot the fawns need to take a second and realize even though it aint a button its goin to grow up to produce bucks and the more young females you kill you are ruining your buck to doe ratio which will cripple your herd in years to come. Im not sayin immediately but down the road." ORIGINAL: Buckmaster519 Some does become sterile at an older age and why shoot a fawn that will most likely be perfectly capable in a few years to reproduce. But let's be honest here it's not really about the herd and the doe numbers because all of that was pretty much off this is the real reason you don't like killing the little ones.......... ORIGINAL: Buckmaster519 I know it tastes good and you need the meat but what fun about shooting something that is not really aware of things yet. its like puttin a young pen raised doe in a pen and just dressin up and shootin it. its pointless. |
RE: Taking a fawn for the freezer?
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Agreed on all points...and I'll add..... I don't even like waiting to kill them, really (read ANY doe). EVERY day that animal is alive.....it's eating (on average) 4 lbs of food. The quicker I take it out.....the more food that's left available for the rest of the herd (speaking STRICTLY for the woods "I" hunt). And again......if I choose to let her walk....not only is she possibly going to reproduce, but she stands a 50% chance of producing another doe fawn. I can't help but recall the Breck commercial where "and they'll tell two friends....and they'll tell two friends" makes me shudder (in terms of the breeding capabilities of these animals). I have no problems with those who choose NOT to take these animals.....but the people who don't need to understand 2 things: 1. it's perfectly legal to kill them for most of us. & 2. There's a legitimate reason why we take these age class deer....and we typically have bag limits/tags that refelect this. I've yet to see a man that shoots any of these deer in numbers come into a hunting forum and tout himself as a prolific hunter for doing so. If a man is proud of ANY deer killed, though....I'll congratulate him. |
RE: Taking a fawn for the freezer?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT NEW.... Agreed on all points...and I'll add..... I don't even like waiting to kill them, really (read ANY doe). EVERY day that animal is alive.....it's eating (on average) 4 lbs of food. The quicker I take it out.....the more food that's left available for the rest of the herd (speaking STRICTLY for the woods "I" hunt). And again......if I choose to let her walk....not only is she possibly going to reproduce, but she stands a 50% chance of producing another doe fawn. I can't help but recall the Breck commercial where "and they'll tell two friends....and they'll tell two friends" makes me shudder (in terms of the breeding capabilities of these animals). I have no problems with those who choose NOT to take these animals.....but the people who don't need to understand 2 things: 1. it's perfectly legal to kill them for most of us. & 2. There's a legitimate reason why we take these age class deer....and we typically have bag limits/tags that refelect this. I've yet to see a man that shoots any of these deer in numbers come into a hunting forum and tout himself as a prolific hunter for doing so. If a man is proud of ANY deer killed, though....I'll congratulate him. |
RE: Taking a fawn for the freezer?
Im genuinely sorry for my pointless critisizim. Im sorry to those i offended. And i didnt really mean in a few years i was just trying to make a point. And a lot of adult does do become steril.
But please forgive me i should have just said my opinion instead of tryin to get scientifcal lol. I was wrong to critisize your hunting methods compared to mine. Im sorry please forgive my blatent ignorance. Thanks Colten |
RE: Taking a fawn for the freezer?
MAtt (Rick James) also brought up an interesting point, yesterday, in another discussion.
He (and I) subscribe to the notion that when we take a deer out of our herd......we make room for (in that specific area) another deer to possibly move in and take its place (if the land will carry it). We stand a 50% chance of that deer being a buck.....AND....we know there's one less doe. |
RE: Taking a fawn for the freezer?
ORIGINAL: Buckmaster519 Im genuinely sorry for my pointless critisizim. Im sorry to those i offended. And i didnt really mean in a few years i was just trying to make a point. And a lot of adult does do become steril. But please forgive me i should have just said my opinion instead of tryin to get scientifcal lol. I was wrong to critisize your hunting methods compared to mine. Im sorry please forgive my blatent ignorance. Thanks Colten It truly is all good, don't even worry about it. I don't think you really offended anyone. Sometimes on these type forums it is easy to forget you are communicating with people all over the country/world and it is hard to imagine how different hunting can be from region to region or from person to person for that matter. You are a young guy and I wasn't trying to be too harsh or anyting all I can say is stick around the forums, there is a lot to learn on here for all of us, most of the time.;) P.S. Did you say scientifical?? :D |
RE: Taking a fawn for the freezer?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT I never understood the mentality of "getting that first kill under your belt" I've said it before.....you could build a Wal-Mart between "seeing/passing" on a deer and actually putting one on the ground. I waited and waited......"saw" and "passed".....and when the time came when I "thought" I was ready.....I found out I wasn't. There is NO substitute for putting a deer on the ground.....especially if you've never done it. I'd advise anyone who's never shot a deer with their bow to take one at the earliest opportunity. Find out what it entails....before the one that you really want slips through your grasp becasue you were ill-prepared. Like I said, if the kid WANTS to take a fawn for his first ..... GO FOR IT! I'll hoop and hollar with him!!! To take it to put the initial notch in your belt is disgusting to me ....  |
RE: Taking a fawn for the freezer?
I guess a lesser fawn can be the sacrificial lamb so he can be "ready" when the one he wants comes by :eek: What you or anyone else thinks about why "I" or anyone else takes a legal deer.....interests me not. |
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