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RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
ORIGINAL: rybohunter Proper age structure for the way a deer herd is meant to me made up. (numbers just guessed, may not be exactly correct) Which seems more healthy to you? 50% 1.5's 30% 2.5's 10% 3.5's 10% 4.5+ 85% 1.5's 10% 2.5's 5% 3.5+ |
RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
ORIGINAL: rybohunter I'm sure the age structure of the does is just fine, since we don't attpempt to shoot 80% of the existing does each season. |
RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
I loathe them in Pennsylvania. I never have been, nor never will be hung up on antler size. PA has had point restrictions for several years. Upon initial discussion, I honestly didn't think they would affect my own hunting and almost didn't care one way or the other if the regulation was passed. Now, I can see that I was wrong. During the same period as the antler restriction inaugauration, Pennsylvania's game commission went on a crusade to reduce the deer population, under the pretense of increasing the average antler size. Funny now, how I don't see the bigger bucks, let alone the number of deer that I once did. (Formerly, if I so much as bumped a deer heading in or coming out in the dark I considered myself lucky. I neverdid see the "herds" of deerthat the game commission claimed. Last season, I went 15 days straight without ANY encounter or sighting to even know whitetails still existed.) The bucks that I do see are smaller than before, and I feel like such an @ss staring at one throught binoculars at 5 or 10 yds trying to count their points and make sure they are all an inch long. I don't care what it is. After 20 yrs of hunting, I'd still be thrilled to shoot it! But, I abide them, and ifI can't be certain, I let them walk, albeit shaking my head in disgust the entire time...
I don't see what theso called "QDM" buzzis about. WHAT is the point of shooting a deer with large antlers if ALL the deer have been cultivated to produce such? Where's the trophy?!!! Even if some hunters only want to kill "big" deer, "big" is still relative to the region. |
RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: mez Who am I to tell someone how they can or can't enjoy deer hunting so I will have a chance at a bigger deer. As far as AR go, I personally think it's the very best thing the PGC has done in aLONG time! I'm seeing more bigger bucks than ever before, no doubt.This gives our bucks a chance to live past 1 1/2.:DWhat needs to happen now,is for them to "close" antlerlessseason in some "counties", andlower the number of available tags in others. This doe situation needs a lot more attention than it's getting. It seems to be too across the board/broad. Attention needs to be paidmore onspecific area's. Counties, not whole WMU's.JMHO |
RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
Ok Guys ....... lets talk about WHY AR's are needed ...... let's be honest here ....
1. Increase in anler size and age of bucks 2. Help balance buck/doe ratio - this is only true if the doe permits are handled properly anything else??? |
RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
NOPE! Thank you Preach for summarizing this entire thread. You hit the nail on the head. Lets all say a prayer for PA.
Preach thank you for restoring order :) you may want to take a look at the exterminator thread. Some may need some order, including myself soon[:@] |
RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
ORIGINAL: PABuckbuster12 NOPE! Thank you Preach for summarizing this entire thread. You hit the nail on the head. Lets all say a prayer for PA. Preach thank you for restoring order :) you may want to take a look at the exterminator thread. Some may need some order, including myself soon[:@] |
RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: Germ Jim have you read the book "Deer Wars"? For the black top dwellers in Armstrong county ,and below ,kill them all,bait them, poision them,but some of us farmers like a few around for entertainment. Maybe a poll from land owners would be more accurate as to how we feel.:eek: |
RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
ORIGINAL: AK in PA I loathe them in Pennsylvania. I never have been, nor never will be hung up on antler size. PA has had point restrictions for several years. Upon initial discussion, I honestly didn't think they would affect my own hunting and almost didn't care one way or the other if the regulation was passed. Now, I can see that I was wrong. During the same period as the antler restriction inaugauration, Pennsylvania's game commission went on a crusade to reduce the deer population, under the pretense of increasing the average antler size. Funny now, how I don't see the bigger bucks, let alone the number of deer that I once did. (Formerly, if I so much as bumped a deer heading in or coming out in the dark I considered myself lucky. I neverdid see the "herds" of deerthat the game commission claimed. Last season, I went 15 days straight without ANY encounter or sighting to even know whitetails still existed.) The bucks that I do see are smaller than before, and I feel like such an @ss staring at one throught binoculars at 5 or 10 yds trying to count their points and make sure they are all an inch long. I don't care what it is. After 20 yrs of hunting, I'd still be thrilled to shoot it! But, I abide them, and ifI can't be certain, I let them walk, albeit shaking my head in disgust the entire time... I don't see what theso called "QDM" buzzis about. WHAT is the point of shooting a deer with large antlers if ALL the deer have been cultivated to produce such? Where's the trophy?!!! Even if some hunters only want to kill "big" deer, "big" is still relative to the region. |
RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
ORIGINAL: bawanajim ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: Germ Jim have you read the book "Deer Wars"? how far from Buffalo do you live, Jim? |
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