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PreacherTony 08-10-2008 08:50 PM
RE: What's wrong with this POV?
 
ORIGINAL: LouisianaTomkat

mo·men·tum



1.
force or speed of movement; impetus, as of a physical object or course of events: The car gained momentum going downhill.
speedPhysics The rate or a measure of the rate of motion, especially:

Distance traveled divided by the time of travel.
[ol][/ol]

So can somebody explain why one is different from the other? I realize mass is involved to some degree.

LT

Speed is speed ... how fast something is going

Momentum is speed X Mass (weight)


get it?

TFOX 08-10-2008 08:52 PM
RE: What's wrong with this POV?
 
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

I'm usually one of the ones touting D&DH articles....but this recent issue has an article discussing the advantages to a heavy hunting arrow....and the author says this:

"But really, all you need to know about momentum is that, all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum. Putting it another way, it is more difficult to stop a heavy arrow, which means it will penetrate more deeply".

If you're touting heavy arrows over lighter arrows.....what's wrong with these statements?
The quote is absolutely true and accurate ........ am I missing something? What is the issue???
Yes,the statement is absolutely 100% correct.The problem is that the average deer hunter doesn't have 3 or 4 bows shooting different arrow weights at the same speed.AND,some of us are not capable of shooting heavy arrows at the same speed as a light one because we are not able to pull the heavier poundage or the more aggresive cam styles that allow that to happen.

So Jeff saying it is misleading is true,no where did he say it was inaccurate.

If he is wanting to tout the advantages of momentum,he really should mention that even out of the same bow that the heavy arrow will have more momentum and penetrate better than the light arrow through bone.Regardless of the speed of the 2 arrows.

PreacherTony 08-10-2008 08:52 PM
RE: What's wrong with this POV?
 
"But really, all you need to know about momentum is that, all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum. Putting it another way, it is more difficult to stop a heavy arrow, which means it will penetrate more deeply".

That is as simple as it gets, Jeff .... I think you need sleep [8D]

Rob/PA Bowyer 08-10-2008 08:53 PM
RE: What's wrong with this POV?
 
ORIGINAL: GMMAT

So for "all things to be equal".....we have to use DIFFERENT draw weights OR a DIFFERENT bow.

Makes sense....:D
Why does it have to involve different draw weights or different bows?

"But really, all you need to know about momentum is that, all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum.

Could use a vw vs a HumV.
A golf ball vs a bowling ball.
BigJ vs WH....

Heavier vs lighter....all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum.

PreacherTony 08-10-2008 08:54 PM
RE: What's wrong with this POV?
 
ORIGINAL: TFOX

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

I'm usually one of the ones touting D&DH articles....but this recent issue has an article discussing the advantages to a heavy hunting arrow....and the author says this:

"But really, all you need to know about momentum is that, all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum. Putting it another way, it is more difficult to stop a heavy arrow, which means it will penetrate more deeply".

If you're touting heavy arrows over lighter arrows.....what's wrong with these statements?
The quote is absolutely true and accurate ........ am I missing something? What is the issue???
Yes,the statement is absolutely 100% correct.The problem is that the average deer hunter doesn't have 3 or 4 bows shooting different arrow weights at the same speed.AND,some of us are not capable of shooting heavy arrows at the same speed as a light one because we are not able to pull the heavier poundage or the more aggresive cam styles that allow that to happen.

So Jeff saying it is misleading is true,no where did he say it was inaccurate.

If he is wanting to tout the advantages of momentum,he really should mention that even out of the same bow that the heavy arrow will have more momentum and penetrate better than the light arrow through bone.Regardless of the speed of the 2 arrows.

LOTS of assuming there, T ........... and you know what they say about assuming ...

Rob/PA Bowyer 08-10-2008 08:55 PM
RE: What's wrong with this POV?
 
ORIGINAL: TFOX

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

I'm usually one of the ones touting D&DH articles....but this recent issue has an article discussing the advantages to a heavy hunting arrow....and the author says this:

"But really, all you need to know about momentum is that, all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum. Putting it another way, it is more difficult to stop a heavy arrow, which means it will penetrate more deeply".

If you're touting heavy arrows over lighter arrows.....what's wrong with these statements?
The quote is absolutely true and accurate ........ am I missing something? What is the issue???
Yes,the statement is absolutely 100% correct.The problem is that the average deer hunter doesn't have 3 or 4 bows shooting different arrow weights at the same speed.AND,some of us are not capable of shooting heavy arrows at the same speed as a light one because we are not able to pull the heavier poundage or the more aggresive cam styles that allow that to happen.

So Jeff saying it is misleading is true,no where did he say it was inaccurate.

If he is wanting to tout the advantages of momentum,he really should mention that even out of the same bow that the heavy arrow will have more momentum and penetrate better than the light arrow through bone.Regardless of the speed of the 2 arrows.
Read post # 44

TFOX 08-10-2008 08:55 PM
RE: What's wrong with this POV?
 
Again,the statement is true,no one is saying different but it is a bit misleading in archery,2 arrow do not travel the same speed of different weight,WHEN ALL THINGS ARE EQUALL.[8D]

GMMAT 08-10-2008 08:56 PM
RE: What's wrong with this POV?
 
WHat he's doing is touting ONLY the advantageous characteristics of the heavier arrow.....WITHOUT acknowledging the FACT that the same bow (at the same draw weight.....MY interpretation of "all things being equal"...) would propel the lighter arrow at greater speeds.

At some point there becomes a point of diminishing returns RE: the heavier arrow.

Of course the law he references is correct. But, is it misleading to the average hunter/reader.

I just stated that I think it is.

TFOX 08-10-2008 08:57 PM
RE: What's wrong with this POV?
 
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

ORIGINAL: TFOX

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

I'm usually one of the ones touting D&DH articles....but this recent issue has an article discussing the advantages to a heavy hunting arrow....and the author says this:

"But really, all you need to know about momentum is that, all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum. Putting it another way, it is more difficult to stop a heavy arrow, which means it will penetrate more deeply".

If you're touting heavy arrows over lighter arrows.....what's wrong with these statements?
The quote is absolutely true and accurate ........ am I missing something? What is the issue???
Yes,the statement is absolutely 100% correct.The problem is that the average deer hunter doesn't have 3 or 4 bows shooting different arrow weights at the same speed.AND,some of us are not capable of shooting heavy arrows at the same speed as a light one because we are not able to pull the heavier poundage or the more aggresive cam styles that allow that to happen.

So Jeff saying it is misleading is true,no where did he say it was inaccurate.

If he is wanting to tout the advantages of momentum,he really should mention that even out of the same bow that the heavy arrow will have more momentum and penetrate better than the light arrow through bone.Regardless of the speed of the 2 arrows.

LOTS of assuming there, T ........... and you know what they say about assuming ...
Where is the assumption?

PreacherTony 08-10-2008 08:57 PM
RE: What's wrong with this POV?
 
ORIGINAL: TFOX

Again,the statement is true,no one is saying different but it is a bit misleading in archery,2 arrow do not travel the same speed of different weight,WHEN ALL THINGS ARE EQUALL.[8D]





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