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bingo why is it ok to bait a deer with corn cemeere deer. and not do so with in a 5000 acre fenced area.
In a 5000 acre area not sure how the fence would matter.

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Now i would hunt a place where they had 5000 acres used a fence to do the best they can to keep deer with good genetics in and deer with bad genetics out.

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So people can charge money to other people who find them desireable?

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ORIGINAL: quiksilver

I really don't see anything wrong with it. Let's face it:this canned deer hunt isn't going to be a life-altering event that leads the child into a downward spiral of drugs, prostitution and welfare. It's a deer hunt for chrissakes. He goes out and shoots a deer. So what? Maybe it's half-tame. Maybe it's not the "ideal" set of circumstances. Rarely in life are circumstances truly "ideal." Let's be real here.

Look at it for what it is: A chance to go hang out with the boy and maybe bond a little bit. Maybe he gets one, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he backs off the trigger at the last second. Maybe he gets there and realizes right away that it's not for him.

Making your own decisions is part of becoming an adult. By putting him in a situation to make a decision and live with it - you're giving him an opportunity to grow as a human.

For the sake of argument, let's say thathe shootsa deer inside the pen, then feels a little bit of remorse about it later. This willeither re-affirm his zeal and desire to hunt truly "wild" game in the future. At worst, he may discover that hunting isn't for him.That's his decision to make.

In sum, I don't think it will "make or break" him as a hunter. I think it will give him an opportunity to make his own choice as an independent adultand live with it. It will give him the opportunity to experience compassion for his quarry and maybe open his eyes to the brutal beauty ofour game. Hunting isn't all butterflies and rainbows, whether it's inside a fence or 100% fair chase. Part of being a hunter, and more importantly, an adult, is making your own choices with regard to setting a heading on your own moral compass. As a father and a guide, you can present the opportunity to find himself as a man and a hunter.

All too often, hunters make a consciencious effort to try to get their family "into hunting"by putting them in a position to have a good time.Sooner or later, the honeymoon ends, andFather Time puts these people in a position where they fail. In hunting, you fail more often than you succeed. Some people just can't swallow failure, or lack the discipline to put in the actual effort necessary,so they just throw in the towel. I don't agree with that at all. I think you're setting them up for failure. Let people make their own decisions.

You've said it before - hunting is very personal - and I agree 100%. Let him make the call.

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who are you to say what is moral right ethical or good.

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heck one day having black slaves was the right thing moral and ok. but not know.

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i meant when deer have 5000 acres to roam around there not in a small area where you say hey can i shoot that one.

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genetics is a big part of hunting if you see a buck with bad antlers year after year you kill him
if you spend thousands growing big deer you want to keep deer that are not big do not have big antlers out. be it a fence or shooting those deer.

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horn porn 90% of you anti fence guys care only for the rack on the deer. I hear people say i hate high fence opts. only reason you hunt one is for a big buck.
Alot of you guys hunt for bucks only even in public land

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ORIGINAL: Big Duane

because its my hunting heritage, my hunting future and more importantly my son's that's being attacked and high fenced shooting is fuel for anti-hunters and non-hunters that's why

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ORIGINAL: Big Duane

because its my hunting heritage, my hunting future and more importantly my son's that's being attacked and high fenced shooting is fuel for anti-hunters and non-hunters that's why

thats right, when the people who said it wasn't right didn't allow those who thought it was to do whatever they wanted ! they stepped in, said what was right and wrong and changed things to the way they're suppose to be

thank God they did too


why is the fence there ? the truthful answer is to take away the fair chase, to better ensure a kill and for big horns

none of that is hunting

you don't know what hunting is - what you just described is big antler deer farming


hunting mature bucks is one thing, when you build fences, alter genetics, breed bucks etc ....... good gawd surely you can see the difference ?

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ORIGINAL: GMMAT

One man's baiting is another man's HF hunting.

Kill 'em all.....and let God sort 'em out.;)

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ORIGINAL: bigcountry

I live in anti-hunter heaven, and haven't seen any legistlation be affected by high fense operation.

I don't like high fence stuff, but I just don't like it when people are so open to try to legistlate somebody to be a "good person". In other words, I see nothing but bad things happen when cars go over 70MPH on open highways, so in your logic, limit every car to 75MPH or whatever the limit on roads are in the region. My logic is, I want the freedom to make a slimey spot of myself on my motorcycle at 140MPH. Brad, you can't make people be good people or what you want or what you consider to be a good person.

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Taking a kid to a high fence so he can find out what's it's like to hunt is like taking him to a brothel to find out what women are like.;)

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