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RE: Gray Wolf Woolens? What's the fuss all about?
ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: Rickmur ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer ORIGINAL: Rickmur I have some Enimga I'll trade for some Wolfskin;). Both are very exspensive  |
RE: Gray Wolf Woolens? What's the fuss all about?
ORIGINAL: Rickmur ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: Rickmur ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer ORIGINAL: Rickmur I have some Enimga I'll trade for some Wolfskin;). Both are very exspensive
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RE: Gray Wolf Woolens? What's the fuss all about?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver Whitehorn - actually, I did. I found out that "wolfskin" is really just polyester warp knit with a waterproof coating - the same thing that Cabela's or WhitewaterOutdoorspeddles everyday. I'd be willing to bet that 90% of us didn't know that before this whole conversation began. I showed you a $50 Predator camo coat made of the same "warp knit" (without the waterproofing). I'm just trolling the waters to see if I can figure out why his pants cost $189 (unlined with pockets) and mine cost $29.99 at Gander Mountain. A 600% jump in price is nothing to sneeze at. Warp Knit, Wolfskin the same thing?? Most likely, I don't know or care and certainly wouldn't make any unfounded claims... I'llsay it again,if you compare any GWW wolfskin garment to the range of 'technical' non cotton fabric garments, you'd find that the GWW garments are well within the pricerange, offered by the big box outfitters. The 'made to order'stuff is on the high side, but the returns and clearance items are much cheaper. Nothing unusual andcertainly shouldn't make you sneeze.Apples, to Apples.. ORIGINAL: quiksilver Conversely, we've heard from satisfied customers, like you, GregMO and WKPTodd. So, by way of review, we've heard: [ul][*]The Good[*]The Mixed Emotions[*]And the Ugly.[/ul] That, my friend, is as impartial as it gets. ORIGINAL: quiksilver In fact, I'm usually raging against the machine and pullingfor the little guy. |
RE: Gray Wolf Woolens? What's the fuss all about?
We … quickly entered the realm of absurd. Indeed we did. For a lot of reasons, but the following statement solidly placed us there: I’ve looked at their site, and honestly – the clothes look (emphasis mine) quite average… How this product looks, especially in a picture -- on a website at that – has got to be the worst reason I’ve yet seen used to calculate that product’s value to its customer base. A titanium nitride coated drill bit, doesn’t look[/b] any different than a regular Wal-Mart drill bit – but it will last on average six times longer than standard high-speed drill bits. But people serious about using drill bits understand the difference between price and cost. Likewise, the serious hunters that Gray Wolf Woolens caters to care about form, fit and function, period. The fact that these garments are offered in what many of the most hard-core of that population believe to be among the best camouflage patterns available is icing on the cake. And you will notice a difference when you actually wear it, not just look at it. Aside from that… Whitehorn correctly pointed outthe “apples and oranges” comparison to a mass merchant’s inventory; in case it wasn’t noticed, I’ll point one out , too. Perhaps this one could better be labeled a “bait and switch” tactic from you though. You ask our readers if they’ve ever seen this mythical Wolfskin, then imbed a picture of $329 wool pants. Unless someone is knowledgeable about GWW, or takes the time to do their due diligence, one wouldn’t realize that Wolfskin pants start at $149.95 – not twice the amount you posted without clarification. Now let’s really put our cognitive skills to work here, as you seem to love to do. Break down that $40 article of clothing you found at a mass merchant; someone paid to ship it overseas to get here AND STILL MADE A PROFIT! That means it was assembled using labor rates of … what? The current federal minimum wage of $6.55 an hour? You think? It takes between six and seven hours to cut out and sew a pair of GWW wolfskin pants. Now add in the cost of the raw material (two yards of fabric), overhead costs like an employee, sewing equipment, building rent, electricity, insurance, website, catalog printing, advertising, etc. Now after you add those all up, lets figure in just a little bit of profit so the owner can make a buck to stay in business, purchase more material and continue to provide a quality product to those who appreciate it. Do the math...now what do you think would be a better price for GWW products? You often laud the fact you like to help the “little man”… Do you realize that Gray Wolf Woolens is basically a one-man show? If you want to keep helping the larger companies that send their stuff to be made in China, go ahead; it’s called freedom of choice. GWW will NEVER be able to compete price-wise with Chinese-made clothing, and isn’t attempting to do so. But if you want a top-notch quality product where more of your money stays in the United States to help OUR economy, then GWW may be a good choice. Is custom sizing and fit important to everyone? Heck, no. These products aren’t made for everyone, and GWW isn’t trying to claim they are. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that they’re more comfortable to wear, are more colorfast, are better at resisting burring, and is about as waterproof as you can get without being labeled as such.I also appreciate being able toorder and wear a "medium-plus" pant, and not try to eithersqueeze into a medium or cinchupa large before walking through the Colorado mountains for twoweeks. As far as warp knit being warp knit, it’s not. I know for a fact that Predator and Cabela’s does not obtain their warp knit from the same supplier as GWW, and there is a difference. In fact, Predator currently carries three different versions of warp knit, and all possess differing qualities. Even after all that, there’ll be someone to come along and say something like this: That is nice, but I can kill a deer in a $100 suit. Sure you can. But why even spend the $100? We can kill deer in blue jeans and t-shirts. It’s because some want better options, and are willing to pay for it. Those who do will always appreciate a company like Gray Wolf Woolens and what it both stands for and offers. |
RE: Gray Wolf Woolens? What's the fuss all about?
That is nice, but I can kill a deer in a $100 suit. Sure you can. But why even spend the $100? We can kill deer in blue jeans and t-shirts. It’s because some want better options, and are willing to pay for it. Those who do will always appreciate a company like Gray Wolf Woolens and what it both stands for and offers. BTW don't ask what I spend on camo[8D] |
RE: Gray Wolf Woolens? What's the fuss all about?
Very well put Greg...
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RE: Gray Wolf Woolens? What's the fuss all about?
On one other topic I have been meaning to add, but keep forgetting. At anytime, Jeff is back-ordered anywhere between 30 days and 4 months (depending on time of year). I think that pretty much says it all. There are certain types of guys who want top of the line stuff and to be catered to like they are actually a valued customer. This is why Jeff can litterally never keep up!
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RE: Gray Wolf Woolens? What's the fuss all about?
ORIGINAL: Rickmur ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: Rickmur ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer ORIGINAL: Rickmur I have some Enimga I'll trade for some Wolfskin;). Both are very exspensive
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RE: Gray Wolf Woolens? What's the fuss all about?
Likewise, the serious hunters that Gray Wolf Woolens caters to care about form, fit and function, period. There are certain types of guys who want top of the line stuff and to be catered to like they are actually a valued customer. |
RE: Gray Wolf Woolens? What's the fuss all about?
Like Todd said, Jeff.. GWW's products are in such demand that he's backlogged anywhere from one to four months, at least; I've personally seen more. There's times I honestly don't even mention his company because I know how backed up he is with orders.
Do you think all those customers are getting"deals"? Or even most? The company wouldn't be in business if they were. |
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